First transgender athlete to compete at Olympics

[Andeh1]

ZedLeg said:

The idea that anyone would go through the long and arduous process of transitioning purely to get an advantage in sport would be laughable if it wasn’t so insulting to trans people.

You're kidding right? Hasn't the entire industry of sport ALWAYS had that [medical abuse] as a shadow.....Steroids...!?

Edited by Andeh1 on Monday 21st June 15:51

[Dromedary66]

If that fella is allowed to compete in Women's strength sports then I see no reason why this chap can't enter the Governing Council of the Cat Fancy Cat of the Year competition.

[ZedLeg]

Northernboy said:

eldar said:

Care to suggest a motive in this case?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/11/tr...

As Zed says, prolific and violent sexual offender "Karen" white is just another woman to him, and the fact that "she" has a penis and uses it to rape people doesn't mean that we should be man by saying that she's actually a man.

This case is obviously awful but that person is clearly an outlier, a tiny minority in a tiny minority.

Is this case worse than instances of cisgendered people assaulting other prisoners?

[bazza white]

Dromedary66 said:

If that fella is allowed to compete in Women's strength sports then I see no reason why this chap can't enter the Governing Council of the Cat Fancy Cat of the Year competition.

Would also have to identify as being alive which may be pushing it.

[mick987]

Andeh1 said:

You're kidding right? Hasn't the entire industry of sport ALWAYS has that as a shadow? Steroids....!?

I am pretty sure you have made my point.

[Northernboy]

chrispmartha said:

What’s gender?

Read the gender equality act, over 100 genders? Well in the UK there are 2 legal genders and a person can change theres.

You don’t think men can be women, legally you’re wrong.

Gender equality act? Do you mean the equality act? The one that doesn’t mention gender as a protected characteristic but does mention sex?

Anyway, what are you using “gender” to mean here?

[Northernboy]

ZedLeg said:

This case is obviously awful but that person is clearly an outlier, a tiny minority in a tiny minority.

Is this case worse than instances of cisgendered people assaulting other prisoners?

Oh, it’s only a minority? Let’s not worry about it then. If there are already assaults by women then why not just let male rapists in there too.

And you say that you don’t have an issue with women?

[ZedLeg]

Northernboy said:

Oh, it’s only a minority? Let’s not worry about it then. If there are already assaults by women then why not just let male rapists in there too.

And you say that you don’t have an issue with women?

Yes, that’s what I was saying.

Instead of focusing on a tiny minority that supports your agenda why not look at why vulnerable prisoners aren’t better protected against assault in general.

I noticed you disregarded my question about assaults between cisgendered people in prison.

[Northernboy]

ZedLeg said:

Yes, that’s what I was saying.

Instead of focusing on a tiny minority that supports your agenda why not look at why vulnerable prisoners aren’t better protected against assault in general.

I noticed you disregarded my question about assaults between cisgendered people in prison.

I didn’t ignore it, I mentioned it.

Now, are you actually going to say what your definition of woman is?

[768]

ZedLeg said:

This case is obviously awful but that person is clearly an outlier, a tiny minority in a tiny minority.

A bit like Olympic athletes then.

[NickCQ]

ZedLeg said:

This case is obviously awful but that person is clearly an outlier, a tiny minority in a tiny minority.
Is this case worse than instances of cisgendered people assaulting other prisoners?

It's a failure of society's duty of care towards female prisoners. Something like 80% of female prisoners have been victims of domestic abuse or sexual assault in their lives at the hands of men (http://www.prisonreformtrust.org.uk/PressPolicy/News/vw/1/ItemID/494). Male violence is the dark underside of a patriarchal society, and it's exactly why we have safe spaces for women in the first place. To allow someone into that environment that has been coded as male by society from birth, and is male by biological sex, is unconscionable.

[ZedLeg]

Northernboy said:

ZedLeg said:

Yes, that’s what I was saying.

Instead of focusing on a tiny minority that supports your agenda why not look at why vulnerable prisoners aren’t better protected against assault in general.

I noticed you disregarded my question about assaults between cisgendered people in prison.

I didn’t ignore it, I mentioned it.

Now, are you actually going to say what your definition of woman is?

Nah, I tried to have a reasonable discussion with you and you insinuated that I was fine with people being raped in prison. Good luck to you mate.

[Northernboy]

ZedLeg said:

Nah, I tried to have a reasonable discussion with you and you insinuated that I was fine with people being raped in prison. Good luck to you mate.

Well yes, you’ve explicitly said that it’s not much of a problem.

And of course you won’t give a definition, you don’t have one that doesn’t make your whole argument collapse.

But hey, it’s only women being harmed here, so no need for you to be concerned.

[Newc]

Northernboy said:

Lots of sensible stuff

Haven't got time today to pitch in on every post but just wanted to say you are bang on with everything you have said.

[chrispmartha]

Northernboy said:

chrispmartha said:

What’s gender?

Read the gender equality act, over 100 genders? Well in the UK there are 2 legal genders and a person can change theres.

You don’t think men can be women, legally you’re wrong.

Gender equality act? Do you mean the equality act? The one that doesn’t mention gender as a protected characteristic but does mention sex?

Anyway, what are you using “gender” to mean here?

It does mention gender reassignment

“ A person has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment if the person is proposing to undergo, is undergoing or has undergone a process (or part of a process) for the purpose of reassigning the person's sex by changing physiological or other attributes of sex.”


Im using gender as in the term that is used here

https://www.gov.uk/apply-gender-recognition-certif...

[rover 623gsi]

Gender reassignment is the protected characteristic - not gender.

A small but very significant difference that Stonewall has been trying (quite successfully) to gloss over. Fortunately more people are starting to wise up and question the insidious influence that stonewall has had on so many private and public organisations.

[SCEtoAUX]

Vickers_VC10 said:

Cheating. Simple as that.

Yep. Of course the woke do gooders won't see it that way.

[768]

A guest on GB News (developmental biologist) was just saying multiple studies have shown that the 12 month treatment to meet the IOC's rules to compete as a woman result in around a 5% reduction in muscle mass versus a 40% difference between men and women.

[Sheets Tabuer]

It's been a long hard slog to inclusion, lets hope this wins NZ some medals.

[Rick1.8t]

chrispmartha said:

Rick1.8t said:

chrispmartha said:

What if they disagree with you?

How long will they disagree if female sport becomes dominated by trans athletes?

A few golds at the olympics should test many a female athletes patience I imagine, I wouldnt be to happy if serveral decades of hard work were ruled irrelevant by the introduction of trans athletes competing against me.

I don’t know, but a man saying that women should do something isn’t exactly sticking up for women’s rights is it.

Female sports being dominated by trans athletes isn’t likely to happen any time soon.

A single gold medal won by a trans woman would be enough to ruin that competition for all of the non trans competitors, again imagine dedicating decades of your life to something, reaching the top of the sport to be denied a fair chance at winning.