Freedom Day, June 21st, will go ahead.

Freedom Day, June 21st, will go ahead.

Poll: Freedom Day, June 21st, will go ahead.

Total Members Polled: 497

Yes it will.: 9%
No it won't.: 89%
Other - explain yourself.: 2%
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Smoggy XJR

550 posts

71 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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Norfolk Enchants?

TheJimi

25,010 posts

244 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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Six Potter said:
Quite a lot of pessimism in these parts, I went down the yes route...
I think the data will show that despite the rise in cases due to this "Delta" variant, vaccine efficacy with mean hospitalisations and deaths will stay at low enough levels (fingas crost).

I think the government and public need to acknowedge that we can't stay in perma-lockdown indefinately, if people in the high risk groups refuse the vaccine having been given ample opportunity to have it, then that it rightly their choice, but they will have to bare the burden of risk from the effects of the virus, not the government or wider society. A line has to be drawn somewhere.
My bold.

Presumably you now understand why so many us were pessimistic?

Crafty_

13,297 posts

201 months

Friday 11th June 2021
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So boris has screwed the pooch again. Any credit for the vaccination program is wiped out.

The issue now is they delay for a month, what changes ? we were told the vaccinations would lead to relaxation of rules, that appears not to be the case, so he now needs to come up with a new reason for something coming in down the line. Be handy is that thing actually exists too.

Come winter we'll be in the same rules as 2020, regardless of any increases in infection/death rates.

It will be interesting to see what the public mood is, I'm inclined to think patience is wearing thin and people are just oigng to do what they want, a quiet rebellion if you will, which will undermine the government and reduce their ability to control things. Feels like the management of this is going to get worse before it gets better.

grumbledoak

31,545 posts

234 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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Crafty_ said:
It will be interesting to see what the public mood is, I'm inclined to think patience is wearing thin and people are just oigng to do what they want, a quiet rebellion if you will, which will undermine the government and reduce their ability to control things. Feels like the management of this is going to get worse before it gets better.
Isn't nearly the whole of the public sector basically sat on it's fat arse on full pay? Don't expect those YouGov polls to change any time soon.

JagLover

42,444 posts

236 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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grumbledoak said:
We've been strung along three weeks at a time for fifteen months. Only a Goldfish would expect anything else now.

And straight into the school holidays. I bet the teachers are gutted.
I am sure the next three week lockdown will do the trick. smile

"Flatten the curve and save the NHS" after all.

remedy

1,650 posts

192 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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Crafty_ said:
So boris has screwed the pooch again. Any credit for the vaccination program is wiped out.

The issue now is they delay for a month, what changes ? we were told the vaccinations would lead to relaxation of rules, that appears not to be the case, so he now needs to come up with a new reason for something coming in down the line. Be handy is that thing actually exists too.

Come winter we'll be in the same rules as 2020, regardless of any increases in infection/death rates.

It will be interesting to see what the public mood is,,, I'm inclined to think patience is wearing thin and people are just oigng to do what they want, a quiet rebellion if you will, which will undermine the government and reduce their ability to control things. Feels like the management of this is going to get worse before it gets better.
Whilst I agree with your point and think we can't, and shouldn't stay in lockdown forever, I've heard the bolded bit every. single. lockdown. Anarchy is just round the corner!!!
When my wife or friends say it now I just chuckle. It seems the public appetite for lockdowns and controls just continues even if individuals are sick to death of it.
Look at the yougov stats, 53% are in favour of extending the 21st date.

It flabbers my gast. I'm sick of it.

Electro1980

8,308 posts

140 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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grumbledoak said:
Isn't nearly the whole of the public sector basically sat on it's fat arse on full pay? Don't expect those YouGov polls to change any time soon.
Er, no.

Vanden Saab

14,127 posts

75 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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Electro1980 said:
grumbledoak said:
Isn't nearly the whole of the public sector basically sat on it's fat arse on full pay? Don't expect those YouGov polls to change any time soon.
Er, no.
On full pay I believe so, have any public sector workers been furloughed, I do not know any although I know a few working from home.

hotchy

4,474 posts

127 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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Vanden Saab said:
Electro1980 said:
grumbledoak said:
Isn't nearly the whole of the public sector basically sat on it's fat arse on full pay? Don't expect those YouGov polls to change any time soon.
Er, no.
On full pay I believe so, have any public sector workers been furloughed, I do not know any although I know a few working from home.
I know plumber's furloughed for the first 6 months. Since then I don't know any.

Crafty_

13,297 posts

201 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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remedy said:
Whilst I agree with your point and think we can't, and shouldn't stay in lockdown forever, I've heard the bolded bit every. single. lockdown. Anarchy is just round the corner!!!
When my wife or friends say it now I just chuckle. It seems the public appetite for lockdowns and controls just continues even if individuals are sick to death of it.
Look at the yougov stats, 53% are in favour of extending the 21st date.

It flabbers my gast. I'm sick of it.
If you bothered to read the rest of the sentence I was suggesting the complete opposite of "anarchy".
There have always been a number of people deliberately ignoring the government, I think the number of people not adhereing strictly to the rules will grow.

Jamescrs

4,486 posts

66 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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grumbledoak said:
We've been strung along three weeks at a time for fifteen months. Only a Goldfish would expect anything else now.

And straight into the school holidays. I bet the teachers are gutted.
Why would this affect teachers? Schools are running normally where I live?

I'm not a teacher or related to one so I'm not standing up for them but I do have two kids In school who are going as normal except for slightly deviated start and finish times to try and cut crowds in the playground down.

Louis Balfour

Original Poster:

26,304 posts

223 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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Crafty_ said:
If you bothered to read the rest of the sentence I was suggesting the complete opposite of "anarchy".
There have always been a number of people deliberately ignoring the government, I think the number of people not adhereing strictly to the rules will grow.
I am seeing it pretty much everywhere; mask disobedience particularly.

brickwall

5,250 posts

211 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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I expect there’ll be some tokenism on June 21st, but the substantive lifting will be delayed by a month.

The month buys time to:
- Get second jabs into the arms of a pile of 35-50 year olds, and pretty much remove them from hospitalisation risk
- Get first jabs into a pile more 20-30 year olds, which wouldn’t have much effect on hospitalisations (as that age group doesn’t tend to end up in hospital if they catch it) but will reduce transmission and risk of transfer to the small number of higher-risk unvaccinated individuals

A month could buy time for another 3 million jabs, which might raise the first jab rate to >65% (from about 55 today) and the second jab rate to >50% (from about 40% today)

Byker28i

60,131 posts

218 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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Vanden Saab said:
Electro1980 said:
grumbledoak said:
Isn't nearly the whole of the public sector basically sat on it's fat arse on full pay? Don't expect those YouGov polls to change any time soon.
Er, no.
On full pay I believe so, have any public sector workers been furloughed, I do not know any although I know a few working from home.
Many council staff were furloughed across the UK. I.e. in Wales...
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/welsh-...

Byker28i

60,131 posts

218 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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brickwall said:
I expect there’ll be some tokenism on June 21st, but the substantive lifting will be delayed by a month.

The month buys time to:
- Get second jabs into the arms of a pile of 35-50 year olds, and pretty much remove them from hospitalisation risk
- Get first jabs into a pile more 20-30 year olds, which wouldn’t have much effect on hospitalisations (as that age group doesn’t tend to end up in hospital if they catch it) but will reduce transmission and risk of transfer to the small number of higher-risk unvaccinated individuals

A month could buy time for another 3 million jabs, which might raise the first jab rate to >65% (from about 55 today) and the second jab rate to >50% (from about 40% today)
Do we blame those refusing to get the vaccine?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...
https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news/2021/covid...

valiant

10,265 posts

161 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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Byker28i said:
brickwall said:
I expect there’ll be some tokenism on June 21st, but the substantive lifting will be delayed by a month.

The month buys time to:
- Get second jabs into the arms of a pile of 35-50 year olds, and pretty much remove them from hospitalisation risk
- Get first jabs into a pile more 20-30 year olds, which wouldn’t have much effect on hospitalisations (as that age group doesn’t tend to end up in hospital if they catch it) but will reduce transmission and risk of transfer to the small number of higher-risk unvaccinated individuals

A month could buy time for another 3 million jabs, which might raise the first jab rate to >65% (from about 55 today) and the second jab rate to >50% (from about 40% today)
Do we blame those refusing to get the vaccine?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunit...
https://www.lshtm.ac.uk/newsevents/news/2021/covid...
Someone will be blamed that’s for sure and it won’t be Boris&co.

Crafty_

13,297 posts

201 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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brickwall said:
I expect there’ll be some tokenism on June 21st, but the substantive lifting will be delayed by a month.

The month buys time to:
- Get second jabs into the arms of a pile of 35-50 year olds, and pretty much remove them from hospitalisation risk
- Get first jabs into a pile more 20-30 year olds, which wouldn’t have much effect on hospitalisations (as that age group doesn’t tend to end up in hospital if they catch it) but will reduce transmission and risk of transfer to the small number of higher-risk unvaccinated individuals

A month could buy time for another 3 million jabs, which might raise the first jab rate to >65% (from about 55 today) and the second jab rate to >50% (from about 40% today)
According to https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ first jab rate is 78% and second 55%.

The vaccination scheme has gone as well as they coud have hoped, if not better. If they give the excuse that another month lets them vaccinate more people they will forever delay until 100% of people have been jabbed.

Whats going to happen is when the kids are on summer holiday, rates will drop, Boris will use that as vindication for delay, come September/October they'll go up again and we'll be back to the same restrictions as last winter. I will not be surprised to see restaraunts and pubs close again in the winter.

If we are going to get in to this cycle Boris needs to come clean and admit that there is nothing that can break it - we were told it was going to be vaccinations, its proving not to be the case.

Any headway that we gained with the vaccination program is now lost - far from his cries of getting the country moving again, it seems we'll be forever bouncing between restriction levels.

Edited by Crafty_ on Saturday 12th June 10:12

Randy Winkman

16,169 posts

190 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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Vanden Saab said:
Electro1980 said:
grumbledoak said:
Isn't nearly the whole of the public sector basically sat on it's fat arse on full pay? Don't expect those YouGov polls to change any time soon.
Er, no.
On full pay I believe so, have any public sector workers been furloughed, I do not know any although I know a few working from home.
Can Grumbledoak tell us who are the public sector workers he's thinking of?

Louis Balfour

Original Poster:

26,304 posts

223 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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BBC news this morning seemed all about a delay of some sort, probably 4 weeks.

lauda

3,483 posts

208 months

Saturday 12th June 2021
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Randy Winkman said:
Vanden Saab said:
Electro1980 said:
grumbledoak said:
Isn't nearly the whole of the public sector basically sat on it's fat arse on full pay? Don't expect those YouGov polls to change any time soon.
Er, no.
On full pay I believe so, have any public sector workers been furloughed, I do not know any although I know a few working from home.
Can Grumbledoak tell us who are the public sector workers he's thinking of?
Indeed. My work involves engagement with the NHS, DfE, MoD and the Civil Service. Probably the four largest public sector employers and none of my contacts have been furloughed. Most of them have been working their arses off.

On the other hand, I know lots of private sector employees who have been furloughed.