First transgender athlete to compete at Olympics

[Clockwork Cupcake]

Iwantafusca said:

Clockwork Cupcake said:

I bet you have a 100% accurate Gaydar too, right?

It's fairly likely that a trans woman has walked past you in the street and you didn't even notice. And a few gay men too.

Hahahaha, a gay man is a man. A transwoman is a bio male so hardly comparable. Maybe mr magoo wouldn’t notice !

You really are a deeply unpleasant person.

Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Wednesday 30th June 20:28

[chrispmartha]

Kinky said:

Folks,

This is getting pretty tiresome now.

I'll politely ask one more time to please keep the discussion polite.

The simple option is to just close the thread and be done with it; which is quite appealing as it means we'd not have to clean up others messes.

Closing it is probably best for all concerned tbh

[Trackdayer]

Pugaris said:

He's so obsessed with protecting women from people who do them no harm but seemingly doesn't give a st that he actually belongs to the demographic (straight cis men) who overwhelmingly disproportionately represent an actual threat to women.

That's a myth.

Statistically, lesbian relationships have the highest rate of violence.

[Pugaris]

Trackdayer said:

That's a myth.

Statistically, lesbian relationships have the highest rate of violence.

That's specifically within relationships. Men represent a greater risk to women than women do, overall.

[RobbieTheTruth]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

mpkayeuk said:

ZedLeg said:

There's not going to be any agreement or compromise if they can't even bring themselves to use the common courtesy of referring to people as the people they are. What would be the point of engaging with them?

The whole debate is centred around the fact that they don't believe what you believe. In essence, what you're saying is you won't debate with someone you disagree with.

No, it's like saying you won't have a debate with a racist if they won't at least agree to moderate the use of racist terms.

Or, in less emotive terms, it's lIke when Muhammad Ali refused to talk to interviewers who repeatedly insisted on calling him Cassius Clay.

Changing his name from Cassius Clay to Muhammad Ali didn't automatically give him a dangerously big physical and unfair advantage over the guys he was fighting.

[RobbieTheTruth]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

blackrabbit said:

So you are already offended by something so won't read it any further? Offended over a mis-gendering what ever that even means. So on that basis just dismiss the whole article around "financing" trans activism? You are actually playing into the notion that pro trans people are emotional wrecks. You and others should read the whole article about how the people behind trans activism are making money so at least you are informed even if you don't like it.

If someone says that immigrants are taking people's jobs and sends a link to the Daily Mail as 'proof' then do you even need to read it to know it's going to be horsest?

Yeah but someone posted THE GUARDIANS report that it's crazy to allow ex-males to compete against women in weightlifting.

[anonymous-user]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Incidentally, several brands have pulled advertising from Mumset, including deleting the "Mumset Rated" badge from their products, over rampant transphobia at Mumsnet. This includes Flora and Bird's Eye.

Some random links to it. Other links are available.

https://time.com/5865581/transphobia-terf-harm/
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/mumsnet-t...
https://www.vice.com/en/article/a3mn9k/mumsnet-uk-...
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/mumsnet-moderators...

In fairness, not all Mumsnet posters share the view as I have found a 1000-post thread entitled "Disgusted by all the transphobia here" on Mumset.

“Rampant transphobia “ ie women centred website with a feminist section that doesn’t centre males ?

[ZedLeg]

I assume they mean stuff like doxxing and deadnaming trans women.

[RobbieTheTruth]

Clockwork Cupcake said:

Dagnir said:

But you're deciding that on your own terms before you've even engaged.


You don't know what other people are thinking, so when you are saying there's no chance of agreement or compromise, you can only be referring to your own stance. You believe that you can't get them to agree with you, so why bother.


This in turn must mean you're unwilling to change your views before you have even engaged in the discussion.


You're making assumptions from your own emotional perspective and hiding behind them because "they can't possibly be reasoned with" or "they're offensive", so their opinions aren't worthy of your time.


It's entirely your choice to be like that but don't pretend it's not a closed minded and prejudicial attitude.

I can see where both of you are coming on this, if it helps.

But bringing this back to the thread, rather than talking in general terms, if someone is going to dogmatically refer to a trans woman as 'he' then it's a fair indication that they are not up for a debate but instead want an argument. And I think ZedLeg is simply saying "I can't be arsed to engage with you on those terms because I don't see the point".

And, frankly, having been through the revolving door of these threads so many times that my head spins, I can sympathise.

Zedleg's answered 'yes' to the question 'should we ignore the massive biological advantages ex-males have over women and let them compete for the same medals'.

That answer means most here shouldn't really be arsed engaging with him as there is no point.


Which is worse, wanting ex-men to compete in strength events against women for medals/money - or calling ex-males 'he'"?

Both as bad as each other?

[anonymous-user]

Pugaris said:

Transwomen attacking cis women in toilets and changing rooms is not a statistically significant problem. You'll be hard-pressed to find a single case.

Are you waiting on me posting the Scottish one lol

[ZedLeg]

RobbieTheTruth said:

Zedleg's answered 'yes' to the question 'should we ignore the massive biological advantages ex-males have over women and let them compete for the same medals'.

That answer means most here shouldn't really be arsed engaging with him as there is no point.


Which is worse, wanting ex-men to compete in strength events against women for medals/money - or calling ex-males 'he'"?

Both as bad as each other?

Couldn’t resist the temptation of using my one word answer to your stupid question could you?

I’m sure you must feel real good now that you have the final proof that I’m a woman hating maniac.

[RobbieTheTruth]

Pugaris said:

Clockwork Cupcake said:

If you say so.

Personally, to me, it feels like shoving a raw steak in the face of a Vegetarian and saying "I'm really open to having a debate. Why won't you engage with me?"

Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Wednesday 30th June 14:31

I'm vegan and the one who started this whole debate by refusing to engage with someone who continually referred to Fallon Fox as a "he" and that is exactly what it feels like.

Ah Fallon Fox, born male, who cracked a woman's skull in a fight and boasted about it!!!

You're not offended about that?

You're offended because someone caller her 'he'?





Now I've seen Chrispmartha (or was it LedZeg) defend this with the following:

Men injure other men. (they do, but at least biologically it's a fair fight)

Women don't have to fight against Fallon (they do if they want to climb the rankings, defend their title etc - I guess they could just retire, is that what you want?)

[The Rotrex Kid]

chrispmartha said:

Kinky said:

Folks,

This is getting pretty tiresome now.

I'll politely ask one more time to please keep the discussion polite.

The simple option is to just close the thread and be done with it; which is quite appealing as it means we'd not have to clean up others messes.

Closing it is probably best for all concerned tbh

/thread