First transgender athlete to compete at Olympics

[Gecko1978]

ZedLeg said:

There’s a boxer called Patricio Manuel who was a good amateur boxer pre transition and won their first pro fight post.

Also Mack Begg, a college wrestler who’s trans. He wants to wrestle men but hasn’t been allowed. He dominated the girls divisions in high school and was booed when he won.

Patricio Manuel has won 1 fight....great but hardly top flight

Mack Begg - won while transitioning to male and taking testosterone....which as a keen gym goer myself I am aware will help one build strength like nothing else. So he breezed through the women's category but was barred from wrestling men.

So neither of your examples are Trans men competing in the top flight with CIS men. An look it may happen one day but I highly doubt it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_Lesnar springs to mind, take all the hormones you want and have the surgery but a trans male is never going to compete with someone like this and I would not want Broc to fight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gina_Carano

Though there are a few clips on youtube of Gina kicking some regular guys asses who are not fighters, but even if you reduced Brock's testosterone he would literally be ripping heads off and its not a level playing field then.

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The world has gone mad. If there was one single thing that could set women's sport back by decades this is it

[ZedLeg]

Gecko1978 said:

Patricio Manuel has won 1 fight....great but hardly top flight

Mack Begg - won while transitioning to male and taking testosterone....which as a keen gym goer myself I am aware will help one build strength like nothing else. So he breezed through the women's category but was barred from wrestling men.

So neither of your examples are Trans men competing in the top flight with CIS men. An look it may happen one day but I highly doubt it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_Lesnar springs to mind, take all the hormones you want and have the surgery but a trans male is never going to compete with someone like this and I would not want Broc to fight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gina_Carano

Though there are a few clips on youtube of Gina kicking some regular guys asses who are not fighters, but even if you reduced Brock's testosterone he would literally be ripping heads off and its not a level playing field then.

Ridiculous comparison, Brock is twice the size of Gina Carano.

Brock is also a freak of nature, there are very few men in the world that can go toe to toe with him.

I’m 6’4 and about 20stone, I wouldn’t fancy my chances against Gina.

[Newc]

chrispmartha said:

Newc said:

Nonsense. The topic of trans people has suddenly blown up because a bunch of noisy activists have decided to make it a thing, for reasons which aren't entirely clear but are probably rooted somewhere in their continued access to money and funding.

Calls my post nonsense then comes out with an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory. Ok.

Well let's break it down a bit, see if we can help you with your comprehension.

Nonsense - opinion
The topic of trans people has suddenly blown up - fact
a bunch of noisy activists have decided to make it a thing - fact
for reasons which aren't entirely clear - fact
rooted somewhere in their continued access to money and funding - opinion, based on extensive experience of the way pressure groups get cash

[amusingduck]

Gecko1978 said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_Lesnar springs to mind, take all the hormones you want

Pretty sure he did!

[RobbieTheTruth]

ZedLeg said:

Gecko1978 said:

Patricio Manuel has won 1 fight....great but hardly top flight

Mack Begg - won while transitioning to male and taking testosterone....which as a keen gym goer myself I am aware will help one build strength like nothing else. So he breezed through the women's category but was barred from wrestling men.

So neither of your examples are Trans men competing in the top flight with CIS men. An look it may happen one day but I highly doubt it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_Lesnar springs to mind, take all the hormones you want and have the surgery but a trans male is never going to compete with someone like this and I would not want Broc to fight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gina_Carano

Though there are a few clips on youtube of Gina kicking some regular guys asses who are not fighters, but even if you reduced Brock's testosterone he would literally be ripping heads off and its not a level playing field then.

Ridiculous comparison, Brock is twice the size of Gina Carano.

Brock is also a freak of nature, there are very few men in the world that can go toe to toe with him.

I’m 6’4 and about 20stone, I wouldn’t fancy my chances against Gina.

So I'm guessing you don't want Brock to start identifying as a woman?

What happens if he does? Would you want him entering the female UFC Heavyweight Division where he'd be able to kill someone?

What if he agrees to testosterone lowering for 12 months?

[chrispmartha]

Newc said:

chrispmartha said:

Newc said:

Nonsense. The topic of trans people has suddenly blown up because a bunch of noisy activists have decided to make it a thing, for reasons which aren't entirely clear but are probably rooted somewhere in their continued access to money and funding.

Calls my post nonsense then comes out with an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory. Ok.

Well let's break it down a bit, see if we can help you with your comprehension.

Nonsense - opinion
The topic of trans people has suddenly blown up - fact
a bunch of noisy activists have decided to make it a thing - fact
for reasons which aren't entirely clear - fact
rooted somewhere in their continued access to money and funding - opinion, based on extensive experience of the way pressure groups get cash

My comprehension is fine, writing fact after something doesn’t make it one.

[survivalist]

RobbieTheTruth said:

ZedLeg said:

Gecko1978 said:

Patricio Manuel has won 1 fight....great but hardly top flight

Mack Begg - won while transitioning to male and taking testosterone....which as a keen gym goer myself I am aware will help one build strength like nothing else. So he breezed through the women's category but was barred from wrestling men.

So neither of your examples are Trans men competing in the top flight with CIS men. An look it may happen one day but I highly doubt it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_Lesnar springs to mind, take all the hormones you want and have the surgery but a trans male is never going to compete with someone like this and I would not want Broc to fight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gina_Carano

Though there are a few clips on youtube of Gina kicking some regular guys asses who are not fighters, but even if you reduced Brock's testosterone he would literally be ripping heads off and its not a level playing field then.

Ridiculous comparison, Brock is twice the size of Gina Carano.

Brock is also a freak of nature, there are very few men in the world that can go toe to toe with him.

I’m 6’4 and about 20stone, I wouldn’t fancy my chances against Gina.

So I'm guessing you don't want Brock to start identifying as a woman?

What happens if he does? Would you want him entering the female UFC Heavyweight Division where he'd be able to kill someone?

What if he agrees to testosterone lowering for 12 months?

I recon we are probably only a couple of years away from me identifying as a 5 year old boy and kicking the st our of everyone in my sons karate class.

Happy days…

Edited by survivalist on Monday 21st June 22:01

[RobbieTheTruth]

chrispmartha said:

Newc said:

chrispmartha said:

Newc said:

Nonsense. The topic of trans people has suddenly blown up because a bunch of noisy activists have decided to make it a thing, for reasons which aren't entirely clear but are probably rooted somewhere in their continued access to money and funding.

Calls my post nonsense then comes out with an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory. Ok.

Well let's break it down a bit, see if we can help you with your comprehension.

Nonsense - opinion
The topic of trans people has suddenly blown up - fact
a bunch of noisy activists have decided to make it a thing - fact
for reasons which aren't entirely clear - fact
rooted somewhere in their continued access to money and funding - opinion, based on extensive experience of the way pressure groups get cash

My comprehension is fine, writing fact after something doesn’t make it one.

If Brock Lesnar started identifying as a woman, would you be happy with her competing in UFC?

[Dagnir]

Bacon Is Proof said:

ZedLeg said:

Is it 100% accepted that there is an advantage? I’d like to see that evidence.

You'd like to see the evidence that men are stronger than women?
Your position is ridiculous.

I'm going with troll. It's literally unbelievable.

[ZedLeg]

RobbieTheTruth said:

ZedLeg said:

Gecko1978 said:

Patricio Manuel has won 1 fight....great but hardly top flight

Mack Begg - won while transitioning to male and taking testosterone....which as a keen gym goer myself I am aware will help one build strength like nothing else. So he breezed through the women's category but was barred from wrestling men.

So neither of your examples are Trans men competing in the top flight with CIS men. An look it may happen one day but I highly doubt it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_Lesnar springs to mind, take all the hormones you want and have the surgery but a trans male is never going to compete with someone like this and I would not want Broc to fight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gina_Carano

Though there are a few clips on youtube of Gina kicking some regular guys asses who are not fighters, but even if you reduced Brock's testosterone he would literally be ripping heads off and its not a level playing field then.

Ridiculous comparison, Brock is twice the size of Gina Carano.

Brock is also a freak of nature, there are very few men in the world that can go toe to toe with him.

I’m 6’4 and about 20stone, I wouldn’t fancy my chances against Gina.

So I'm guessing you don't want Brock to start identifying as a woman?

What happens if he does? Would you want him entering the female UFC Heavyweight Division where he'd be able to kill someone?

What if he agrees to testosterone lowering for 12 months?

There isn’t a women’s heavyweight division.

[RobbieTheTruth]

ZedLeg said:

RobbieTheTruth said:

ZedLeg said:

Gecko1978 said:

Patricio Manuel has won 1 fight....great but hardly top flight

Mack Begg - won while transitioning to male and taking testosterone....which as a keen gym goer myself I am aware will help one build strength like nothing else. So he breezed through the women's category but was barred from wrestling men.

So neither of your examples are Trans men competing in the top flight with CIS men. An look it may happen one day but I highly doubt it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_Lesnar springs to mind, take all the hormones you want and have the surgery but a trans male is never going to compete with someone like this and I would not want Broc to fight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gina_Carano

Though there are a few clips on youtube of Gina kicking some regular guys asses who are not fighters, but even if you reduced Brock's testosterone he would literally be ripping heads off and its not a level playing field then.

Ridiculous comparison, Brock is twice the size of Gina Carano.

Brock is also a freak of nature, there are very few men in the world that can go toe to toe with him.

I’m 6’4 and about 20stone, I wouldn’t fancy my chances against Gina.

So I'm guessing you don't want Brock to start identifying as a woman?

What happens if he does? Would you want him entering the female UFC Heavyweight Division where he'd be able to kill someone?

What if he agrees to testosterone lowering for 12 months?

There isn’t a women’s heavyweight division.

There is a women's heavyweight boxing division.

No 2 in the world is 51 year old, 5 ft 5 Laura Ramsay

Same question for Anthony Joshua. If Anthony identifies as a woman, do you think that fight should legally be sanctioned?

[ZedLeg]

RobbieTheTruth said:

There is a women's heavyweight boxing division.

No 2 in the world is 51 year old, 5 ft 5 Laura Ramsay

Same question for Anthony Joshua. If Anthony identifies as a woman, do you think that fight should legally be sanctioned?

If that situation were to arise, there’s nothing to stop them applying for their license. It’s not like someone would be forced to fight them.

[Gecko1978]

amusingduck said:

Gecko1978 said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_Lesnar springs to mind, take all the hormones you want

Pretty sure he did!

Hahaha I would like to see Brock identify as a Ursidae and fight a bear. Oh an there is no womens UFC heavy weight as simply no women have fought at over 93kg but hey if Brock transitions then we might be able to find him an opponent maybe Gina could pile on the pounds.

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ZedLeg said:

RobbieTheTruth said:

There is a women's heavyweight boxing division.

No 2 in the world is 51 year old, 5 ft 5 Laura Ramsay

Same question for Anthony Joshua. If Anthony identifies as a woman, do you think that fight should legally be sanctioned?

If that situation were to arise, there’s nothing to stop them applying for their license. It’s not like someone would be forced to fight them.

I'd hope someone would be charged if that went ahead. Whatever it is, it isn't sport at that point.

What would be the point in women's boxing then? Why would anyone born a girl bother to compete from that point on? The natural conclusion is the end of competitive women's sport.

[Gecko1978]

ZedLeg said:

RobbieTheTruth said:

There is a women's heavyweight boxing division.

No 2 in the world is 51 year old, 5 ft 5 Laura Ramsay

Same question for Anthony Joshua. If Anthony identifies as a woman, do you think that fight should legally be sanctioned?

If that situation were to arise, there’s nothing to stop them applying for their license. It’s not like someone would be forced to fight them.

I also don't think Anthony Joshua or Tyson Fury actually want to kill someone in the ring who might believe they are the same but genitically are not.

Fallon Fox famously dominated in UFC (until she lost to a CIS women) when you watch her fights the difference is clear and its nothing to do with technique its because Fox is different because she was born a man. When Ashleigh smith beat her it was frankly a horrible fight but then again Fallons fight where she fractured her opponents skull was not exactly pretty.

Day to day I am fairly certain Trans and CIS women are basically the same, in sport they are not their differences give Tans women an advantage and in some cases can actually present a genuine risk to CIS opponents.

An that is what we are talking about sport not Trans rights in sports its about making it a level field as best we can.

[RobbieTheTruth]

ZedLeg said:

RobbieTheTruth said:

There is a women's heavyweight boxing division.

No 2 in the world is 51 year old, 5 ft 5 Laura Ramsay

Same question for Anthony Joshua. If Anthony identifies as a woman, do you think that fight should legally be sanctioned?

If that situation were to arise, there’s nothing to stop them applying for their license. It’s not like someone would be forced to fight them.

If the situation ever arises that a male heavyweight boxer (who tend to be around 6ft 4, 240 pounds) want to identify as a female, that's you're argument??

Women don't have to fight them?

They would if they wanted to keep their belt that they'd worked all their life for.

[RobbieTheTruth]

RobbieTheTruth said:

ZedLeg said:

RobbieTheTruth said:

There is a women's heavyweight boxing division.

No 2 in the world is 51 year old, 5 ft 5 Laura Ramsay

Same question for Anthony Joshua. If Anthony identifies as a woman, do you think that fight should legally be sanctioned?

If that situation were to arise, there’s nothing to stop them applying for their license. It’s not like someone would be forced to fight them.

If the situation ever arises that a male heavyweight boxer (who tend to be around 6ft 4, 240 pounds) want to identify as a female, that's you're argument??

Women don't have to fight them?

They would if they wanted to keep their belt that they'd worked all their life for.

And of course the situation will arise.

Not Joshua - but a competent male heavyweight with amateur experience will transition, as it's been enabled for them to do so.

Are you ok with ex-male heavyweights beating up women?

[ZedLeg]

For goodness sake, this thread is slipping further and further into people inventing situations to be angry at. I’ve already been told that I’m ok with prison rape and now I’m ok with heavyweight boxers beating up women?

As I said previously. The second that a male athlete claims to have transitioned to game the system then I’ll change my opinion. Until then, this is basically mass hysteria.

[768]

I'm not sure how acknowledgement of their motivation matters.