UK approves Pfizer jab for use in 12-15-year-olds

[pavarotti1980]

MrMan001 said:

The MHRA’s position is only relevant to the UK, the vaccine manufacturers have immunity or indemnity in (almost?) every country. It also seems to be at the insistence of the manufacturer, as the quotes in my earlier link show. They say that they can’t absorb the risk.

Edit for source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-astrazeneca-res...

Edited by MrMan001 on Friday 4th June 16:37

The UK position is due to existing legislation. US also has legislation 2005 PREP Act. EU countries happy to accept liability as in countries interests too.

Still not sure what your point is to be honest

Edited by pavarotti1980 on Friday 4th June 16:59

[BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo]

BUG4LIFE said:

Am in wrong in saying that at some point, somewhere, a health 12-18 year old is going to have the vaccine, have a bad reaction/blood clot and die? How on earth would the parents live with themselves?

Or, is there zero chance of this happening?!?!

It’s like a cult. They’ll believe it’s for the greater good and the sacrifice of their child is worth it.

[Ntv]

robuk said:

Got to love PH's anti-science pro-virus lot...

I don't have a problem with a few thousand elderly pa dying of/with COVID if it's the price to pay for freedom and normality for the rest of the population.

Do you?

[anonymous-user]

pavarotti1980 said:

The UK position is due to existing legislation. US also has legislation 2005 PREP Act. EU countries happy to accept liability as in countries interests too.

Still not sure what your point is to be honest

Edited by pavarotti1980 on Friday 4th June 16:59

My point is that you suggested this drug is like all drugs (“clinical trials, SPC , EPAR”). I’d suggest it really isn’t like any other drug, and the manufacturers clearly agree or else they’d just use their regular processes to minimise their risk exposure.

[Ntv]

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:

BUG4LIFE said:

Am in wrong in saying that at some point, somewhere, a health 12-18 year old is going to have the vaccine, have a bad reaction/blood clot and die? How on earth would the parents live with themselves?

Or, is there zero chance of this happening?!?!

It’s like a cult. They’ll believe it’s for the greater good and the sacrifice of their child is worth it.

The adverse health consequences of AZ are very rare, but can be very serious.

Can any of the HMG shills here tell me how man of those adverse consequences were identified in the AZ trials?

[Ntv]

ElectricSoup said:

monkfish1 said:

ElectricSoup said:

This, and also the latest variants are liable to cause long Covid in younger people. I've got 2 teenagers, they both want the jab, and they'll both have my blessing when it's available to them. The benefits far outweigh any risks.

Says who? Not all the risks are known yet. Nor will be for some time. When enough data has been collected, it will get product approval. Which, lets be clear, it doesnt have.

Until then, your assertion is based on little other than belief.

Says the UK regulator, the actual link provided in the first post of this thread, here it is again as you obviously missed it in your keeness to go anti-vaxxy on our arses:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57358446

Second bold: what are you talking about? This thread is actually about the fact that it HAS been approved for 12-15 year olds now.

Edited by ElectricSoup on Friday 4th June 12:57

Is this the same type of rigorous review MHRA carried out on the AZ vaccine, during which they managed to identify precisely zero of the various adverse health consequences that have emerged subsequently ?

Ok ...

[unident]

This discussion is hilarious. It simply follows the usual route of being dominated by the anti-vaxxers shouting loudly and in larger numbers so that they can all pretend they’re right. Obviously ignoring all the evidence to the contrary and picking bits n bobs that suit their agenda.

We’ve had these “critical thinkers” someone that it’s Mother Nature taking people, rather than a man-made medicine, so that’s OK. Sky Fairy anyone?

We’ve had the “it’s not been tested for long enough” argument. How long is long enough? Are you happy with the smallpox vaccine or should we really have tested it for another century just in case, and then maybe another century.

How many of you would have been campaigning against electricity back in the day?

[sugerbear]

BUG4LIFE said:

sugerbear said:

BUG4LIFE said:

Am in wrong in saying that at some point, somewhere, a health 12-18 year old is going to have the vaccine, have a bad reaction/blood clot and die? How on earth would the parents live with themselves?

Or, is there zero chance of this happening?!?!

I hope you won’t be teaching your children how to drive or buying them a car to drive. How on earth would you live with yourself if they had a car accident and killed themselves.

What a weird thing to say. You obviously know the mega differences in the situations you mention.

Yes, on the one hand you have parents giving children things that have been statistically proven to kill and injure.

Then you have your wibble nonsense about vaccines gleaned from social media or some grifter who wants you do donate to their anti-vax group.

[pquinn]

Still waiting to hear an argument in favour that doesn't consist of self interest or personal abuse.

Let's hear some science and stats and ethical arguments.

[Otispunkmeyer]

Gweeds said:

Because by removing the well of potential hosts, you reduce the chance of mutations/variants which may be vaccine resistant and which could then affect those who could die?

Not according to this bloke… bit long winded listen mind, but he’s not a crack pot (read his about page, his view should definitely not be ignored imo) He seems to be suggesting, vaccinating everyone with leaky vaccines will only lead to the formation of stronger variants.

Not sure I fully understand but sounds like he was trying to say that vaccinated people will basically harbour or allow the circulation of stronger variants because the vaccine doesn’t stop you getting it, just from getting ill. So if the stronger variants don’t kill you, they can keep going round and eventually they’ll find someone who isn’t protected and they’ll get absolutely hammered. He’s clearly got the background for this kind of knowledge and it’ll be interesting to see if that actually happens. Just a shame that the real world and our lives are not an experimental sandpit in a laboratory somewhere!

I mean SARS 1 made you so ill you got quarantined in a hospital bed. So it didn’t really spread around much because obviously very ill people can’t do much spreading on account of not being able to move about. But imagine if a vaccine would essentially allow you to get and spread sars1 but it didn’t make you ill. Imagine what would happen then?

https://youtu.be/vGBDETOPAJA


https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Friday 4th June 17:58

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Friday 4th June 18:00

[ChocolateFrog]

If it was an emergency then maybe, just maybe.

But there's no chance I'm allowing my kids to have a vaccine that's been authorised for emergency use only.

I'm not experimenting on them just to protect old and sick people, no chance.

[ChocolateFrog]

Ntv said:

robuk said:

Got to love PH's anti-science pro-virus lot...

I don't have a problem with a few thousand elderly pa dying of/with COVID if it's the price to pay for freedom and normality for the rest of the population.

Do you?

Every single person over 80 could die and I still wouldn't allow my child to be jabbed.

[unident]

sugerbear said:

BUG4LIFE said:

sugerbear said:

BUG4LIFE said:

Am in wrong in saying that at some point, somewhere, a health 12-18 year old is going to have the vaccine, have a bad reaction/blood clot and die? How on earth would the parents live with themselves?

Or, is there zero chance of this happening?!?!

I hope you won’t be teaching your children how to drive or buying them a car to drive. How on earth would you live with yourself if they had a car accident and killed themselves.

What a weird thing to say. You obviously know the mega differences in the situations you mention.

Yes, on the one hand you have parents giving children things that have been statistically proven to kill and injure.

Then you have your wibble nonsense about vaccines gleaned from social media or some grifter who wants you do donate to their anti-vax group.

Exactly this.

On any given day a child will die as a result of something their parents gave them. The flip side to the original question is:

Am in wrong in saying that at some point, somewhere, a health 12-18 year old is going to die from Covid or suffer very badly from the after effects, due to the parents refusing to allow them to be vaccinated? How on earth would the parents live with themselves?

Or, is there zero chance of this happening?!?!

[rxe]

jinba-ittai said:

Where's your source for hundreds of deaths from the AZ vaccine? (not saying it isn't true, just seems much higher than I'd seen quoted previously)

We had 70 a few weeks ago in the papers. The Europeans have had >30 in several countries, also in the papers.

Now, I’m not saying that vaccination is a bad thing - I’ve had it. But those who said “there are no risks” were wrong. If you remember there was that moment at the height of the “vaccine wars” when several European countries registered several 10s of deaths each. We had hardly registered any. There was a bit of “pah, Europeans, just sour grapes about the vaccine”, but the difference was we hadn’t tried injecting young people, only the elderly. As soon as we injected young people, we saw the problem, and if you’re under 30, you don’t get AZ any more in the UK.

[dmahon]

pquinn said:

Still waiting to hear an argument in favour that doesn't consist of self interest or personal abuse.

Let's hear some science and stats and ethical arguments.

There is no logical or ethical argument for vaccinating kids for this. You can twist it any which way you like and you’ll never find one.

It doesn’t stop the frothing pro vaxxers trying. You are right, self interest is the only credible reason.

[robuk]

Otispunkmeyer said:

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Friday 4th June 17:58

Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Friday 4th June 18:00

https://medium.com/beingwell/geert-vanden-bossche-is-destroying-american-herd-immunity-787a6ba7d101 this bloke has a fair bit of negative stuff to say about your bloke btw.

Why do you think your bloke is worth listening to over this other bloke ?

[SCEtoAUX]

Brave Fart said:

Well, I am as unsurprised as a very unsurprised thing. It's now over to the JCVI for a recommendation to government, so we'll see.
If the JCVI do recommend vaccinating the 12-18 age group, will it further hold up "Freedom Day"?
"Alas, my friends, we cannot resume normal life until all children aged 12+ are safe from this terrible virus".
And then it'll be 2-11 year olds, then babies, then family pets, then migratory birds.............

Nail on the head. They don't want this to end, never have. People die, its how nature works.

[monkfish1]

Ntv said:

ElectricSoup said:

monkfish1 said:

ElectricSoup said:

This, and also the latest variants are liable to cause long Covid in younger people. I've got 2 teenagers, they both want the jab, and they'll both have my blessing when it's available to them. The benefits far outweigh any risks.

Says who? Not all the risks are known yet. Nor will be for some time. When enough data has been collected, it will get product approval. Which, lets be clear, it doesnt have.

Until then, your assertion is based on little other than belief.

Says the UK regulator, the actual link provided in the first post of this thread, here it is again as you obviously missed it in your keeness to go anti-vaxxy on our arses:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57358446

Second bold: what are you talking about? This thread is actually about the fact that it HAS been approved for 12-15 year olds now.

Edited by ElectricSoup on Friday 4th June 12:57

Is this the same type of rigorous review MHRA carried out on the AZ vaccine, during which they managed to identify precisely zero of the various adverse health consequences that have emerged subsequently ?

Ok ...

Indeed.

Electric soup seems to be so hard of thinking that he believes the vaccines are "approved" when they are not. As pointed out earlier by someone else, it will be 2023 before they are. The current approval is emergency approval, effectively a extended trial. Any and all consequences are on the recipent entitrely with no comeback on anyone.

Once its approved, you will have recouse to the manufacturer.

So for Electricsoups benefit, its NOT approved. You have been taken in by the headlines, without availing yourself of the true facts.

[frisbee]

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:

BUG4LIFE said:

Am in wrong in saying that at some point, somewhere, a health 12-18 year old is going to have the vaccine, have a bad reaction/blood clot and die? How on earth would the parents live with themselves?

Or, is there zero chance of this happening?!?!

It’s like a cult. They’ll believe it’s for the greater good and the sacrifice of their child is worth it.

Sacrifice worked really well for the Aztecs, their empire over in North America just goes from strength to strength.

[unident]

frisbee said:

BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:

BUG4LIFE said:

Am in wrong in saying that at some point, somewhere, a health 12-18 year old is going to have the vaccine, have a bad reaction/blood clot and die? How on earth would the parents live with themselves?

Or, is there zero chance of this happening?!?!

It’s like a cult. They’ll believe it’s for the greater good and the sacrifice of their child is worth it.

Sacrifice worked really well for the Aztecs, their empire over in North America just goes from strength to strength.

Yes it’s exactly the same as this and you anti-vaxxers have just seen straight through it and have spotted that it’s all a big global conspiracy by Big Pharma / The Great Reset / government dictatorships / population control, or whatever crap you’re all swallowing this week