UK approves Pfizer jab for use in 12-15-year-olds
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NRS said:
unident said:
So much irony about me being unscientific.
Give a reply then pointing out the holes and why I'm wrong. That's how science works... unident said:
NRS said:
And an additional point - your comment about if we view it as an acceptable risk that some older people will die due to covid infections from unjabbed people (less than 25% now) jab being compared to Aktion T4... Well, if for example you've not been taking flu jabs every winter through your life you've been doing exactly that same Aktion T4 - you've been a selfish b
d who didn't get jabbed and is partly implicit in 30 000 lives being lost each year on average by not doing your part in saving any life possible.
If this was through lack of knowledge you know now, so given you think people not taking the jab now despite the death rate being very small due to those at risk people being jabbed is on the level of Aktion T4 you'll presumably get the flu jab to do your part in saving those 30k? If not then you're not being very logical.
I must have missed the current and annual flu pandemics. d who didn't get jabbed and is partly implicit in 30 000 lives being lost each year on average by not doing your part in saving any life possible.If this was through lack of knowledge you know now, so given you think people not taking the jab now despite the death rate being very small due to those at risk people being jabbed is on the level of Aktion T4 you'll presumably get the flu jab to do your part in saving those 30k? If not then you're not being very logical.
Edited by NRS on Thursday 10th June 00:14
Or are you a vaccine skeptic and don't believe the vaccines will have helped the at-risk group?
TV8 said:
unident said:
So much irony about me being unscientific.
To be fair to unident the 77th Brigade looks for other qualities in their recruiting. https://www.army.mod.uk/who-we-are/formations-divi...You're not looking at the points being made, and just group any discussion = tin foil hat frothing anti-vaxxer, which is not the case. As I said, I was very pissed off about the AZ being banned in Norway and some other countries, until the experts in the field have clearly agreed it is a bigger risk. Why do you have more expertise than them?
soofsayer said:
NRS said:
unident said:
So much irony about me being unscientific.
Give a reply then pointing out the holes and why I'm wrong. That's how science works... NRS said:
soofsayer said:
NRS said:
unident said:
So much irony about me being unscientific.
Give a reply then pointing out the holes and why I'm wrong. That's how science works... unident said:
I’ll give it a miss thanks. I’m sore I can find something useful to do with 90minites of my life than listen to something that’s clearly more conspiracy nonsense.
Conspiracy nonsense??!!! You have well and truly drunk the cool aid, like so many have, and that is why we are are where we are.
It is hardly conspiracy theory, they are simply discussing the gene therapy and where we are in relation to giving it to children.
The only real conspiracy theory is the pandemic and the vaccines.
You are happy to take an experimental gene therapy, also give it to children, one that will change you forever, but you won't give up 90 minutes of time to watch a video?
Now just to be straight, that video probably won't change your mind, I didn't mean it to do so, I just thought you may find it interesting, however, your reply pretty much sums up just how controllable, how uneducated and how insular thinking the majority are, and why the governments will be able to do whatever they want. Scary.
gizlaroc said:
unident said:
I’ll give it a miss thanks. I’m sore I can find something useful to do with 90minites of my life than listen to something that’s clearly more conspiracy nonsense.
Conspiracy nonsense??!!! You have well and truly drunk the cool aid, like so many have, and that is why we are are where we are.
It is hardly conspiracy theory, they are simply discussing the gene therapy and where we are in relation to giving it to children.
The only real conspiracy theory is the pandemic and the vaccines.
You are happy to take an experimental gene therapy, also give it to children, one that will change you forever, but you won't give up 90 minutes of time to watch a video?
Now just to be straight, that video probably won't change your mind, I didn't mean it to do so, I just thought you may find it interesting, however, your reply pretty much sums up just how controllable, how uneducated and how insular thinking the majority are, and why the governments will be able to do whatever they want. Scary.
gizlaroc said:
Conspiracy nonsense??!!!
You have well and truly drunk the cool aid, like so many have, and that is why we are are where we are.
It is hardly conspiracy theory, they are simply discussing the gene therapy and where we are in relation to giving it to children.
The only real conspiracy theory is the pandemic and the vaccines.
You are happy to take an experimental gene therapy, also give it to children, one that will change you forever, but you won't give up 90 minutes of time to watch a video?
Now just to be straight, that video probably won't change your mind, I didn't mean it to do so, I just thought you may find it interesting, however, your reply pretty much sums up just how controllable, how uneducated and how insular thinking the majority are, and why the governments will be able to do whatever they want. Scary.
“Change me forever” it’s comments like that, that make it obvious that you’re definitely off the scale when it comes to lunatic conspiracy theories. You have well and truly drunk the cool aid, like so many have, and that is why we are are where we are.
It is hardly conspiracy theory, they are simply discussing the gene therapy and where we are in relation to giving it to children.
The only real conspiracy theory is the pandemic and the vaccines.
You are happy to take an experimental gene therapy, also give it to children, one that will change you forever, but you won't give up 90 minutes of time to watch a video?
Now just to be straight, that video probably won't change your mind, I didn't mean it to do so, I just thought you may find it interesting, however, your reply pretty much sums up just how controllable, how uneducated and how insular thinking the majority are, and why the governments will be able to do whatever they want. Scary.
J.. said:
It can effect children though. I know of one that was critically ill in hospital last year. My niece is also struggling with side effects many months after.
I read yesterday 10 children in Scotland in hospital.......
I noticed no-one picked up on this fake news. The Scottish executive's newly appointed Health Secretary Humza Yousaf (the same incompetent prat who when he was Transport Secretary got caught driving without insurance) was talking arse when he said this and has since corrected the record.I read yesterday 10 children in Scotland in hospital.......
unident said:
“Change me forever” it’s comments like that, that make it obvious that you’re definitely off the scale when it comes to lunatic conspiracy theories.
You genuinely don't understand what mRNA gene therapy is do you? You have spent hours on here, why wouldn't you watch a video for 90 minutes discussing this new experimental technology that they are trialling?
Especially if you are considering taking part in it yourself.
There is nothing scary in that video, it is not meant to be something to stop you taking it, it is just discussing the benefits and what we need to be cautious of and the risk vs reward of taking it, especially in giving it to children who are not at risk from this virus.
It is just a really informative video that would answer a lot of the questions in this thread.
NRS said:
Give a reply then pointing out the holes and why I'm wrong. That's how science works...
Let’s have a look at your 4 points:1. Why is it an either / or situation. It’s quite possible to inoculate all our population and donate millions of spare vaccines to the rest of the world.
2. You’ve decided it’s a test, because it’s received emergency approval. That doesn’t make it a test.
3. AZ has not been stopped. It might have been where you live, but it’s still being used around the world. It might have been scaled back on the younger population, but as this thread isn’t about the AZ vaccine being approved for youngsters it’s completely irrelevant. Are people dropping dead all over the world due to these vaccines?
4. You’re right that Pfizer are making a profit, the other companies have promised to waive theirs. I don’t have a problem with companies making a profit. I’m not a communist
If you want long term data then you have to wait for the period that you define as long term, which for some reason nobody wants to. I get the impression that whatever data is gathered it will never be enough for some.
gizlaroc said:
Conspiracy nonsense??!!!
You have well and truly drunk the cool aid, like so many have, and that is why we are are where we are.
It is hardly conspiracy theory, they are simply discussing the gene therapy and where we are in relation to giving it to children.
The only real conspiracy theory is the pandemic and the vaccines.
You are happy to take an experimental gene therapy, also give it to children, one that will change you forever, but you won't give up 90 minutes of time to watch a video?
Now just to be straight, that video probably won't change your mind, I didn't mean it to do so, I just thought you may find it interesting, however, your reply pretty much sums up just how controllable, how uneducated and how insular thinking the majority are, and why the governments will be able to do whatever they want. Scary.
Sadly, this is the most accurate sentence in the entire thread IMO.You have well and truly drunk the cool aid, like so many have, and that is why we are are where we are.
It is hardly conspiracy theory, they are simply discussing the gene therapy and where we are in relation to giving it to children.
The only real conspiracy theory is the pandemic and the vaccines.
You are happy to take an experimental gene therapy, also give it to children, one that will change you forever, but you won't give up 90 minutes of time to watch a video?
Now just to be straight, that video probably won't change your mind, I didn't mean it to do so, I just thought you may find it interesting, however, your reply pretty much sums up just how controllable, how uneducated and how insular thinking the majority are, and why the governments will be able to do whatever they want. Scary.
unident said:
2. You’ve decided it’s a test, because it’s received emergency approval. That doesn’t make it a test.
If you want long term data then you have to wait for the period that you define as long term, which for some reason nobody wants to. I get the impression that whatever data is gathered it will never be enough for some.
If you look back through the history of mRNA technology you will see they thought they had it right back in 2003 when the first trials started. However, what they found was that the dosages needed for medication, which is what the tech was originally developed for, was needed in too high a dose for it to be safe, we had all the symptoms we are seeing today but on a far higher percentage of subjects. If you want long term data then you have to wait for the period that you define as long term, which for some reason nobody wants to. I get the impression that whatever data is gathered it will never be enough for some.
Over the next few years they tried to tweak it to become safe enough to use, but failed every time. They nearly gave up with it, however, after pumping billions into it they decided to recoup some of the money rather than use it as a medication, for treating illnesses, they could possibly use it as a vaccine where the dosage could be much lower. They moved to vaccine development and started trials again.
The issue they had with these trials was, although initially the results were exactly what they were hoping for, with the test subjects managing to fight off the viruses put in front of them, when they were put in front of a similar virus the problems started.
mRNA vaccines are given in the upper arm muscle. Once the instructions (mRNA) are inside the immune cells, the cells use them to make the protein piece. After the protein piece is made, the cell breaks down the instructions and gets rid of them.
Next, the cell displays the protein piece on its surface. Our immune systems recognize that the protein doesn’t belong there and begin building an immune response and making antibodies, like what happens in natural infection against COVID-19.
At the end of the process, our bodies have learned how to protect against future infection. The benefit of mRNA vaccines, like all vaccines, is those vaccinated gain this protection without ever having to risk the serious consequences of getting sick with COVID-19.
The issue was that the protein pieces were not being broken down, they were remaining in the host, not only were they remaining they were found all over the host, in the spleen, ovaries, kidneys, lungs etc. etc. months and months later.
This is a problem because when the body receives a new virus a year or two later the body does what the body does and launches an immune response and kills the virus, however, what was happening is it then saw the foreign spike protein all over the body and started to attack the body too, and they were left with organ failure and death. Basically natural auto immune system was killing them.
The had numerous trials and they same thing happened time and time again, there was a couple of exceptions, a rabies trial and something else, where really low doses were given, problem was the doses were so low they were not affective and they still had some issues with organs failing at a later date too.
That took us up to 2017.
Then Covid arrived.
This is when emergency usage was put into place, we trialled the adverse reactions on 40000 people over a 90 day period and this was deemed safe, we pretty much knew this already from the previous years or testing, and so we started to jab every one.
However, we still don't know how anyone is going to react to other viruses in the next year or two, hence why the official trial ends in 2023, 36 months should give us an idea of how things are going.
What isn't great, is they have started doing autopsies on those that died after the vaccine and once again they are finding the spike protein has not stayed local to the injection site and is all over the body, in the spleen, ovaries, liver, kidneys, lungs.....everywhere.
This really isn't what we wanted to see.
We will know over the next couple of years how many people's auto immune system copes with this and how many people's simply doesn't, but to say this is not experimental is simply not true.
It is the epitome of a test, we are the test subjects, we just don't know the results yet.
soofsayer said:
It’s not about kids getting sick from covid or long covid, it’s about old white men feeling better about their fears and anxieties about covid.
It's turned in to a money spinner for big pharma! 3 jabs a year for god knows how long would be perfect for them! Doesn't even matter if you've already had covid, just keep getting jabbed!
Slagathore said:
soofsayer said:
It’s not about kids getting sick from covid or long covid, it’s about old white men feeling better about their fears and anxieties about covid.
It's turned in to a money spinner for big pharma! 3 jabs a year for god knows how long would be perfect for them! Doesn't even matter if you've already had covid, just keep getting jabbed!
Or how much money big tech like Amazon makes the longer a portion of the public are scared to go out. When you consider big tech owns so much media these days it benefits them to highlight new variants etc as long as they can. Bezos owns the Washington post and Verizon owns yahoo news etc. The longer people are scared, the longer they stay in and work remotely. Its not just online shopping, its also billions spent by government and private sector on WFH technologies like VPN's and accelerated spend on cloud.
Covid now is now becoming just a scheme to transfer wealth and government to use to push agendas.
unident said:
Don’t forget the massive boost to sales of tinfoil.
People have made a ton of money investing during Covid both directly and indirectly. In that group are most senior politicians and their friends/families both in UK and US. In reality Covid has made the rich richer and so called "stimulus" money to help normal people will be eaten up by higher taxes and inflation in the future. You are naive in the extreme if you think this is about "saving people" anymore. This is something sold to and carried like a torch by do-gooders who have no clue about the financials and wealth that has been made during Covid. Arguing about some vaccine and its effectiveness or BS infection rates is now just a sideshow to continue the sales pitch for more vaccines etc. Kids do not need a vaccine.
People need to look at who is financially benefitting from all this and what policies the government are going to slide in unchallenged using Covid as a smokescreen.
Similar to WMD as a pretense to invade Iraq.
Edited by blackrabbit on Thursday 10th June 11:33
blackrabbit said:
Don't forget the money going to companies like Capita/IBM on "vaccine app" POC's and integration efforts.
Or how much money big tech like Amazon makes the longer a portion of the public are scared to go out. When you consider big tech owns so much media these days it benefits them to highlight new variants etc as long as they can. Bezos owns the Washington post and Verizon owns yahoo news etc. The longer people are scared, the longer they stay in and work remotely. Its not just online shopping, its also billions spent by government and private sector on WFH technologies like VPN's and accelerated spend on cloud.
Covid now is now becoming just a scheme to transfer wealth and government to use to push agendas.
Yep. There's seems to be a blind obsession with big tech advances to save us and make everything better etc. it actually appears the opposite, big tech, media and social media have done far more damage throughout. Or how much money big tech like Amazon makes the longer a portion of the public are scared to go out. When you consider big tech owns so much media these days it benefits them to highlight new variants etc as long as they can. Bezos owns the Washington post and Verizon owns yahoo news etc. The longer people are scared, the longer they stay in and work remotely. Its not just online shopping, its also billions spent by government and private sector on WFH technologies like VPN's and accelerated spend on cloud.
Covid now is now becoming just a scheme to transfer wealth and government to use to push agendas.
As you point out, a lot of people are making a lot of money here, and they are, naturally, conflicted.
There is no incentive, whatsoever, for some, for this to ever be over. It is plain as day to see that.
If people think big pharma wouldn't put profit ahead of safety, then you just have history to refer to.
unident said:
Slagathore said:
It's turned in to a money spinner for big pharma! 3 jabs a year for god knows how long would be perfect for them!
Doesn't even matter if you've already had covid, just keep getting jabbed!
Companies making profits. Whatever next? Utter disgrace.Doesn't even matter if you've already had covid, just keep getting jabbed!
Ivermectin is a cheap and readily available drug that has been proven to be very effective and yet it's use is blocked and doubt cast wherever possible. The politicisation of it has frustrated a lot of respected people in medicine. Search for Tess Lawrie.
https://twitter.com/drsamuelwhite_/status/14009028...
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