Aggression by Russia/uk?

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Red 4

10,744 posts

187 months

Thursday 1st July 2021
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eharding said:
Well, I assume so, given the amount of advice on all things plodesque he’s posted over the years.

But I’m fallible, and happy to admit I’m wrong.

Maybe he just lives next door to one.
I have a stalker. I'm flattered.

eharding

13,717 posts

284 months

Thursday 1st July 2021
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Red 4 said:
Not sure why you're referring to authority/ the police. Glad I'm out.
As are they, I’d imagine.

Northernboy

12,642 posts

257 months

Thursday 1st July 2021
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Red 4 said:
Yes. He worked on aircraft for decades and is extremely knowledgeable. Not sure why you have a problem with that.

I'll leave you to try some more mental gymnastics. Bye for now.
Because he's the one who's knowledgable, not you, so you stating what he believes is worthless. You are literally bigging up your own view based on who you live next door to.

Did your dad used to drink with Lance Armstrong by any chance?

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 1st July 2021
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I don’t see why an unverified claim of ‘I knew a X’ holds more or less weight than an unverified claim of ‘I am an X’ on a public forum. Best to avoid credentialism altogether on an opinion-based forum surely?

Biggy Stardust

6,890 posts

44 months

Thursday 1st July 2021
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MrMan001 said:
I don’t see why an unverified claim of ‘I knew a X’ holds more or less weight than an unverified claim of ‘I am an X’ on a public forum.
We presume that posters are truthful until proven otherwise?

Red 4

10,744 posts

187 months

Thursday 1st July 2021
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Northernboy said:
Red 4 said:
Yes. He worked on aircraft for decades and is extremely knowledgeable. Not sure why you have a problem with that.

I'll leave you to try some more mental gymnastics. Bye for now.
Because he's the one who's knowledgable, not you, so you stating what he believes is worthless. You are literally bigging up your own view based on who you live next door to.

Did your dad used to drink with Lance Armstrong by any chance?
So if I was to quote him (which I haven't) that would be wrong,would it ?
I've said we're on the same page concerning the F35. That's it !

You've tried a double back flip and landed squarely on your face there.
You'll never make the team but you're worth watching for the comedy value. Thanks.

Red 4

10,744 posts

187 months

Thursday 1st July 2021
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eharding said:
Red 4 said:
Not sure why you're referring to authority/ the police. Glad I'm out.
As are they, I’d imagine.
Yes, some of them. Probably.

Skyrocket21

775 posts

42 months

Thursday 1st July 2021
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@ Red 4 criticising the Queen Elizabeth class and F35 Lightning ll, saying we should have bought f-18's etc. If that were the case then buying a second hand Nimitz Class might have been the better proposition.

In the first Gulf War an f-18 was shot down by a Mig-29 because it was switching from air to ground mode. The f-15's were picking off the mig-29 and mig-25 using it's beyond visual range weapon and radar, mainly AIM-7 Sparrow air to air missles and some sidewinders were used too.

The British f-35 uses a Meteor missle which is far more advanced than the AIM-7 Sparrow. The f-35 also uses the Northrop Grumman AN/APG-81 active electronically scanned array (AESA), the most advanced in the world. The only thing Russia could contest any of this with is their S-400 sam system. Even in the first Gulf war drones were used to confuse the Iraq's sam sites and reveal their location and it worked, it was the weapons that counted, not the delivery ship, AGM-88 HARM. The F-35 also might eventually have the ability to control and launch drones, such as the XQ-58 Valkyrie.

So unless you've been watching too much Top Gun, those turn and burn dog fights are not really a thing, its who can acquire a target first and fire their boomy things, who wins the day.

Russia, the UK is a part of Nato, there is no way that Russia would sink a British war ship, it's all just posturing to make Putin look like the big dog, did you know the British lent Russia a battleship in WW2, HMS Royal Sovereign!

The Queen Elizabeth class isn't a bad package for a country with our needs and size, I just wished they'd made a dozen Daring class, having only 6 isn't enough.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

279 months

Thursday 1st July 2021
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Putin has said they Russia could have sunk the RN warship, and ‘it would not start WWIII’ meaning that NATO would not retaliate.

If they had sunk the destroyer, what could NATO have done?


hidetheelephants

24,366 posts

193 months

Thursday 1st July 2021
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Red 4 said:
Evanivitch asked a question, I answered. Feel free to comment on the post above.
I'm sure your contribution will be wonderful.
No, you're arguing about how many armchair SecDefs can be fitted in the internal weapons bay of a F35B and it's dull enough as it is. You reiterating that you think the F35 is mediocre is not interesting reading. It's a very dull argument, even duller as there's already a huge thread for people who think the F35 is awful and we should have bought X/Y/Z. Spoiler alert; it's dull.

Northernboy

12,642 posts

257 months

Thursday 1st July 2021
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Red 4 said:
So if I was to quote him (which I haven't) that would be wrong,would it ?
I've said we're on the same page concerning the F35. That's it !

You've tried a double back flip and landed squarely on your face there.
You'll never make the team but you're worth watching for the comedy value. Thanks.
No, I've just made light fun of you because you are trying to bolster your arguments based on living next door to someone who was in the service.

Evanivitch

20,079 posts

122 months

Thursday 1st July 2021
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Ayahuasca said:
Putin has said they Russia could have sunk the RN warship, and ‘it would not start WWIII’ meaning that NATO would not retaliate.

If they had sunk the destroyer, what could NATO have done?
Destroy the Kuznetsov in dry dock (where it's most often found).

eharding

13,717 posts

284 months

Thursday 1st July 2021
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Evanivitch said:
Ayahuasca said:
Putin has said they Russia could have sunk the RN warship, and ‘it would not start WWIII’ meaning that NATO would not retaliate.

If they had sunk the destroyer, what could NATO have done?
Destroy the Kuznetsov in dry dock (where it's most often found).
Kuznetsov’s dry dock has had a good stab at destroying the Kuznetsov in dry dock.

Earthdweller

13,559 posts

126 months

Thursday 1st July 2021
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Northernboy said:
No, I've just made light fun of you because you are trying to bolster your arguments based on living next door to someone who was in the service.
Did he used to live next door to Alice ?

anonymous-user

54 months

Thursday 1st July 2021
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Skyrocket21 said:
@ Red 4 criticising the Queen Elizabeth class and F35 Lightning ll, saying we should have bought f-18's etc. If that were the case then buying a second hand Nimitz Class might have been the better proposition.
I wouldn’t be so sure, they’re powered by two nuclear reactors. Expensive and I expect the US wouldn’t be too keen on sharing the operational knowledge. If it had been viable I think it would’ve been worth considering!

eharding

13,717 posts

284 months

Thursday 1st July 2021
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Earthdweller said:
Northernboy said:
No, I've just made light fun of you because you are trying to bolster your arguments based on living next door to someone who was in the service.
Did he used to live next door to Alice ?
Which one? Cooper? Are we going to be enjoying some profound insights on the correct length and timing of school holidays?

Biggy Stardust

6,890 posts

44 months

Thursday 1st July 2021
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Earthdweller said:
Did he used to live next door to Alice ?
No, but I believe he lives in Wonderland.

Evanivitch

20,079 posts

122 months

Thursday 1st July 2021
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eharding said:
Evanivitch said:
Ayahuasca said:
Putin has said they Russia could have sunk the RN warship, and ‘it would not start WWIII’ meaning that NATO would not retaliate.

If they had sunk the destroyer, what could NATO have done?
Destroy the Kuznetsov in dry dock (where it's most often found).
Kuznetsov’s dry dock has had a good stab at destroying the Kuznetsov in dry dock.
You could argue it was done for environmental reasons.

768

13,682 posts

96 months

Thursday 1st July 2021
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Evanivitch said:
Ayahuasca said:
Putin has said they Russia could have sunk the RN warship, and ‘it would not start WWIII’ meaning that NATO would not retaliate.

If they had sunk the destroyer, what could NATO have done?
Destroy the Kuznetsov in dry dock (where it's most often found).
Probably fairer to take the tug out. One ocean going vessel for another.

Red 4

10,744 posts

187 months

Thursday 1st July 2021
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Biggy Stardust said:
No, but I believe he lives in Wonderland.
If you say so, Biggles. Any chance of you elaborating on your "credentials". You were keen to post them (whatever they were) and seek a bit of internet kudos after all.

Have the Americans got a name for the F35 yet ?
You know how they like to name them after birds and stuff - Eagle, Falcon, Hornet, Tomcat, etc etc
How about the F35 Turkey ? I like the sound of that.