Freedom Day, June 21st, will go ahead.

[Teddy Lop]

chrispmartha said:

Teddy Lop said:

chrispmartha said:

Missing the great irony that those that get offended by the word Gammon are often the first to say people are too easily offended and throw terms like snowflake and woke about as pejoratives.

I would have said the greater hypocrisy was the insult coming form, and being constantly indulged, from where we keep hearing lectures on not offending people. With the pig connotations which is considered a serious slur across many cultures, it's actually more than the "light" remark it's palmed off as whenever such hypocrisy is highlighted.

I don’t necessarily disagree with that to be honest.

It’s still not a racial slur.

It's not overtly racist no but I can see where its use could have overtones, well except that white men can be racist-dised against can they

[pquinn]

Jasandjules said:

Maximus_Meridius101 said:

However, back on thread, Boris is being advised to delay for a month, but will he? Will he grow a pair of bks and lift all restrictions on the 21st? I hope so, but I doubt it.

It will be more than a month I expect..

Having only just started summer, some are talking about delay until next spring. (!!)

Some would be quite happy to delay until the 32nd of Never.

[Maximus_Meridius101]

pquinn said:

Having only just started summer, some are talking about delay until next spring. (!!)

Some would be quite happy to delay until the 32nd of Never.

It’s always been my belief that this is a can kicking exercise, that will continue until at least April next year. By then, something else will have come along to give the folk in charge an excuse to keep the bullst going.

[poo at Paul's]

Crafty_ said:

The difference is last September - October we didn't have vaccines, which Boris said was the answer to opening up.

Yes, that’s the point I made. They are looking for more time to be certain that the vaccine is the thing breaking the link, and indeed that that link is broken.
I reckon if we see the same trends we are seeing now, ie daily deaths like 0.1% of daily cases) for another few weeks, it will suggest the vaccines are working. The trend we saw in Sept started to go south within about 4 or 5 weeks. Oh, and for the back end of that, we saw the emergence of a new variant of concern, so there are parallels there.

I’ve not quoted the rest of your post, read it. FWIW, I think we will have seasonal lockdowns. It’s unlikely the vaccines will be a one treatment ticket, we will need boosters etc, and I think we will be in a critical period soon. The idea mooted is to carry on vaccinating for another few weeks to cover 90 percent with first jab, and 80 percent with second if press reports are to be believed.
But are we sure them octogenarians who had second jab in January will still be covered come say in late July when a revised freedom day comes up and everyone goes mad!

[liner33]

chrispmartha said:

Wonder how it will affect vaccine takeup?

“i’m not bothering as its not making any difference”

Or

“I must get it as it will mean opening up quicker”

Apparently 29% of those that have died of the delta variant had received both jabs so it’s not looking like the vaccine is going to be the road out of this

[Vanden Saab]

liner33 said:

chrispmartha said:

Wonder how it will affect vaccine takeup?

“i’m not bothering as its not making any difference”

Or

“I must get it as it will mean opening up quicker”

Apparently 29% of those that have died of the delta variant had received both jabs so it’s not looking like the vaccine is going to be the road out of this

What is 29%of 7?

[brickwall]

Vanden Saab said:

liner33 said:

chrispmartha said:

Wonder how it will affect vaccine takeup?

“i’m not bothering as its not making any difference”

Or

“I must get it as it will mean opening up quicker”

Apparently 29% of those that have died of the delta variant had received both jabs so it’s not looking like the vaccine is going to be the road out of this

What is 29%of 7?

And while those 2 people might have died “with” COVID, that’s not to say they died “of” COVID.

And even if they died “of” COVID, it’s quite possible they were of an age/health condition that *any* disease would present a material risk of death.

[liner33]

Vanden Saab said:

What is 29%of 7?

It’s 29% of 42 so 12 people

[JagLover]

liner33 said:

Vanden Saab said:

What is 29%of 7?

It’s 29% of 42 so 12 people

and what was the age and health condition of those people?, and what did they actually die of?

The vaccine does not prevent all infection. It reduces very significantly symptomatic infection, hospitalisations and death.

[Cold]

liner33 said:

Apparently 29% of those that have died of the delta variant had received both jabs so it’s not looking like the vaccine is going to be the road out of this

Apparently 71% of those that have died of the delta variant hadn't received both jabs so it looks as though getting a vaccine is going to be the road out of this.

[liner33]

JagLover said:

and what was the age and health condition of those people?, and what did they actually die of?

The vaccine does not prevent all infection. It reduces very significantly symptomatic infection, hospitalisations and death.

You don’t have to convince me but do you think that if even after the jab 100 people dying every day won’t give Boris a mandate to keep lockdowns and restrictions in place , he is wobbling when it’s less than 10!

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Maximus_Meridius101 said:

However, back on thread, Boris is being advised to delay for a month, but will he? Will he grow a pair of bks and lift all restrictions on the 21st? I hope so, but I doubt it.

I suspect more stuff will open up, like bigger weddings, funerals, stadiums etc. Forget going abroad this year or binning your muzzle. So generally less restrictions, but not a full 'it's all over, do as you please'. I think September will be interesting, when furlough ends and lots of people in the airline industry (and numerous others) are wondering what to do!

[rscott]

liner33 said:

chrispmartha said:

Wonder how it will affect vaccine takeup?

“i’m not bothering as its not making any difference”

Or

“I must get it as it will mean opening up quicker”

Apparently 29% of those that have died of the delta variant had received both jabs so it’s not looking like the vaccine is going to be the road out of this

How long since their second jab?

[survivalist]

More worryingly, 100% of people who have had both jabs are going to die. OMG

As Boris said back in March, although he may well deny it now, people will continue to die with/from covid. It's inevitable.

[Flooble]

poo at Paul's said:

Yes, that’s the point I made. They are looking for more time to be certain that the vaccine is the thing breaking the link, and indeed that that link is broken.
I reckon if we see the same trends we are seeing now, ie daily deaths like 0.1% of daily cases) for another few weeks, it will suggest the vaccines are working. The trend we saw in Sept started to go south within about 4 or 5 weeks. Oh, and for the back end of that, we saw the emergence of a new variant of concern, so there are parallels there.

I’ve not quoted the rest of your post, read it. FWIW, I think we will have seasonal lockdowns. It’s unlikely the vaccines will be a one treatment ticket, we will need boosters etc, and I think we will be in a critical period soon. The idea mooted is to carry on vaccinating for another few weeks to cover 90 percent with first jab, and 80 percent with second if press reports are to be believed.
But are we sure them octogenarians who had second jab in January will still be covered come say in late July when a revised freedom day comes up and everyone goes mad!

How many of the ocotgenerians who had their second jab in January will still be alive in July? Isn't it something like 6-10% chance of dying in any given year once you reach that age?!

[liner33]

survivalist said:

As Boris said back in March, although he may well deny it now, people will continue to die with/from covid. It's inevitable.

He did indeed i posted the quote earlier but not sure that will make a difference. Especially as "according to polls people are overwhelmingly supportive of a delay"

[V88Dicky]

‘Freedom Day’ has already happened in one of my locals.

No masks, no distancing and bar service (only)

Great jukebox, people laughing, singing and hugging.

Very refreshing

[Maximus_Meridius101]

liner33 said:

Apparently 29% of those that have died of the delta variant had received both jabs so it’s not looking like the vaccine is going to be the road out of this

There’s a concern, but with such a small sample size, it’s not going to result in people jumping up and down just yet. I think the delay is probably justified. However I’m firmly in the camp of ‘let it rip, whatever happens happens’.

[Jasandjules]

brickwall said:

And while those 2 people might have died “with” COVID, that’s not to say they died “of” COVID.

And even if they died “of” COVID, it’s quite possible they were of an age/health condition that *any* disease would present a material risk of death.

Is that a bit like those people who died last year "with" Covid, you know, the people in their 80s etc? For whom we shut down the entire nation and destroyed our economy? You know, within 28 days of a positive test. Those ones.

[anonymous-user]

Infections are rising rapidly at my kids schools. With entire years now being sent home, all sounds depressingly familiar.