UK approves Pfizer jab for use in 12-15-year-olds

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scottyp123 said:

I have absolutely no idea

Yup.

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gizlaroc said:

It was posted on Twitter from Italian press speaking to Milan's Cheif Medic...

It has been confirmed that Danish international soccer star, #christianeriksen had the Pfizer jab 12 days ago on 31st May. Cardiologists believe Eriksen is likely to be suffering from heart inflammation post vaccination

That phrase has been tweeted twice. Just twice. https://twitter.com/search?q=Cardiologists%20belie...

One is a copy of the other.

The legalleaks tweet, which is the source of your ste, is this one https://twitter.com/LeaksLegal/status/140380324977...

The person that account is quote retweeting has deleted the tweet that prompted the legalleaks jump on https://twitter.com/lumidek/status/140381440526405...

"I deleted the massively viewed tweet because Radio Sportiva's Twitter account posted a denial of that information on their radio and my source could have been untrue, I am just unsure enough."


It appears highly unclear if he was vaccinated, the Danish manager was complaining a couple of days ago about the lack of vaccinations, and there is a clip of president of his club saying he was not vaccinated.


When will people stop taking what they read on social media as 100% truth just because a few accounts share it?

There is enough easily findable doubt in what you posted - are you thick, lazy or just keen to spread misinformation?

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robuk said:

When will people stop taking what they read on social media as 100% truth just because a few accounts share it?

Hold on a minute, there were loads of reports coming in saying the same thing. I even put the tweet in a search and it came up from loads of sources, and some pretty official accounts.

I simply replied what had been tweeted.


I then went off to find the info from the radio station and couldn't so I deleted it. You must have then quoted what I put while I was trying to find info.

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unident said:

scottyp123 said:

Has he been vaccinated though? I've no idea. If he has when was it done, sports stars put their body through all sorts of abuse daily and its a very rare event for one of them to suffer a problem like this, you just never hear of it. But there are several stories of people keeling over after having the vaccine, that's not a conspiracy theory its even been caught on camera.

I have absolutely no idea what has happened to him or indeed anything about him but if it turns out he has had a reaction to the vaccine then that is the vaccine roll out finished for good, they might as well pack up the needles and burn them.

So no overreaction there then just a complete set of assumptions leading to a doomsday scenario for the vaccines.

You are aware that sportspeople have suffered major events previously? Or are you choosing to ignore that to suit your narrative.

Once again very poor form to try to use this event to push your own tinfoil hat drivel.

Yes there are two people that I know of in my lifetime that its happened to, vivien fo and muamba if thats how you spell them. As I said incredibly rare events, this is even going back to a time in the 80's where most footballers we either pissheads or liked a bit of charlie and they still slogged their guts out for 90 minutes without any problem.

I'm not saying a vaccine has definitely done this to him but its not impossible it has and whilst its not impossible then its possible. The first think I would want to know is has he actually had the vaccine or not before jumping to any conclusions, if I was in two minds about getting the vaccine after seeing this I would be holding fire until I know for certain, I don't see whats wrong with taking that stance.

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scottyp123 said:

Yes there are two people that I know of in my lifetime that its happened to, vivien fo and muamba if thats how you spell them. As I said incredibly rare events, this is even going back to a time in the 80's where most footballers we either pissheads or liked a bit of charlie and they still slogged their guts out for 90 minutes without any problem.

I'm not saying a vaccine has definitely done this to him but its not impossible it has and whilst its not impossible then its possible. The first think I would want to know is has he actually had the vaccine or not before jumping to any conclusions, if I was in two minds about getting the vaccine after seeing this I would be holding fire until I know for certain, I don't see whats wrong with taking that stance.

You’re twisting this to suit what you want it to mean.

1. We don’t know if he’d had the vaccine. You even admit that.
2. If he has had it, we don’t know which vaccine he has had
3. The two players you’ve mentioned definitely didn’t have the vaccine
4. Heart attacks, or other serious medical conditions in athletes are far more common than you want to know

You are massively overplaying things. Your comment about “the vaccine being finished for good …………pack up the needles and burn them is pathetic.

It is possible that the vaccine caused this, it’s possible that a Russian agent did it too. It’s highly improbable and that’s the key here. Possible vs probable and you seem unable to differentiate them. I’ll guarantee you won’t change he your stance if there’s no vaccine connection though.

scottyp123 said:

Has he been vaccinated though? I've no idea. If he has when was it done, sports stars put their body through all sorts of abuse daily and its a very rare event for one of them to suffer a problem like this, you just never hear of it. But there are several stories of people keeling over after having the vaccine, that's not a conspiracy theory its even been caught on camera.

I have absolutely no idea what has happened to him or indeed anything about him but if it turns out he has had a reaction to the vaccine then that is the vaccine roll out finished for good, they might as well pack up the needles and burn them.

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If there is one thing this thread highlights its that the Internet is full of st and some people will believe and regurgitate what they want without consequence. No need to think about what you're writing, no need to present any qualifications - just throw enough st and see what sticks. Act like an expert and there'll be a following of fellow stupids before you know it, all nodding in agreement.

Jesus fking titty sucking, Christ.

Have a nice day

[Oakey]

scottyp123 said:

Has he been vaccinated though? I've no idea. If he has when was it done, sports stars put their body through all sorts of abuse daily and its a very rare event for one of them to suffer a problem like this, you just never hear of it. But there are several stories of people keeling over after having the vaccine, that's not a conspiracy theory its even been caught on camera.

I have absolutely no idea what has happened to him or indeed anything about him but if it turns out he has had a reaction to the vaccine then that is the vaccine roll out finished for good, they might as well pack up the needles and burn them.

Except that time Fabrice Muamba suffered a heart attack back in 2012?

Players dying during matches seems to happen often enough it has it's own Wiki page

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_associatio...

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gizlaroc said:

Hold on a minute, there were loads of reports coming in saying the same thing. I even put the tweet in a search and it came up from loads of sources, and some pretty official accounts.

I simply replied what had been tweeted.


I then went off to find the info from the radio station and couldn't so I deleted it. You must have then quoted what I put while I was trying to find info.

Nah, you posted it and it was up for a while before you binned it.

"I simply replied what had been tweeted"

So you believed what some rando account on twitter posted, and made it into your own fact.

I would be worried how such accounts surface to your feed, are your networks are brainwashing you? Are you being radicalised by an algorithm?

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Oakey said:

Except that time Fabrice Muamba suffered a heart attack back in 2012?

Players dying during matches seems to happen often enough it has it's own Wiki page

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_associatio...

Whilst some of them were heart attacks others say things like hit on head with crossbar. I'm not saying it doesn't happen I'm just saying apart from the odd couple of times you never hear about it. All I'm saying is if I was a fit 20 or 30 something person that has nothing to fear from covid and was undecided on the vaccine then I would hang fire until I knew the definitive truth of what happened. I don't think that's too outlandish.

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scottyp123 said:

Whilst some of them were heart attacks others say things like hit on head with crossbar. I'm not saying it doesn't happen I'm just saying apart from the odd couple of times you never hear about it. All I'm saying is if I was a fit 20 or 30 something person that has nothing to fear from covid and was undecided on the vaccine then I would hang fire until I knew the definitive truth of what happened. I don't think that's too outlandish.

It’s utter drivel. Complete fabrication. You have made it up to suit your own agenda.

If I said I think Argentinian spies poisoned him last month with a slow release toxin and therefore I’m never going to Argentina, is that sensible? Following your logic, it’s possible and therefore not too outlandish.

You’re spouting crap.

Here’s a review carried out over 20 years on young footballers. 0.38% suffer from some sort of heart issue. That’s 1 in 263 players. There are more than 263 players at this tournament. You won’t read it though, you’ll just run around screaming vAcCiNe at the top of your voice.

https://www.roydswithyking.com/study-footballers-s...

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa171471...

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unident said:

scottyp123 said:

Whilst some of them were heart attacks others say things like hit on head with crossbar. I'm not saying it doesn't happen I'm just saying apart from the odd couple of times you never hear about it. All I'm saying is if I was a fit 20 or 30 something person that has nothing to fear from covid and was undecided on the vaccine then I would hang fire until I knew the definitive truth of what happened. I don't think that's too outlandish.

It’s utter drivel. Complete fabrication. You have made it up to suit your own agenda.

If I said I think Argentinian spies poisoned him last month with a slow release toxin and therefore I’m never going to Argentina, is that sensible? Following your logic, it’s possible and therefore not too outlandish.

You’re spouting crap.

Here’s a review carried out over 20 years on young footballers. 0.38% suffer from some sort of heart issue. That’s 1 in 263 players. There are more than 263 players at this tournament. You won’t read it though, you’ll just run around screaming vAcCiNe at the top of your voice.

https://www.roydswithyking.com/study-footballers-s...

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa171471...

Well if a lot of people were getting jabbed at the minute with poison from Argentine spies and a few people had actually keeled over after getting jabbed with it then I would take a bit more notice of what you said.

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scottyp123 said:

Well if a lot of people were getting jabbed at the minute with poison from Argentine spies and a few people had actually keeled over after getting jabbed with it then I would take a bit more notice of what you said.

You don’t know if he’s even had the vaccine. You’ve said as much yourself.

Strangely you seem to totally unconcerned by the near 128,000 who have keeled over with Covid though

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robuk said:

Nah, you posted it and it was up for a while before you binned it.

"I simply replied what had been tweeted"

So you believed what some rando account on twitter posted, and made it into your own fact.

I would be worried how such accounts surface to your feed, are your networks are brainwashing you? Are you being radicalised by an algorithm?

I didn't, I also put up that it was apparently announced on a radio station, and we will have to find out, and I posted about this is a discussion, can we all stop calling each other names, and how much it shook me up watching the game. I'm a massive Eriksen fan and always joked with my Spurs mate that he should have stayed on the bus and got off at Arsenal.

I decided to go and look for some info from the station or other news stations that I knew, and as I saw nothing decided to remove it. That was a while later. When I deleted it the page refreshed and I saw your post.



Yeah, I will be the first to admit, that those I follow on Twitter tend to be those who think this mRNA tech is too early to be using so globally. So I will always get that side of biased pushed towards me, that is how it works.

But I have seen enough now to really think we are making a huge mistake, and of course I will always post information up that I think may make people stop and think about what it is we are doing.

I totally understand that will get many thinking I am an absolute melt, but it is what it is. I have got to take that on the chin like a big boy.


I have never said don't use the vaccine, I have never said don't vaccinate the vulnerable, but I do think jabbing the whole planet will be a big mistake. I do think it will create more infectious variants, that could go either way in regards to virulent they are, and I do worry about the long term effects of them in regards to where the spike protein ends up and the affect that will have on people going forward, fertility, auto immune system etc. etc.

And, I do think the vaccines will kill more children than the virus. Which looking at the US figures already seems to be true. (be called out as a nutter again, I get that) The kids are not at risk, we really should not be using this on them until 2023 when the longer term affects are better known.
I don't think that is much to ask?




But anyway, some will think I am a nutter, but I will live with that. If we had a pint and talked about it I think you would see me in a different light.


On that note, off to pick up some drinks for the game. Speak laters.

Edited by gizlaroc on Sunday 13th June 11:40

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Elite sportsmen receive comprehensive screening throughout their careers for cardiovascular abnormalities, arguably by the best in the world.

In light of this, there may well be a number of specialists who spent last evening frantically sifting through Eriksen's patients notes to see if they missed anything.

And if they didn't, will we ever know what triggered Eriksen's episode ?

Edited by SS2. on Sunday 13th June 12:25

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gizlaroc said:

I will be the first to admit, that those I follow on Twitter tend to be those who think this mRNA tech is too early to be using so globally. So I will always get that side of biased pushed towards me, that is how it works.

Feeds you opt into are literally giving you fake information by your own admission and then you recirculate it.

I know its all lad footy banta 'my best mates X' etc, but if this is the type of thing you have been exposed to day in day out over the last several months...

I bet if you and your mates had heard about an extremist bomber loon who had been subject to ongoing targeted messaging on social media you would call it radicalisation and be outraged and wonder how could anyone be so stupid.

How do you fix it could point to the answer of the bigger question of how society fixes the problem.

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unident said:

scottyp123 said:

Well if a lot of people were getting jabbed at the minute with poison from Argentine spies and a few people had actually keeled over after getting jabbed with it then I would take a bit more notice of what you said.

You don’t know if he’s even had the vaccine. You’ve said as much yourself.

Strangely you seem to totally unconcerned by the near 128,000 who have keeled over with Covid though

Neither do you and neither do millions of fit and healthy people that are unaffected by covid so until we do know I would be holding of if it was me. How many of the 128K are fit and healthy youngish athletes? I'm guessing none of them (those that actually died from covid and not just with it).

The president of his club has apparently come out and said he hasn't had the vaccine so stop the scaremongering but wasn't he complaining the other day that hardly any of his team has had it? Again its quite possible that he has pressured Eriksen into having the vaccine and is now backtracking and desperately trying to cover his tracks. When it comes out officially that he hasn't had it then I'll say it definitely didn't cause his collapse, until then I'll keep an open mind.

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scottyp123 said:

Whilst some of them were heart attacks others say things like hit on head with crossbar. I'm not saying it doesn't happen I'm just saying apart from the odd couple of times you never hear about it. All I'm saying is if I was a fit 20 or 30 something person that has nothing to fear from covid and was undecided on the vaccine then I would hang fire until I knew the definitive truth of what happened. I don't think that's too outlandish.

"Some of them"...

I count about 40 heart attacks, and that's only going back as far as 2010

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robuk said:

Feeds you opt into are literally giving you fake information by your own admission and then you recirculate it.

I know its all lad footy banta 'my best mates X' etc, but if this is the type of thing you have been exposed to day in day out over the last several months...

I bet if you and your mates had heard about an extremist bomber loon who had been subject to ongoing targeted messaging on social media you would call it radicalisation and be outraged and wonder how could anyone be so stupid.

How do you fix it could point to the answer of the bigger question of how society fixes the problem.

I disagree with all that.


I said I will get a lot more stuff that is debunking our reaction and what is really happening because of who I follow. It is not fake though.


We have absolute solid facts that are being completely ignored and twisted round as tin foil.

Even when I post up the links to government data, interviews with the people who invented the vaccines etc. etc. people won't read them or watch them and call it fake.

Fake what?


There will always be times when something is written and then turns out to be untrue. From both sides of the viewpoint, always was, always will be.



Nearly everything I have said regarding the numbers, the lockdowns, the travel restrictions, the passports, jabbing kids etc. etc. I have been ripped to pieces by a few on here, time and time again, yet when all that has come to fruition it is ignored and we start to attack whatever it is you think I am spouting as fake news now. And the circle continues.



If you genuinely think that we now need to lock down for another month and inject children, with the figures we have or some new variant I feel sorry for you.

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scottyp123 said:

Neither do you and neither do millions of fit and healthy people that are unaffected by covid so until we do know I would be holding of if it was me. How many of the 128K are fit and healthy youngish athletes? I'm guessing none of them (those that actually died from covid and not just with it).

The president of his club has apparently come out and said he hasn't had the vaccine so stop the scaremongering but wasn't he complaining the other day that hardly any of his team has had it? Again its quite possible that he has pressured Eriksen into having the vaccine and is now backtracking and desperately trying to cover his tracks. When it comes out officially that he hasn't had it then I'll say it definitely didn't cause his collapse, until then I'll keep an open mind.

And you keep on churning out the conspiracy drivel.

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unident said:

scottyp123 said:

Neither do you and neither do millions of fit and healthy people that are unaffected by covid so until we do know I would be holding of if it was me. How many of the 128K are fit and healthy youngish athletes? I'm guessing none of them (those that actually died from covid and not just with it).

The president of his club has apparently come out and said he hasn't had the vaccine so stop the scaremongering but wasn't he complaining the other day that hardly any of his team has had it? Again its quite possible that he has pressured Eriksen into having the vaccine and is now backtracking and desperately trying to cover his tracks. When it comes out officially that he hasn't had it then I'll say it definitely didn't cause his collapse, until then I'll keep an open mind.

And you keep on churning out the conspiracy drivel.

When it comes out 'officially' that he hasn't had the vaccine I suspect he'll just say that's all part of the cover up