Freedom Day, June 21st, will go ahead.

[vulture1]

AJL308 said:

Crafty_ said:

AJL308 said:

I don't think that's the case at all. We all know that there won't be a workable level of protection until something like 80% of the population are vaccinated. They aren't yet. The vaccination programme is clearly working as case numbers fell dramatically. Yes, it was due to the other elements as well but largely the vaccines.

Don't think I'm saying this because I'm some sort of government appeasing automaton who likes to be controlled - I'm not and I don't. In fact it's starting to get to me quite a bit now. What's the alternative if we don't have the required level of vaccinations? Not continuing this until it's logical end may turn out to be worse than another 4 weeks under these regs.

AJL308 said:

They haven't been given to enough people. That doesn't mean they are not the answer. You don't stop a house build half way though because you've concluded it's pointless because the rain is coming in due to you not having put the roof on yet.

As far as I can determine, the level of vaccinations are at least where they expected to be or better.

Why why plan for a relaxation of rules that they never intended to carry out ?

If we're at 78% now and Boris is stting himself do you honestly believe that another 2% will suddenly make it all ok again ?

No, me either. This is going to be a perpetual loop oh "oh, not yet, we cant do that" and then the next day talking about "building back better".

I don't think we are anywhere near 78% of the population having had the two doses.

It'll be 78% of the adult population and include those that could have had but chose not to. The age of teh UK population is very scewed to the higher end.

[Maximus_Meridius101]

liner33 said:

ahh so like the flu then, understood, will look forward to the annual Christmas lockdowns then.

There’s method in that madness. It was proven ( beyond reasonable doubt ) that lockdowns led to practically zero seasonal influenza deaths, last year. Don’t encourage them.

[Maximus_Meridius101]

I think that the whole situation is FUBAR. Let it go, we know what we’re up against. People will either be ‘sensible’ of their own accord, or the st will hit the fan, and they’ll be scared into being sensible by default.

[djc206]

AJL308 said:

Every government works the same. The current situation is one they cannot win. People are suggesting that they should say absolutely, 100% nothing to anyone until 17:00 hrs on Monday. So, come that time, everyone when expecting to be released from any restriction will be told that they won't be. A massive blow to everyone, businesses have no expectation of it and everyone goes nuts. That is your preferable scenario - really?

This is how the world works, has always worked and anyone expecting differently is deluded.

No they’ve already made the decision so call the conference now and come out with it. There’s no need to wait until these fixed dates to make announcements if they’ve got what they need to make the decision before that date.

[Crafty_]

AJL308 said:

I don't think we are anywhere near 78% of the population having had the two doses.

78% of adults have had one jab, 55% the second.
the first gives the majority of the immunity, as is well documented.

If you want 80% of the public to have the second dose, we need another 13.25m second doses. They are averaging 342k a day at the moment, so thats another 38 days. which takes us to early August, so any delay in to July will just be pushed out again?
How long do we continue for ? at what point are you going to call it ?
Deaths from all causes are under the 5 year average. Shall we wait for zero deaths for a day ? week ? month ?

[williamp]

906 Covid patients in hospital as of 10 Jun (+30 on previous day), lower than any of the five Sage roadmap scenarios

Source: https://data.spectator.co.uk/city/national

The scientists are guessing, and guessing wrong. Boris need to stop listening to the,, and start listening to Business.

[Maximus_Meridius101]

williamp said:

906 Covid patients in hospital as of 10 Jun (+30 on previous day), lower than any of the five Sage roadmap scenarios

Source: https://data.spectator.co.uk/city/national

The scientists are guessing, and guessing wrong. Boris need to stop listening to the,, and start listening to Business.

The ‘business’ he’s listening to is pharma. That’s why we are where we are, and why this isn’t going away anytime soon.

[ninja-lewis]

vulture1 said:

AJL308 said:

Crafty_ said:

AJL308 said:

I don't think that's the case at all. We all know that there won't be a workable level of protection until something like 80% of the population are vaccinated. They aren't yet. The vaccination programme is clearly working as case numbers fell dramatically. Yes, it was due to the other elements as well but largely the vaccines.

Don't think I'm saying this because I'm some sort of government appeasing automaton who likes to be controlled - I'm not and I don't. In fact it's starting to get to me quite a bit now. What's the alternative if we don't have the required level of vaccinations? Not continuing this until it's logical end may turn out to be worse than another 4 weeks under these regs.

AJL308 said:

They haven't been given to enough people. That doesn't mean they are not the answer. You don't stop a house build half way though because you've concluded it's pointless because the rain is coming in due to you not having put the roof on yet.

As far as I can determine, the level of vaccinations are at least where they expected to be or better.

Why why plan for a relaxation of rules that they never intended to carry out ?

If we're at 78% now and Boris is stting himself do you honestly believe that another 2% will suddenly make it all ok again ?

No, me either. This is going to be a perpetual loop oh "oh, not yet, we cant do that" and then the next day talking about "building back better".

I don't think we are anywhere near 78% of the population having had the two doses.

It'll be 78% of the adult population and include those that could have had but chose not to. The age of teh UK population is very scewed to the higher end.

It's 78% of the adult population with at least one dose.

Second doses is currently 55% of adults.



From r/CoronavirusUK on Reddit

[johnboy1975]

AJL308 said:

tertius said:

spikeyhead said:

I'm going to guess that releasing a "four week delay" to the press will be followed by Boris announcing that "I've reduced it to two weeks."

That is my guess too.

I don't think so. The scientists are suggesting 4 weeks and they've always said they'd go with the scientific data. The suggestions today are that even with the current levels of restriction kept in place cases are rising whereby in 4 weeks we'll be back to January levels. To reduce the lifting to 2 weeks will cause cases to rise even further. They won't do that.

Are we really going to unlock fully in July with January levels of cases? (Cant see it being that high btw)

[AJL308]

johnboy1975 said:

AJL308 said:

tertius said:

spikeyhead said:

I'm going to guess that releasing a "four week delay" to the press will be followed by Boris announcing that "I've reduced it to two weeks."

That is my guess too.

I don't think so. The scientists are suggesting 4 weeks and they've always said they'd go with the scientific data. The suggestions today are that even with the current levels of restriction kept in place cases are rising whereby in 4 weeks we'll be back to January levels. To reduce the lifting to 2 weeks will cause cases to rise even further. They won't do that.

Are we really going to unlock fully in July with January levels of cases? (Cant see it being that high btw)

I suppose it would depend upon how many people manage to get fully vaccinated?

[snuffy]

JagLover said:

Soon they will split out hospitalised cases between "being treated for Covid" and "admitted for something else and just happened to test positive"

Well they have not done that from the start, so I can't see that happening now. They have lumped those two options together to give a higher death rate "with covid".

JagLover said:

They are testing 700,000 people a day so they are bound to find many who happened to test positive while being treated for other things, particularly among the elderly.

Indeed. It's like those ads on the TV I keep seeing that say "1 in 2 people will develop cancer in their lifetime". That may be true, but 1 in 2 people don't die of cancer.

[Crafty_]

AJL308 said:

I suppose it would depend upon how many people manage to get fully vaccinated?

I don't think vaccinations play any part in the decisions made around relaxation (or otherwise).

All they are doing is looking at the number of cases. Remember, the vaccine does not prevent you getting the virus.

[JagLover]

snuffy said:

JagLover said:

Soon they will split out hospitalised cases between "being treated for Covid" and "admitted for something else and just happened to test positive"

Well they have not done that from the start, so I can't see that happening now. They have lumped those two options together to give a higher death rate "with covid".

Being done. Announced a couple of days ago

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavi...

[snuffy]

JagLover said:

snuffy said:

JagLover said:

Soon they will split out hospitalised cases between "being treated for Covid" and "admitted for something else and just happened to test positive"

Well they have not done that from the start, so I can't see that happening now. They have lumped those two options together to give a higher death rate "with covid".

Being done. Announced a couple of days ago

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavi...

So it is, I stand corrected.

[biggles330d]

The O/H had health protection team in her work yesterday. Seems that the general consensus is, like last year we'll all mix over summer with the Delta variant being more transmissible so there is planning going on for a fairly confident 3rd wave coming towards the end of summer. The race is on to get people double vaccinated to mitigate it but its already taking off again like mad around us. Definite delay to June 21st I recon.

There will be a point where surely so much effort has gone into vaccinating that if you are a refusnik and get it seriously then there will be little sympathy and you'll get little medical priority over someone else with some other illness.

[snuffy]

biggles330d said:

There will be a point where surely so much effort has gone into vaccinating that if you are a refusnik and get it seriously then there will be little sympathy and you'll get little medical priority over someone else with some other illness.

Previously I would have said something like that would never happen in the UK, i.e. even self inflected lifestyle illnesses are always treated.

But now, well, if you have anything other than Covid then you can fk off and die. Literally.

Edited by snuffy on Saturday 12th June 16:25

[Phud]

biggles330d said:

The O/H had health protection team in her work yesterday. Seems that the general consensus is, like last year we'll all mix over summer with the Delta variant being more transmissible so there is planning going on for a fairly confident 3rd wave coming towards the end of summer. The race is on to get people double vaccinated to mitigate it but its already taking off again like mad around us. Definite delay to June 21st I recon.

There will be a point where surely so much effort has gone into vaccinating that if you are a refusnik and get it seriously then there will be little sympathy and you'll get little medical priority over someone else with some other illness.

Does the same apply to obesity or smokers? Drinkers or drug takers? Reduction of medical priority? No

No it is a sound bite to coerce people to get a vaccination that only mitigates the effects of Covid

[liner33]

Seems like a long time ago now


Prime Minister Boris Johnson told MPs the plan aimed to be "cautious but irreversible" and at every stage decisions would be led by "data not dates".

There was "no credible route to a zero-Covid Britain nor indeed a zero-Covid world", he said.


Mr Johnson later told a Downing Street news conference the coming spring and summer would be "seasons of hope, looking and feeling incomparably better for us all".

He described the plan as a "one-way road to freedom" but said he could not guarantee it would be irreversible "but the intention is that it should be".

[bitchstewie]

Think we're going to be waiting a bit longer.

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1403688556674101...

[anonymous-user]

AJL308 said:

I suppose it would depend upon how many people manage to get fully vaccinated?

It really won’t.

No matter what level of vaccination we have, there is little appetite to open up while the ‘new variant’* is spreading.

• like busses, you wait for one and then two or three turn up.