Freedom Day, June 21st, will go ahead.
Poll: Freedom Day, June 21st, will go ahead.
Total Members Polled: 497
Discussion
Six Potter said:
Quite a lot of pessimism in these parts, I went down the yes route...
I think the data will show that despite the rise in cases due to this "Delta" variant, vaccine efficacy with mean hospitalisations and deaths will stay at low enough levels (fingas crost).
I think the government and public need to acknowedge that we can't stay in perma-lockdown indefinately, if people in the high risk groups refuse the vaccine having been given ample opportunity to have it, then that it rightly their choice, but they will have to bare the burden of risk from the effects of the virus, not the government or wider society. A line has to be drawn somewhere.
My bold.I think the data will show that despite the rise in cases due to this "Delta" variant, vaccine efficacy with mean hospitalisations and deaths will stay at low enough levels (fingas crost).
I think the government and public need to acknowedge that we can't stay in perma-lockdown indefinately, if people in the high risk groups refuse the vaccine having been given ample opportunity to have it, then that it rightly their choice, but they will have to bare the burden of risk from the effects of the virus, not the government or wider society. A line has to be drawn somewhere.
Presumably you now understand why so many us were pessimistic?
So boris has screwed the pooch again. Any credit for the vaccination program is wiped out.
The issue now is they delay for a month, what changes ? we were told the vaccinations would lead to relaxation of rules, that appears not to be the case, so he now needs to come up with a new reason for something coming in down the line. Be handy is that thing actually exists too.
Come winter we'll be in the same rules as 2020, regardless of any increases in infection/death rates.
It will be interesting to see what the public mood is, I'm inclined to think patience is wearing thin and people are just oigng to do what they want, a quiet rebellion if you will, which will undermine the government and reduce their ability to control things. Feels like the management of this is going to get worse before it gets better.
The issue now is they delay for a month, what changes ? we were told the vaccinations would lead to relaxation of rules, that appears not to be the case, so he now needs to come up with a new reason for something coming in down the line. Be handy is that thing actually exists too.
Come winter we'll be in the same rules as 2020, regardless of any increases in infection/death rates.
It will be interesting to see what the public mood is, I'm inclined to think patience is wearing thin and people are just oigng to do what they want, a quiet rebellion if you will, which will undermine the government and reduce their ability to control things. Feels like the management of this is going to get worse before it gets better.
Crafty_ said:
It will be interesting to see what the public mood is, I'm inclined to think patience is wearing thin and people are just oigng to do what they want, a quiet rebellion if you will, which will undermine the government and reduce their ability to control things. Feels like the management of this is going to get worse before it gets better.
Isn't nearly the whole of the public sector basically sat on it's fat arse on full pay? Don't expect those YouGov polls to change any time soon.grumbledoak said:
We've been strung along three weeks at a time for fifteen months. Only a Goldfish would expect anything else now.
And straight into the school holidays. I bet the teachers are gutted.
I am sure the next three week lockdown will do the trick. And straight into the school holidays. I bet the teachers are gutted.
"Flatten the curve and save the NHS" after all.
Crafty_ said:
So boris has screwed the pooch again. Any credit for the vaccination program is wiped out.
The issue now is they delay for a month, what changes ? we were told the vaccinations would lead to relaxation of rules, that appears not to be the case, so he now needs to come up with a new reason for something coming in down the line. Be handy is that thing actually exists too.
Come winter we'll be in the same rules as 2020, regardless of any increases in infection/death rates.
It will be interesting to see what the public mood is,,, I'm inclined to think patience is wearing thin and people are just oigng to do what they want, a quiet rebellion if you will, which will undermine the government and reduce their ability to control things. Feels like the management of this is going to get worse before it gets better.
Whilst I agree with your point and think we can't, and shouldn't stay in lockdown forever, I've heard the bolded bit every. single. lockdown. Anarchy is just round the corner!!! The issue now is they delay for a month, what changes ? we were told the vaccinations would lead to relaxation of rules, that appears not to be the case, so he now needs to come up with a new reason for something coming in down the line. Be handy is that thing actually exists too.
Come winter we'll be in the same rules as 2020, regardless of any increases in infection/death rates.
It will be interesting to see what the public mood is,,, I'm inclined to think patience is wearing thin and people are just oigng to do what they want, a quiet rebellion if you will, which will undermine the government and reduce their ability to control things. Feels like the management of this is going to get worse before it gets better.
When my wife or friends say it now I just chuckle. It seems the public appetite for lockdowns and controls just continues even if individuals are sick to death of it.
Look at the yougov stats, 53% are in favour of extending the 21st date.
It flabbers my gast. I'm sick of it.
Electro1980 said:
grumbledoak said:
Isn't nearly the whole of the public sector basically sat on it's fat arse on full pay? Don't expect those YouGov polls to change any time soon.
Er, no.Vanden Saab said:
Electro1980 said:
grumbledoak said:
Isn't nearly the whole of the public sector basically sat on it's fat arse on full pay? Don't expect those YouGov polls to change any time soon.
Er, no.remedy said:
Whilst I agree with your point and think we can't, and shouldn't stay in lockdown forever, I've heard the bolded bit every. single. lockdown. Anarchy is just round the corner!!!
When my wife or friends say it now I just chuckle. It seems the public appetite for lockdowns and controls just continues even if individuals are sick to death of it.
Look at the yougov stats, 53% are in favour of extending the 21st date.
It flabbers my gast. I'm sick of it.
If you bothered to read the rest of the sentence I was suggesting the complete opposite of "anarchy".When my wife or friends say it now I just chuckle. It seems the public appetite for lockdowns and controls just continues even if individuals are sick to death of it.
Look at the yougov stats, 53% are in favour of extending the 21st date.
It flabbers my gast. I'm sick of it.
There have always been a number of people deliberately ignoring the government, I think the number of people not adhereing strictly to the rules will grow.
grumbledoak said:
We've been strung along three weeks at a time for fifteen months. Only a Goldfish would expect anything else now.
And straight into the school holidays. I bet the teachers are gutted.
Why would this affect teachers? Schools are running normally where I live? And straight into the school holidays. I bet the teachers are gutted.
I'm not a teacher or related to one so I'm not standing up for them but I do have two kids In school who are going as normal except for slightly deviated start and finish times to try and cut crowds in the playground down.
Crafty_ said:
If you bothered to read the rest of the sentence I was suggesting the complete opposite of "anarchy".
There have always been a number of people deliberately ignoring the government, I think the number of people not adhereing strictly to the rules will grow.
I am seeing it pretty much everywhere; mask disobedience particularly.There have always been a number of people deliberately ignoring the government, I think the number of people not adhereing strictly to the rules will grow.
I expect there’ll be some tokenism on June 21st, but the substantive lifting will be delayed by a month.
The month buys time to:
- Get second jabs into the arms of a pile of 35-50 year olds, and pretty much remove them from hospitalisation risk
- Get first jabs into a pile more 20-30 year olds, which wouldn’t have much effect on hospitalisations (as that age group doesn’t tend to end up in hospital if they catch it) but will reduce transmission and risk of transfer to the small number of higher-risk unvaccinated individuals
A month could buy time for another 3 million jabs, which might raise the first jab rate to >65% (from about 55 today) and the second jab rate to >50% (from about 40% today)
The month buys time to:
- Get second jabs into the arms of a pile of 35-50 year olds, and pretty much remove them from hospitalisation risk
- Get first jabs into a pile more 20-30 year olds, which wouldn’t have much effect on hospitalisations (as that age group doesn’t tend to end up in hospital if they catch it) but will reduce transmission and risk of transfer to the small number of higher-risk unvaccinated individuals
A month could buy time for another 3 million jabs, which might raise the first jab rate to >65% (from about 55 today) and the second jab rate to >50% (from about 40% today)
Vanden Saab said:
Electro1980 said:
grumbledoak said:
Isn't nearly the whole of the public sector basically sat on it's fat arse on full pay? Don't expect those YouGov polls to change any time soon.
Er, no.https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/welsh-...
brickwall said:
I expect there’ll be some tokenism on June 21st, but the substantive lifting will be delayed by a month.
The month buys time to:
- Get second jabs into the arms of a pile of 35-50 year olds, and pretty much remove them from hospitalisation risk
- Get first jabs into a pile more 20-30 year olds, which wouldn’t have much effect on hospitalisations (as that age group doesn’t tend to end up in hospital if they catch it) but will reduce transmission and risk of transfer to the small number of higher-risk unvaccinated individuals
A month could buy time for another 3 million jabs, which might raise the first jab rate to >65% (from about 55 today) and the second jab rate to >50% (from about 40% today)
Do we blame those refusing to get the vaccine?The month buys time to:
- Get second jabs into the arms of a pile of 35-50 year olds, and pretty much remove them from hospitalisation risk
- Get first jabs into a pile more 20-30 year olds, which wouldn’t have much effect on hospitalisations (as that age group doesn’t tend to end up in hospital if they catch it) but will reduce transmission and risk of transfer to the small number of higher-risk unvaccinated individuals
A month could buy time for another 3 million jabs, which might raise the first jab rate to >65% (from about 55 today) and the second jab rate to >50% (from about 40% today)
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...
https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news/2021/covid...
Byker28i said:
brickwall said:
I expect there’ll be some tokenism on June 21st, but the substantive lifting will be delayed by a month.
The month buys time to:
- Get second jabs into the arms of a pile of 35-50 year olds, and pretty much remove them from hospitalisation risk
- Get first jabs into a pile more 20-30 year olds, which wouldn’t have much effect on hospitalisations (as that age group doesn’t tend to end up in hospital if they catch it) but will reduce transmission and risk of transfer to the small number of higher-risk unvaccinated individuals
A month could buy time for another 3 million jabs, which might raise the first jab rate to >65% (from about 55 today) and the second jab rate to >50% (from about 40% today)
Do we blame those refusing to get the vaccine?The month buys time to:
- Get second jabs into the arms of a pile of 35-50 year olds, and pretty much remove them from hospitalisation risk
- Get first jabs into a pile more 20-30 year olds, which wouldn’t have much effect on hospitalisations (as that age group doesn’t tend to end up in hospital if they catch it) but will reduce transmission and risk of transfer to the small number of higher-risk unvaccinated individuals
A month could buy time for another 3 million jabs, which might raise the first jab rate to >65% (from about 55 today) and the second jab rate to >50% (from about 40% today)
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...
https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news/2021/covid...
brickwall said:
I expect there’ll be some tokenism on June 21st, but the substantive lifting will be delayed by a month.
The month buys time to:
- Get second jabs into the arms of a pile of 35-50 year olds, and pretty much remove them from hospitalisation risk
- Get first jabs into a pile more 20-30 year olds, which wouldn’t have much effect on hospitalisations (as that age group doesn’t tend to end up in hospital if they catch it) but will reduce transmission and risk of transfer to the small number of higher-risk unvaccinated individuals
A month could buy time for another 3 million jabs, which might raise the first jab rate to >65% (from about 55 today) and the second jab rate to >50% (from about 40% today)
According to https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ first jab rate is 78% and second 55%.The month buys time to:
- Get second jabs into the arms of a pile of 35-50 year olds, and pretty much remove them from hospitalisation risk
- Get first jabs into a pile more 20-30 year olds, which wouldn’t have much effect on hospitalisations (as that age group doesn’t tend to end up in hospital if they catch it) but will reduce transmission and risk of transfer to the small number of higher-risk unvaccinated individuals
A month could buy time for another 3 million jabs, which might raise the first jab rate to >65% (from about 55 today) and the second jab rate to >50% (from about 40% today)
The vaccination scheme has gone as well as they coud have hoped, if not better. If they give the excuse that another month lets them vaccinate more people they will forever delay until 100% of people have been jabbed.
Whats going to happen is when the kids are on summer holiday, rates will drop, Boris will use that as vindication for delay, come September/October they'll go up again and we'll be back to the same restrictions as last winter. I will not be surprised to see restaraunts and pubs close again in the winter.
If we are going to get in to this cycle Boris needs to come clean and admit that there is nothing that can break it - we were told it was going to be vaccinations, its proving not to be the case.
Any headway that we gained with the vaccination program is now lost - far from his cries of getting the country moving again, it seems we'll be forever bouncing between restriction levels.
Edited by Crafty_ on Saturday 12th June 10:12
Vanden Saab said:
Electro1980 said:
grumbledoak said:
Isn't nearly the whole of the public sector basically sat on it's fat arse on full pay? Don't expect those YouGov polls to change any time soon.
Er, no.Randy Winkman said:
Vanden Saab said:
Electro1980 said:
grumbledoak said:
Isn't nearly the whole of the public sector basically sat on it's fat arse on full pay? Don't expect those YouGov polls to change any time soon.
Er, no.On the other hand, I know lots of private sector employees who have been furloughed.
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