Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 11

[simoid]

aparna said:

How many non white customers? Haven’t seen those details published?

I don’t know. I’m just sharing what the Daily Record reported (which is an indication of how ridiculous the situation is…)

[the-sharpener]

aparna said:

My solution is Scotland-first opposition across the social and economic spectrum. Which would probably require torys and Labour to vacate the stage.

By scotland first do you mean

Scotland first or independence first?

As they are two very different things

aparna said:

I don’t see shutting down holyrood as an option at this point.

Why not

it rarely gets more than 50% of people voting in the elections

Most people see it as an irrelevance

I only vote to try and keep the SNP out of power but on reflection it is a mistake and won't vote in holyrood elections again

aparna said:

Your second option is not serious I presume. SNP are economically closer to the tories than you make out, and perhaps your view is distorted By the more left Leaning mcgammons?

Completely serious

I think it is a solution that would show TRUE progress towards a free scotland that is 100% tory free

as to the SNP being economically closer to the tories

WELL

That is very hard to judge as the SNP under queen nicola seems to care far more about being NOT ENGLAND than actually having any real policies

[Pastor Of Muppets]

Just one of the multitude of failures that Nicola Sturgeon has wreaked on Scotland and it's taxpayers. Yep they are laughing alright, at us.

[aparna]

the-sharpener said:

Completely serious

I think it is a solution that would show TRUE progress towards a free scotland that is 100% tory free

as to the SNP being economically closer to the tories

WELL

That is very hard to judge as the SNP under queen nicola seems to care far more about being NOT ENGLAND than actually having any real policies

Scotland first.

Tom Devine came up recently

Misquoted I suppose

As an example of someone who When faced with a binary choice Between indy and WM status quo

Would vote snp and indy

But would actually prefer to vote for a Scotland first party
With softer constitutional ambitions.

If such a party existed.

You refusing to now cast a vote

Sounds a bit Russel brand.

What percentage fall of the vote do you think should trigger abolishment of parliament?

[aparna]

simoid said:

I don’t know. I’m just sharing what the Daily Record reported (which is an indication of how ridiculous the situation is…)

Daily record didn’t report anything about ethnic make up of the children?

Perhaps you prejudged the case?

[the-sharpener]

aparna said:

Scotland first.

Tom Devine came up recently

Misquoted I suppose

As an example of someone who When faced with a binary choice Between indy and WM status quo

Would vote snp and indy

But would actually prefer to vote for a Scotland first party
With softer constitutional ambitions.

If such a party existed.

You refusing to now cast a vote

Sounds a bit Russel brand.

What percentage fall of the vote do you think should trigger abolishment of parliament?

Seeing the bunch of gravy train riders where lumped upon us with by 45% of scots with the rest saying NOPE or not giving a st

Why don't we try there?

I don't know if there has ever been a poll on getting rid of holyrood but i'd be shocked if it was more than 45%


And you are never going to get a party which isn't looking at the whole independence thing as that is the scotland the NATs have built where EVERYTHING including some brat getting a place in a nursery is viewed upon

And the ONLY way that issue will be put to bed is a YES vote

as a NO vote will be ignored

So

Lets start the process today of removing the YOONs from scotland

I can pack quite quickly

[Ntv]

aparna said:

the-sharpener said:

Completely serious

I think it is a solution that would show TRUE progress towards a free scotland that is 100% tory free

as to the SNP being economically closer to the tories

WELL

That is very hard to judge as the SNP under queen nicola seems to care far more about being NOT ENGLAND than actually having any real policies

Scotland first.

Tom Devine came up recently

Misquoted I suppose

As an example of someone who When faced with a binary choice Between indy and WM status quo

Would vote snp and indy

But would actually prefer to vote for a Scotland first party
With softer constitutional ambitions.

If such a party existed.

You refusing to now cast a vote

Sounds a bit Russel brand.

What percentage fall of the vote do you think should trigger abolishment of parliament?

Is Devine the fool who used to bang on about "civic nationalism" as being oh so different and so very much more benign and positive than all other forms of nationalism?

Arrogant, mis-guided buffoon.

[the-sharpener]

aparna said:

Daily record didn’t report anything about ethnic make up of the children?

Perhaps you prejudged the case?

Seeing the nursery is in dundee where lets be honest

94.1% of people are a pale blue colour

I can't see there being a huge amount of little brown faces

apge 18

https://www.dundeecity.gov.uk/sites/default/files/...

Edited by the-sharpener on Wednesday 1st September 10:19

[hidetheelephants]

We should have ballot propositions like California; 5% of the vote at the last election gets it on the ticket.

[aparna]

the-sharpener said:

Seeing the bunch of gravy train riders where lumped upon us with by 45% of scots with the rest saying NOPE or not giving a st

Why don't we try there?

I don't know if there has ever been a poll on getting rid of holyrood but i'd be shocked if it was more than 45%


And you are never going to get a party which isn't looking at the whole independence thing as that is the scotland the NATs have built where EVERYTHING including some brat getting a place in a nursery is viewed upon

And the ONLY way that issue will be put to bed is a YES vote

as a NO vote will be ignored

So

Lets start the process today of removing the YOONs from scotland

I can pack quite quickly

45% is a very normal percentage in politics to shape a nation.

Your sarcasm

Is hard work to unpack

[aparna]

the-sharpener said:

aparna said:

Daily record didn’t report anything about ethnic make up of the children?

Perhaps you prejudged the case?

Seeing the nursery is in dundee where lets be honest

94.1% of people are a pale blue colour

I can't see there being a huge amount of little brown faces

Which further strengthens my point that posters are
Prejudging the case

By filling in details that don’t exist.

And Doubling down on it.

[the-sharpener]

aparna said:

45% is a very normal percentage in politics to shape a nation.

Your sarcasm

Is hard work to unpack

great

so 45% it is then and holyrood is gone in a puff of logic

And i am not being sarcastic

pay the YOONs to leave

It will give the Scotland that SNP voters so richly deserve

[aparna]

the-sharpener said:

great

so 45% it is then and holyrood is gone in a puff of logic

And i am not being sarcastic

pay the YOONs to leave

It will give the Scotland that SNP voters so richly deserve

Support for a devolved Scottish parliament has consistently hovered around 75%

Politics is about picking your battles.

If your plan is to be angry and just hope that 75% falls below 50%, then that is a fruitless excercise in frustration IMO.

There appears to be no correlation between snp competence and support for a devolved parliament.

Sooner or later you need to choose between being eternally angry and hoping it all falls apart, or supporting realistic alternatives.

Edited by aparna on Wednesday 1st September 10:46

[A.J.M]

So what then is the answer?

The constitutional question was asked 7 years ago.
With the declaration that the result would be respected regardless of the outcome.

Can we honestly say that’s been the case?

To my eyes, no it hasn’t.

Will it ever be respected or are we doomed to the never ending threat of this hanging over us?

If a rerun is done and the result is again NO, then what?
At what point do we say enough is enough and put it to bed?

Also.

A Scottish party?

The SNP claim they are that party, despite overwhelming evidence to show they aren’t “stronger for Scotland”

So where is this new party coming from?

What are wrong with the current parties?

[Evercross]

aparna said:

Your theory is, that as a result of finding out his local nursery was giving preference to white sounding names, this MP thought it would be a perfect excuse to stir up some Hindi - Indian - Hindi sectarian hatred?

Quality nonsense.

Read the article, or better still seek out the radio broadcast. It was Yousef who brought up the Hindu/Muslim issue. It hadn't even occurred to the interviewer until Yousef mentioned it. Clearly this was something on his mind, so let us ponder for a bit his true motivations.

Let us not forget that this is a nursery that a year previous had politely requested Humza's OH go through the proper process to obtain a place for her child ie. fill in the form like everyone else, and she declined, playing the 'do you know who I am' card. There is history between them and the owners.

Humza and his OH's retaliation was clearly to smear some dirt by alleging racism, and when it was pointed out to him that the owner of the nursery was also from an ethnic minority group his recourse was to bring up a sectarian divide between ethnic groups, despite previously alleging the nursery was being pro-white by accepting 'white sounding names' (his wife's words) and rejecting ethnic sounding ones.

As I said - he's not too bright and got caught out by his own fake narrative.

Edited by Evercross on Wednesday 1st September 11:45

[Evercross]

Roderick Spode said:

Not saying they are paid SNP staffers, but nothing would surprise me any more.

The ones we had here must have been redeployed due to shortages, seeing as the SNP financial pot isn't as healthy as it once was.....

[irc]

simoid said:

Allegedly giving preference to white sounding names. Despite not being white, and having lots of non white customers already.

Instead of dealing with it on the QT through exclusively legal means, one of the first ports of call was the Daily Record. Who does that? A fking pair of s, that’s who.

Was it avoiding Muslim sounding names rather than Asian?

Or was it not wanting anything to do with Hamzad Useless? Skin colour not a factor. Thereafter rejecting other applications as suspectingva connection when several applications quickly followed the first refusal.

Either way. An interesting case to follow

[irc]

aparna said:

Daily record didn’t report anything about ethnic make up of the children?

Perhaps you prejudged the case?

Daily Record quotes nursery saying there are currently ethnic children at the nursery.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/s...

[the-sharpener]

aparna said:

My solution is Scotland-first opposition across the social and economic spectrum. Which would probably require torys and Labour to vacate the stage.

Still not answered why tory and labour can't be pro-scotland

[simoid]

aparna said:

simoid said:

I don’t know. I’m just sharing what the Daily Record reported (which is an indication of how ridiculous the situation is…)

Daily record didn’t report anything about ethnic make up of the children?

Perhaps you prejudged the case?

Yes - they reported this statement from the owners:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/h...

“In addition to our owners being of Asian heritage, across more than a decade we have regularly welcomed both children and staff from a range of different religious, cultural, ethnic and racial ­backgrounds including two Muslim families currently.

“We have also regularly made arrangements to accommodate different lifestyles by, for example, providing a halal menu for those children who come from Muslim families.”

Don’t you find it ridiculous that the former justice secretary thinks the best justice is via the media?