Aggression by Russia/uk?
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If the Russians decided to sink the Type 45 despite the flag waving here they could do it in minutes.
It’s 12 miles off the coast, where Russia could launch dozens and dozens of air, land and sea based missiles. This would swamp the Defenders missile defences and she would use her entire magazine but still it wont hold them all off.
This is their back yard. She’d be a sitting duck and would be taken out without sinking a single Russian attacking ship and probably expend all her missiles against incoming attacks.
Don’t know the rate they can fire off her air defence missiles but I’m guessing it’s not much more than several a minute. It would be a one way fight. Defender carries up to 45 missiles so you only have to throw a few more than that at her and she’s stuffed.
If you want to pick a fight with a bully don’t do it in their back yard. Don’t do it alone.
Fortunate we don’t live in this world.
It’s 12 miles off the coast, where Russia could launch dozens and dozens of air, land and sea based missiles. This would swamp the Defenders missile defences and she would use her entire magazine but still it wont hold them all off.
This is their back yard. She’d be a sitting duck and would be taken out without sinking a single Russian attacking ship and probably expend all her missiles against incoming attacks.
Don’t know the rate they can fire off her air defence missiles but I’m guessing it’s not much more than several a minute. It would be a one way fight. Defender carries up to 45 missiles so you only have to throw a few more than that at her and she’s stuffed.
If you want to pick a fight with a bully don’t do it in their back yard. Don’t do it alone.
Fortunate we don’t live in this world.
LP12 said:
So you work in Defence? Thought not.
Please don't tell me you work in Defence. That discussion formed another part of a conversation I had earlier today with someone who does actually know his onions.Edited by LP12 on Thursday 24th June 21:18
(35 years in the military).
If you work in procurement for The MOD sort your s
t out. You are buying the wrong stuff/ junk. HTH.LP12 said:
Evanivitch said:
The helicopter that prosecute that target. Pretty sure a T45 can't do ****.
FFS it;s not a single ship. Do you SERIOUSLY think that a single ship would respond? GET REAL!
TTmonkey said:
If the Russians decided to sink the Type 45 despite the flag waving here they could do it in minutes.
It’s 12 miles off the coast, where Russia could launch dozens and dozens of air, land and sea based missiles. This would swamp the Defenders missile defences and she would use her entire magazine but still it wont hold them all off.
This is their back yard. She’d be a sitting duck and would be taken out without sinking a single Russian attacking ship and probably expend all her missiles against incoming attacks.
Don’t know the rate they can fire off her air defence missiles but I’m guessing it’s not much more than several a minute. It would be a one way fight. Defender carries up to 45 missiles so you only have to throw a few more than that at her and she’s stuffed.
If you want to pick a fight with a bully don’t do it in their back yard. Don’t do it alone.
Fortunate we don’t live in this world.
Yes the Russians were so well prepared that they forgot to arm the aircraft sent to intercept It’s 12 miles off the coast, where Russia could launch dozens and dozens of air, land and sea based missiles. This would swamp the Defenders missile defences and she would use her entire magazine but still it wont hold them all off.
This is their back yard. She’d be a sitting duck and would be taken out without sinking a single Russian attacking ship and probably expend all her missiles against incoming attacks.
Don’t know the rate they can fire off her air defence missiles but I’m guessing it’s not much more than several a minute. It would be a one way fight. Defender carries up to 45 missiles so you only have to throw a few more than that at her and she’s stuffed.
If you want to pick a fight with a bully don’t do it in their back yard. Don’t do it alone.
Fortunate we don’t live in this world.
The NATO task group would likely have wiped the floor with them.jsf said:
What was underestimated in the Falklands was the level of stupidity the Argentinian Junta were capable of. It's a shame so many people were killed or wounded because of that idiotic act by a desperate military dictatorship.
It was a failure of intelligence and signalling, not capacity to respond.
I think the report into the loss of the Sheffield found it was as much due to key crew members being away from station at the point of attack, and an unawareness Super Etendards could air refuel as anything. Once it was declassified that is.It was a failure of intelligence and signalling, not capacity to respond.
Pupp said:
I think the report into the loss of the Sheffield found it was as much due to key crew members being away from station at the point of attack, and an unawareness Super Etendards could air refuel as anything. Once it was declassified that is.
I was referring to the entire campaign as a whole.LP12 said:
I don't need to. They were part of a NATO Surface Group.
What part of that do you not understand?
The part where the surface group is in the med conducting operations against ISIS… a long way from the Crimea? What part of that do you not understand?
The main force stayed in the med, Hms Defender and one other destroyer (edit, a Dutch frigate) went to the Crimea region of the Black Sea.
Edited by TTmonkey on Thursday 24th June 21:58
Edited by TTmonkey on Thursday 24th June 21:59
TTmonkey said:
The part where the surface group is in the med conducting operations against ISIS… a long way from the Crimea?
The main force stayed in the med, Hms Defender and one other destroyer went to the Crimea region of yen Black Sea.
Frigate. The main force stayed in the med, Hms Defender and one other destroyer went to the Crimea region of yen Black Sea.
Edited by TTmonkey on Thursday 24th June 21:57
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HNLMS_Evertsen_(F8...
They joined an Aleigh Burke destroyer into the black sea, but not the AB that's with QE group.
Red 4 said:
I don't need to believe Moscow. The capabilities (and problems) of the Su57 are widely known. Nevertheless it is a fifth generation fighter - one of only four types in existence.
Therefore your assertion that Russia does not have advanced aircraft is wrong.
Some of the later MIGs are also formidable aircraft. If you think the Russian Air Force consists solely of some blokes freezing their knackers off in the back of a Bear, whilst waving to a Typhoon pilot over The North Sea, then you are sadly mistaken.
Come on fella they have 2. Therefore your assertion that Russia does not have advanced aircraft is wrong.
Some of the later MIGs are also formidable aircraft. If you think the Russian Air Force consists solely of some blokes freezing their knackers off in the back of a Bear, whilst waving to a Typhoon pilot over The North Sea, then you are sadly mistaken.
11 years to make 2 operational aircraft… if they had started building them when Hitler invaded they would have less than the Americans have F22s. It must be very very very special.
It is not really an example to illustrate the Russian military machine.
LOL
nikaiyo2 said:
Red 4 said:
I don't need to believe Moscow. The capabilities (and problems) of the Su57 are widely known. Nevertheless it is a fifth generation fighter - one of only four types in existence.
Therefore your assertion that Russia does not have advanced aircraft is wrong.
Some of the later MIGs are also formidable aircraft. If you think the Russian Air Force consists solely of some blokes freezing their knackers off in the back of a Bear, whilst waving to a Typhoon pilot over The North Sea, then you are sadly mistaken.
Come on fella they have 2. Therefore your assertion that Russia does not have advanced aircraft is wrong.
Some of the later MIGs are also formidable aircraft. If you think the Russian Air Force consists solely of some blokes freezing their knackers off in the back of a Bear, whilst waving to a Typhoon pilot over The North Sea, then you are sadly mistaken.
11 years to make 2 operational aircraft… if they had started building them when Hitler invaded they would have less than the Americans have F22s. It must be very very very special.
It is not really an example to illustrate the Russian military machine.
LOL
If 5th gen aircraft aren't your thing, the MIG 35 (entered service 2019) is a formidable aircraft, as are the MIG 31 (older but still one of the fastest interceptors out there with very long range missiles), Sukhoi Su 35, Sukhoi Su34, Sukhoi Su 30, etc etc.
They've got hundreds of them. I'm not sure why some people think The Ruskies are not a threat to a single Destroyer. Very odd.
Evanivitch said:
jsf said:
Primary role of missile carriers is obviously ICBM's, they still posses other weapons systems including torpedo.
And a tank crew still carry rifles...LP12 said:
There are a number of torpedo spoofing systems in service. The point is that when the torpedo is fired you have an acoustic picture of where it is and you can then prosecute that target.
The helicopter that prosecute that target. Pretty sure a T45 can't do ****.That said, the NATO conga line aren't about to shoot at Ivan and Ivan isn't about to shoot at them, the lack of explodey things hanging off Maverickski's aeroplane gave the game away.
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