Will you continue to wear a mask in public after July 19th?

[HTP99]

Ari said:

Went to the cinema for the first time in about 2 years last night to see the new Bond film. In a packed auditorium, I think I saw two or three people wearing masks.

I'm still amazed that people can see this kind of thing everywhere, and the result of it (which is not the tidal wave of deaths or hospitalisations despite the shrill cries of 'reckless' and promises that we'd be swamped with both from the mask lovers) and still believe that the masks ever made a difference.

Maybe the mask lovers are only seeing the inside of supermarkets and don't realise that most of us are just getting on with life now.

Long may it continue.

We too went to see Bond at the weekend, it was really refreshing to see no one wearing masks; customers and staff.

Supermarkets do seem to be the areas where masks are still worn by quite a high percentage of people though, however it does seem to be decreasing.

[Ntv]

Blakewater said:

Gary C said:

Blakewater said:

The issue is wearing masks in busy places such as shops, which is still perfectly reasonable

Why is it 'perfectly reasonable' ?

on what grounds.

Comforting for the wearer or clinical effect on the population ?

A 15 year old with no underlying conditions died of Covid last week. Obviously that's not the norm, but you can't assume you or your loved ones wouldn't be seriously ill if they did become infected.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-58...

There are still 30k - 40k cases a day.

I know a couple in their 30s who denied the need for restrictions, said life is full of risks and we need to get on as normal both caught Covid recently and both were seriously ill. She needed a caesarean to ease the pressure on her lungs and nearly lost her baby. She's now stuck living with her parents and is on oxygen support.

A small act to help avoid this kind of thing happening to people and reduce the spread of the virus seems perfectly reasonable.

I know loads of people, including me, and many friends and family, who ignored almost all the restrictions all the time and are really healthy!

[thewarlock]

Ntv said:

I know loads of people, including me, and many friends and family, who ignored almost all the restrictions all the time and are really healthy!

I know someone that never wore a seatbelt, ever, and never died in a car crash.

Does that prove that car crashes aren't dangerous, and that seatbelts don't work?

Or does it prove absolutely nothing at all?

[Ntv]

thewarlock said:

Ntv said:

I know loads of people, including me, and many friends and family, who ignored almost all the restrictions all the time and are really healthy!

I know someone that never wore a seatbelt, ever, and never died in a car crash.

Does that prove that car crashes aren't dangerous, and that seatbelts don't work?

Or does it prove absolutely nothing at all?

LOL - my post was in jest to ridicule the ridiculous post above re wearing a mask because someone died and someone got really ill.

OK ... a gold star for anyone who can identify in the data the Scottish mask wearing benefit.

[nonsequitur]

Ari said:

Went to the cinema for the first time in about 2 years last night to see the new Bond film. In a packed auditorium, I think I saw two or three people wearing masks.

I'm still amazed that people can see this kind of thing everywhere, and the result of it (which is not the tidal wave of deaths or hospitalisations despite the shrill cries of 'reckless' and promises that we'd be swamped with both from the mask lovers) and still believe that the masks ever made a difference.

Maybe the mask lovers are only seeing the inside of supermarkets and don't realise that most of us are just getting on with life now.

Long may it continue.

We too are getting on with our lives albeit wearing a mask when asked to - doctors, opticians, vets, public transport - or in 'confined spaces' such as shops, as strongly recommended by the government after July 19th.

It is really not hard to 'get back to normal' while wearing a mask. There is nothing that I can name that I'm doing now that cannot be carried out whilst wearing a face covering.

I'm convinced that vanity plays a big part when refusing to wear a mask.

[PH User]

nonsequitur said:

Ari said:

Went to the cinema for the first time in about 2 years last night to see the new Bond film. In a packed auditorium, I think I saw two or three people wearing masks.

I'm still amazed that people can see this kind of thing everywhere, and the result of it (which is not the tidal wave of deaths or hospitalisations despite the shrill cries of 'reckless' and promises that we'd be swamped with both from the mask lovers) and still believe that the masks ever made a difference.

Maybe the mask lovers are only seeing the inside of supermarkets and don't realise that most of us are just getting on with life now.

Long may it continue.

We too are getting on with our lives albeit wearing a mask when asked to - doctors, opticians, vets, public transport - or in 'confined spaces' such as shops, as strongly recommended by the government after July 19th.

It is really not hard to 'get back to normal' while wearing a mask. There is nothing that I can name that I'm doing now that cannot be carried out whilst wearing a face covering.

I'm convinced that vanity plays a big part when refusing to wear a mask.

You might be convinced it's vanity, but for most you are highly likely to be very wrong. You also need to take a look at your wording of "refusing" I don't refuse, I just choose not to.


Saying that, wearing a mask while out shopping never caused me any issues and at times I even forgot that I was wearing it.

[thewarlock]

Ntv said:

LOL - my post was in jest to ridicule the ridiculous post above re wearing a mask because someone died and someone got really ill.

OK ... a gold star for anyone who can identify in the data the Scottish mask wearing benefit.

It's hard to keep up with who's being serious, who's being sarcastic, and who's just a clown in this thread these days.

[Ari]

nonsequitur said:

We too are getting on with our lives albeit wearing a mask when asked to - doctors, opticians, vets, public transport - or in 'confined spaces' such as shops, as strongly recommended by the government after July 19th.

It is really not hard to 'get back to normal' while wearing a mask. There is nothing that I can name that I'm doing now that cannot be carried out whilst wearing a face covering.

I'm convinced that vanity plays a big part when refusing to wear a mask.

Have you considered wearing a crash helmet in 'confined spaces' such as shops too? I suspect that there is nothing that you can name that you're doing now that cannot be carried out whilst wearing a crash helmet.

And whilst there's no real world evidence that it would make any difference (other than when riding a bike), a scientific theory could definitely prove that it 'might help'.

I'm convinced that vanity plays a big part when refusing to wear a crash helmet in 'confined spaces' such as shops.


TLDR: It's nothing to do with vanity and everything to do with people just living normally, like mankind has managed for the last 2,000 years and more, without wrapping silly bits of cloth over faces.

[nonsequitur]

Ari said:

Have you considered wearing a crash helmet in 'confined spaces' such as shops too? I suspect that there is nothing that you can name that you're doing now that cannot be carried out whilst wearing a crash helmet.

And whilst there's no real world evidence that it would make any difference (other than when riding a bike), a scientific theory could definitely prove that it 'might help'.

I'm convinced that vanity plays a big part when refusing to wear a crash helmet in 'confined spaces' such as shops.


TLDR: It's nothing to do with vanity and everything to do with people just living normally, like mankind has managed for the last 2,000 years and more, without wrapping silly bits of cloth over faces.

[g3org3y]

Zoo today, only a couple of staff members and handful of visitors wearing masks, otherwise mask free.

Nando's (haters gonna hate ), no masks at all.

Life feeling almost back to normal around here.

[Einion Yrth]

g3org3y said:

Life feeling almost back to normal around here.

Alas my friends, ABDePJ will soon put a stop to that.

[vixen1700]

Lidl in Loughton today (my new favourite supermarket) and hardly a mask in sight which along with the freshly squeezed orange juice from the machine there, was very refreshing.

[Ari]

nonsequitur said:

Ari said:

Have you considered wearing a crash helmet in 'confined spaces' such as shops too? I suspect that there is nothing that you can name that you're doing now that cannot be carried out whilst wearing a crash helmet.

And whilst there's no real world evidence that it would make any difference (other than when riding a bike), a scientific theory could definitely prove that it 'might help'.

I'm convinced that vanity plays a big part when refusing to wear a crash helmet in 'confined spaces' such as shops.


TLDR: It's nothing to do with vanity and everything to do with people just living normally, like mankind has managed for the last 2,000 years and more, without wrapping silly bits of cloth over faces.

Exactly. Crazy logic for wearing a face covering.

[Blakewater]

CarCrazyDad said:

oyster said:

CarCrazyDad said:

you aren't tested for cancer randomly, only if you have symptoms which require medical assistance....

If you really want to save lifes do full body scans for tumours....that would save more live... but it's not about saving lives

You mean like cervical screening and mammogram screening and the bowel cancer screening kits that get posted out?

A neighbour who does the local window cleaning round sent back his bowel cancer screening kit and was found to have bowel cancer, despite having no symptoms.

A lot of people ignore the option of getting screened because they want to carry on as normal, but if a problem exists, ignoring it and pretending everything is normal doesn't make it go away.

[Gary C]

nonsequitur said:

We too are getting on with our lives albeit wearing a mask when asked to - doctors, opticians, vets, public transport - or in 'confined spaces' such as shops, as strongly recommended by the government after July 19th.

It is really not hard to 'get back to normal' while wearing a mask. There is nothing that I can name that I'm doing now that cannot be carried out whilst wearing a face covering.

I'm convinced that vanity plays a big part when refusing to wear a mask.

I think a lot of people are naturally reacting to the pressure and stress of the last 18 months, and see masks as a symbol of what we have been through and want rid ASAP

But, actually, why bother wearing them anymore?

Yes, if people want to, why the hell not (and we can have our private opinions about them) but I cannot see why they (masks, not the people !) have any real use now.

Masks are not going to stop you getting it, they are not (currently) needed to protect clinical care and as to ''get(ting) back to normal' while wearing a mask'. To me that's not normal and unwelcome. Maybe its a reaction as I said, but its how I feel.

I did do a 5 hour flight last month with 'mandatory masks'. Totally ineffective. I could quite happily sit there if I wanted with no mask on as long as I had a drink or food in my hand, as did many people.

Ah well.

[CarCrazyDad]

Blakewater said:

CarCrazyDad said:

oyster said:

CarCrazyDad said:

you aren't tested for cancer randomly, only if you have symptoms which require medical assistance....

If you really want to save lifes do full body scans for tumours....that would save more live... but it's not about saving lives

You mean like cervical screening and mammogram screening and the bowel cancer screening kits that get posted out?

A neighbour who does the local window cleaning round sent back his bowel cancer screening kit and was found to have bowel cancer, despite having no symptoms.

A lot of people ignore the option of getting screened because they want to carry on as normal, but if a problem exists, ignoring it and pretending everything is normal doesn't make it go away.

Breakwater -

A lot of people had cancer treatment stopped or delayed during the "pandemic" - a LOT

For effectively 6 months hospitals only treated patients, many surgeries were cancelled

4 million fewer elective treatments in 2020 than 2019
6 million fewer patients referred to consultant care (so that's basically GP referrals to Hospitals or other health care professionals)
-


I direct you to this quote
The waiting list has now reached the highest level since comparable records began, with more patients experiencing long delays in diagnosis and treatment. The waiting list could still grow substantially depending on how and when the 'missing patients' are belatedly added.

THE
LONGEST
WAITING
LIST
SINCE
RECORDS
BEGAN

And an ex NHS chief labelled these delays as "truly frightening"

The healthcare quality of the general public in the UK is awful at the moment and it's almost never going to catch up

Don't use the bowel screening example and say "LOOK, EVERYTHING IS OK!" when it clearly isn't, it's like having your leg cut off but putting a plaster on your finger

Sources:
https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-...
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/02/ba...
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n339


Talking of bowel cancer - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/31/pati...
40-year-old man in London was diagnosed with stage-4 bowel cancer, which had already spread to his liver, last June. After months of chemotherapy he was due to have surgery in King’s College hospital in London on 28 December, but it was called off.

“The surgery was rebooked for 5 January but was again cancelled the day before. My oncologist told me that all [non-emergency] surgery is now cancelled indefinitely,” said the man, who asked to remain anonymous.


(fixed editing I hope)

Edited by CarCrazyDad on Tuesday 5th October 01:16

Edited by CarCrazyDad on Tuesday 5th October 01:17

[Ari]

Gary C said:

I think a lot of people are naturally reacting to the pressure and stress of the last 18 months, and see masks as a symbol of what we have been through and want rid ASAP

But, actually, why bother wearing them anymore?

Yes, if people want to, why the hell not (and we can have our private opinions about them) but I cannot see why they (masks, not the people !) have any real use now.

Masks are not going to stop you getting it, they are not (currently) needed to protect clinical care and as to ''get(ting) back to normal' while wearing a mask'. To me that's not normal and unwelcome. Maybe its a reaction as I said, but its how I feel.

I did do a 5 hour flight last month with 'mandatory masks'. Totally ineffective. I could quite happily sit there if I wanted with no mask on as long as I had a drink or food in my hand, as did many people.

Ah well.

I mentioned this recently, but I did a two hour flight in a plane full of people who had to be double vaccinated, and had to have had a negative PCR test, just to be allowed on it. Needless to say, we all had to be masked up so that Easyjet could tick the H&S box and reassure the nervous that 'everything was being done to keep them safe'. Bonkers.

[Ari]

CarCrazyDad said:

Breakwater -

A lot of people had cancer treatment stopped or delayed during the "pandemic" - a LOT

For effectively 6 months hospitals only treated patients, many surgeries were cancelled

4 million fewer elective treatments in 2020 than 2019
6 million fewer patients referred to consultant care (so that's basically GP referrals to Hospitals or other health care professionals)
-


I direct you to this quote
The waiting list has now reached the highest level since comparable records began, with more patients experiencing long delays in diagnosis and treatment. The waiting list could still grow substantially depending on how and when the 'missing patients' are belatedly added.

THE
LONGEST
WAITING
LIST
SINCE
RECORDS
BEGAN

And an ex NHS chief labelled these delays as "truly frightening"

The healthcare quality of the general public in the UK is awful at the moment and it's almost never going to catch up

Don't use the bowel screening example and say "LOOK, EVERYTHING IS OK!" when it clearly isn't, it's like having your leg cut off but putting a plaster on your finger

Sources:
https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-...
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/02/ba...
https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n339


Talking of bowel cancer - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/31/pati...
40-year-old man in London was diagnosed with stage-4 bowel cancer, which had already spread to his liver, last June. After months of chemotherapy he was due to have surgery in King’s College hospital in London on 28 December, but it was called off.

“The surgery was rebooked for 5 January but was again cancelled the day before. My oncologist told me that all [non-emergency] surgery is now cancelled indefinitely,” said the man, who asked to remain anonymous.

This is just horrific, and isn't given enough air time by the media.

[PH User]

Ari said:

Gary C said:

I think a lot of people are naturally reacting to the pressure and stress of the last 18 months, and see masks as a symbol of what we have been through and want rid ASAP

But, actually, why bother wearing them anymore?

Yes, if people want to, why the hell not (and we can have our private opinions about them) but I cannot see why they (masks, not the people !) have any real use now.

Masks are not going to stop you getting it, they are not (currently) needed to protect clinical care and as to ''get(ting) back to normal' while wearing a mask'. To me that's not normal and unwelcome. Maybe its a reaction as I said, but its how I feel.

I did do a 5 hour flight last month with 'mandatory masks'. Totally ineffective. I could quite happily sit there if I wanted with no mask on as long as I had a drink or food in my hand, as did many people.

Ah well.

I mentioned this recently, but I did a two hour flight in a plane full of people who had to be double vaccinated, and had to have had a negative PCR test, just to be allowed on it. Needless to say, we all had to be masked up so that Easyjet could tick the H&S box and reassure the nervous that 'everything was being done to keep them safe'. Bonkers.

And you got where you needed to go so no big deal.

[PH User]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

The idea of protecting the NHS was done to actually protect us!