UK approves Pfizer jab for use in 12-15-year-olds

[tangerine_sedge]

Otispunkmeyer said:

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/

What, this guy that Snopes seems to think is full of st?

link to snopes

or this one, calling him a grifter...

linky

[pavarotti1980]

MrMan001 said:

My point is that you suggested this drug is like all drugs (“clinical trials, SPC , EPAR”). I’d suggest it really isn’t like any other drug, and the manufacturers clearly agree or else they’d just use their regular processes to minimise their risk exposure.

You are not correct

[anonymous-user]

pavarotti1980 said:

You are not correct

How so? I’d have though emergency approval and legal immunity to the manufacturers would put a drug firmly in the ‘outlier’ category.

[NormalWisdom]

Is there any chance we can open an "Anti Establishment fkwitt" section within Pie & Piston?

[pquinn]

NormalWisdom said:

Is there any chance we can open an "Anti Establishment fkwitt" section within Pie & Piston?

Are you volunteering as chief fkwit?

[unident]

To all anti-vaxxers.

Have a read of this pamphlet. It has all of your arguments neatly put together into one simple document. It’s probably best that you ignore that it’s over 200 years old and relates to smallpox, rather than Covid though. What it absolutely does do is show how your “critically thought through” arguments are very, very tired

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=aeu.ark:/13...

[GMT13]

unident said:

To all anti-vaxxers.

Have a read of this pamphlet. It has all of your arguments neatly put together into one simple document. It’s probably best that you ignore that it’s over 200 years old and relates to smallpox, rather than Covid though. What it absolutely does do is show how your “critically thought through” arguments are very, very tired

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=aeu.ark:/13...

I think the vaccines work extraordinarily well at stopping older/at risk people getting ill and therefore see no reason for young people to risk adverse reactions from a vaccine they do not need. For that point of view you'd label me anti vax.

At the same time you obviously have no confidence that the vaccines will stop the oldies/at risk getting ill, yet you're not anti vax?

8 healthy under 20's have died in England from Covid - https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/u...

AZ linked to 695k adverse reactions and 831 deaths so far in UK - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

Pfizer - linked to 183k adverse reaction and 396 deaths in UK so far - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

There is no logical argument for vaccinating kids

[BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo]

GMT13 said:

I think the vaccines work extraordinarily well at stopping older/at risk people getting ill and therefore see no reason for young people to risk adverse reactions from a vaccine they do not need. For that point of view you'd label me anti vax.

At the same time you obviously have no confidence that the vaccines will stop the oldies/at risk getting ill, yet you're not anti vax?

8 healthy under 20's have died in England from Covid - https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/u...

AZ linked to 695k adverse reactions and 831 deaths so far in UK - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

Pfizer - linked to 183k adverse reaction and 396 deaths in UK so far - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

There is no logical argument for vaccinating kids

[pavarotti1980]

MrMan001 said:

How so? I’d have though emergency approval and legal immunity to the manufacturers would put a drug firmly in the ‘outlier’ category.

No it just puts it in the unlicensed category along with hundreds of others in use every day in healthcare

[pavarotti1980]

GMT13 said:

I think the vaccines work extraordinarily well at stopping older/at risk people getting ill and therefore see no reason for young people to risk adverse reactions from a vaccine they do not need. For that point of view you'd label me anti vax.

At the same time you obviously have no confidence that the vaccines will stop the oldies/at risk getting ill, yet you're not anti vax?

8 healthy under 20's have died in England from Covid - https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/u...

AZ linked to 695k adverse reactions and 831 deaths so far in UK - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

Pfizer - linked to 183k adverse reaction and 396 deaths in UK so far - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

There is no logical argument for vaccinating kids

What's the most common adverse event/s for them both?

[frisbee]

GMT13 said:

I think the vaccines work extraordinarily well at stopping older/at risk people getting ill and therefore see no reason for young people to risk adverse reactions from a vaccine they do not need. For that point of view you'd label me anti vax.

At the same time you obviously have no confidence that the vaccines will stop the oldies/at risk getting ill, yet you're not anti vax?

8 healthy under 20's have died in England from Covid - https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/u...

AZ linked to 695k adverse reactions and 831 deaths so far in UK - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

Pfizer - linked to 183k adverse reaction and 396 deaths in UK so far - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

There is no logical argument for vaccinating kids

Logic is a completely alien concept to the full on fruitloop child vaccinators. You have to feel sorry for their kids.

[grumbledoak]

GMT13 said:

There is no logical argument for vaccinating kids

Because they want to, because they can, because there is no liability, and because you won't do what it takes to stop them.

[unident]

GMT13 said:

I think the vaccines work extraordinarily well at stopping older/at risk people getting ill and therefore see no reason for young people to risk adverse reactions from a vaccine they do not need. For that point of view you'd label me anti vax.

At the same time you obviously have no confidence that the vaccines will stop the oldies/at risk getting ill, yet you're not anti vax?

8 healthy under 20's have died in England from Covid - https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/u...

AZ linked to 695k adverse reactions and 831 deaths so far in UK - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

Pfizer - linked to 183k adverse reaction and 396 deaths in UK so far - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

There is no logical argument for vaccinating kids

I don’t know who you are. Have you posted before on this discussion? If not, I obviously wasn’t referring to you. However, if the cap fits

Have I said that? You’ve decided I’ve said something that I’m 100% certain I haven’t.

8 healthy under 20s have died with Covid so it’s not a risk, but no healthy under 20s have died due to the vaccine but that is a risk. Great logic.

This whole discussion is exactly the same as every other discussion. A vocal group post a lot using obscure info / Facebook drivel that suits their narrative. That’s kind of it really, but no doubt this will go on for another 200 pages of people waffling on about conspiracies and other crap.

[anonymous-user]

pavarotti1980 said:

No it just puts it in the unlicensed category along with hundreds of others in use every day in healthcare

That’s interesting, thanks for the information. So if a healthcare provider prescribes me an unlicensed medicine and I have severe side effects, both the manufacturer and healthcare provider would have immunity to any liability claims? Because it seems NHS trusts and individual healthcare workers have immunity to liability too.

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 4th June 19:40

Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 4th June 19:49

[scottyp123]

unident said:

I don’t know who you are. Have you posted before on this discussion? If not, I obviously wasn’t referring to you. However, if the cap fits

Have I said that? You’ve decided I’ve said something that I’m 100% certain I haven’t.

8 healthy under 20s have died with Covid so it’s not a risk, but no healthy under 20s have died due to the vaccine but that is a risk. Great logic.

This whole discussion is exactly the same as every other discussion. A vocal group post a lot using obscure info / Facebook drivel that suits their narrative. That’s kind of it really, but no doubt this will go on for another 200 pages of people waffling on about conspiracies and other crap.

Surely you lose what little credibility you had saying that. You would take the green light that no under 20s have died from the vaccine so its obviously safe to jab your kids? How many under 20s have actually had their jab.

By that logic no under 20s have died from doing gymnastics on a motorway so its obviously the safest place to practice gymnastics then.

[unident]

scottyp123 said:

unident said:

I don’t know who you are. Have you posted before on this discussion? If not, I obviously wasn’t referring to you. However, if the cap fits

Have I said that? You’ve decided I’ve said something that I’m 100% certain I haven’t.

8 healthy under 20s have died with Covid so it’s not a risk, but no healthy under 20s have died due to the vaccine but that is a risk. Great logic.

This whole discussion is exactly the same as every other discussion. A vocal group post a lot using obscure info / Facebook drivel that suits their narrative. That’s kind of it really, but no doubt this will go on for another 200 pages of people waffling on about conspiracies and other crap.

Surely you lose what little credibility you had saying that. You would take the green light that no under 20s have died from the vaccine so its obviously safe to jab your kids? How many under 20s have actually had their jab.

By that logic no under 20s have died from doing gymnastics on a motorway so its obviously the safest place to practice gymnastics then.

This just gets better and better and better. “I lose all credibility”, when what you mean is “oooo, oooooo I think I’ve found something minor I can jump on, even though it’s completely ridiculous.”

Let me show you how ridiculous it is:

Someone said only 8 healthy under 20s have died of Covid in England. How many under 20s have had it? Is this the absolute final total and it can’t increase?

You see, your logic is just as flawed. Anyway, you keep believing the anti-vax bks, I’m sure it makes you feel like you’re being clever but it really does just show how gullible you are.

[GMT13]

unident said:

GMT13 said:

I think the vaccines work extraordinarily well at stopping older/at risk people getting ill and therefore see no reason for young people to risk adverse reactions from a vaccine they do not need. For that point of view you'd label me anti vax.

At the same time you obviously have no confidence that the vaccines will stop the oldies/at risk getting ill, yet you're not anti vax?

8 healthy under 20's have died in England from Covid - https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/wp-content/u...

AZ linked to 695k adverse reactions and 831 deaths so far in UK - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

Pfizer - linked to 183k adverse reaction and 396 deaths in UK so far - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen...

There is no logical argument for vaccinating kids

I don’t know who you are. Have you posted before on this discussion? If not, I obviously wasn’t referring to you. However, if the cap fits

Have I said that? You’ve decided I’ve said something that I’m 100% certain I haven’t.

8 healthy under 20s have died with Covid so it’s not a risk, but no healthy under 20s have died due to the vaccine but that is a risk. Great logic.

This whole discussion is exactly the same as every other discussion. A vocal group post a lot using obscure info / Facebook drivel that suits their narrative. That’s kind of it really, but no doubt this will go on for another 200 pages of people waffling on about conspiracies and other crap.

Sorry I wasn't intending to make it about individuals, I was making more of a general point that people that have confidence that the vaccine protects older people (and therefore don't think youngsters should be vaccinated) are labelled anti vax whilst others that presumably don't have faith that the vaccine is effective at protecting the elderly/at risk (because they want younger people who are at close to zero risk vaccinated to protect those vaccinated elderly) are somehow considered Pro vax and have some sort of moral high ground.

As for 'obscure info/Facebook posts' - my stats/links above are from the government website and NHS England website. It might be an idea to have a read through the hundreds of thousands of reported side effects, it might change your mind.

[Claptonian]

unident said:

This just gets better and better and better. “I lose all credibility”, when what you mean is “oooo, oooooo I think I’ve found something minor I can jump on, even though it’s completely ridiculous.”

Let me show you how ridiculous it is:

Someone said only 8 healthy under 20s have died of Covid in England. How many under 20s have had it? Is this the absolute final total and it can’t increase?

You see, your logic is just as flawed. Anyway, you keep believing the anti-vax bks, I’m sure it makes you feel like you’re being clever but it really does just show how gullible you are.

I don't know why anyone ever bothers responding to you. Completely incapable of having a debate/conversation like an adult. You are just an angry little man that hates that anyone might have a different opinion to you and instantly resorts to insults. Like an over opinionated teenager, really. Just boorish and childish. Grow up.

[scottyp123]

Last year people were going bananas about how it was spreading like wildfire in the university campus's, other times they were going apoplectic about the young constantly partying and holding illegal raves spreading it around the coutry.

To answer your question, how many under 20's have had covid already, I'm guessing probably all of them.

[unident]

Claptonian said:

I don't know why anyone ever bothers responding to you. Completely incapable of having a debate/conversation like an adult. You are just an angry little man that hates that anyone might have a different opinion to you and instantly resorts to insults. Like an over opinionated teenager, really. Just boorish and childish. Grow up.

Or the guy who’s pointing out what a ridiculous position it is to be anti-vax. Primarily because it is a ridiculous position. It’s hard to debate with people who ignore all logic and science and instead rely on Facebook medicine for their (dis)information.