Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 11

[Olivera]

alangla said:

alangla said:

irc said:

wkers. I have news for them. At busy times it is already below 30mph. At off peak times why would you want cars spending twice as long emitting fumes to get through the city centre.

They really are fking idiots that would have us back with the chap walking in front with a red flag if they could.

Apart from anything else injury rates are far lower on motorways than other roads. Anything that pushes cars off the motorways will cost lives long term.

I’ve long suspected that the “temporary” 40mph limit for the Woodside Viaduct roadworks would be made permanent

Seems the legislation to make this section of motorway 30mph already exists, albeit temporarily- https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2022/338/pdfs/s...

A better effort that would reduce both noise and pollution would be to cover over the section outside the Mitchell Library. This was mooted a few years ago but I've not heard anything since, possibly since Glasgow City Council is skint.

[hutchst]

Leithen said:

DRS will sink them. Slater will return to Canada and no doubt pretend the whole debacle never happened.

But Singulaaaaaaarity Scaaaaaaaatland is a not for profit private company set up by the industry, and was approved by this Parliament. It meets the best practices from around the world. It is, it is, it is and you can't say it isn't. So there.

We were promised a different kind of politics, and that's what we got.

[irc]

Olivera said:

A better effort that would reduce both noise and pollution would be to cover over the section outside the Mitchell Library. This was mooted a few years ago but I've not heard anything since, possibly since Glasgow City Council is skint.

Not saying it can't be done but it could be tricky according to my dad who designed that section of the M8. The walls either side apparently needed careful treatment/re-enforcement because of ground conditions. The proposal to make the covered area some sort of public space would presumably need a structure which could cope with big loads. Would this require the road to be closed for long periods to build it?

In any case covering another couple of hundred yards wouldn't make that much difference IMO. The same pollution would just be vented slightly further away and drift back along the route depending on wind direction anyway.

Are pollution levels there any worse than surrounding surface streets.

As for noise reduction? The traffic is already well below street level. Is there any treatment that could be done to the walls to absorb sound? Is the road surface as quiet as it could be. Some road surfaces seem to be quieter than others.

Here's a 1974 film of the M8 shot by my dad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRk3QHzH0NM&t=...

https://www.scottishroadsarchive.org/inner-ring-ro...

Edited by irc on Saturday 25th March 22:46

[Master Of Puppets]

Very telling that there hasn't even been a tweet from Murrell on his wifes exit speech, absolutely zilch. Methinks all is very much not
well with the Murrgeons.

Is it now a marriage of inconvenience, how long until we hear they have seperated, surely it's coming?

[Klippie]

Master Of Puppets said:

Very telling that there hasn't even been a tweet from Murrell on his wifes exit speech, absolutely zilch. Methinks all is very much not
well with the Murrgeons.

Is it now a marriage of inconvenience, how long until we hear they have seperated, surely it's coming?

Seperated...did they ever cum together.

[irc]

Her new career is as a stand up comedian. She has them rolling about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckv6UwqGGlk

[Olivera]

irc said:

Olivera said:

A better effort that would reduce both noise and pollution would be to cover over the section outside the Mitchell Library. This was mooted a few years ago but I've not heard anything since, possibly since Glasgow City Council is skint.

Not saying it can't be done but it could be tricky according to my dad who designed that section of the M8. The walls either side apparently needed careful treatment/re-enforcement because of ground conditions. The proposal to make the covered area some sort of public space would presumably need a structure which could cope with big loads. Would this require the road to be closed for long periods to build it?

In any case covering another couple of hundred yards wouldn't make that much difference IMO. The same pollution would just be vented slightly further away and drift back along the route depending on wind direction anyway.

Are pollution levels there any worse than surrounding surface streets.

As for noise reduction? The traffic is already well below street level. Is there any treatment that could be done to the walls to absorb sound? Is the road surface as quiet as it could be. Some road surfaces seem to be quieter than others.

Yes I agree that covering that section may pose engineering challenges and would likely be prohibitively expense.

However it remains that being a pedestrian crossing or walking alongside that section is a miserable experience. It's very noisy (even with the motorway being below ground level), pollution is undoubtedly high, wind regularly wips down the length of the motorway (being a high point and with no buildings to the North/South), and crossing as a pedestrian requires using at least two pedestrian crossings. Alleviating some of these ailments would make that section of the city much more pleasant.

[Klippie]

Its quite clear to see Douglas Ross has no time for these nuggets...he appears to be right up for a good fight with slime-ball Angus Robertson and also has a go a the chief clown Pete Wishart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzttfgXGE9U&t=...

The comments don't seem to like Mr Ross.

[Master Of Puppets]

irc said:

Not saying it can't be done but it could be tricky according to my dad who designed that section of the M8. The walls either side apparently needed careful treatment/re-enforcement because of ground conditions. The proposal to make the covered area some sort of public space would presumably need a structure which could cope with big loads. Would this require the road to be closed for long periods to build it?

In any case covering another couple of hundred yards wouldn't make that much difference IMO. The same pollution would just be vented slightly further away and drift back along the route depending on wind direction anyway.

Are pollution levels there any worse than surrounding surface streets.

As for noise reduction? The traffic is already well below street level. Is there any treatment that could be done to the walls to absorb sound? Is the road surface as quiet as it could be. Some road surfaces seem to be quieter than others.

Here's a 1974 film of the M8 shot by my dad.

https://www.scottishroadsarchive.org/inner-ring-ro...

Amazing video irc, very much enjoyed watching that, incredible history when you read about it's construction as well, some seriously clever work involved.
Compare those people then to the likes of Harvie now, puts into perspective the utter dross we have trying run the place and dictate
what we can and can't do.

[irc]

Master Of Puppets said:

Amazing video irc, very much enjoyed watching that, incredible history when you read about it's construction as well, some seriously clever work involved.
Compare those people then to the likes of Harvie now, puts into perspective the utter dross we have trying run the place and dictate
what we can and can't do.

My dad had a few comments about modern projects in Scotland. The key one being don't start building anything until you have decided what you are going to build and how you will build it.

As far a the M8 goes my dad was possibly the only person in the UK at the time with experience of designing urban motorways. Brought up in Glasgow he emigrated to North America in the 1950s and worked on road design in California before returning to Scotland for a job designing the roads in Cumbernauld. Still no congestion there 80 years on. The Glasgow Ring Road M8 was his next job. Initially just him and one other engineer in a flat up a tenement close in High St.

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irc said:

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Here's a 1974 film of the M8 shot by my dad.

https://www.scottishroadsarchive.org/inner-ring-ro...

That's outstanding. Thanks for sharing it.
As a Glasgow native I remember the protests at the time, but I'd forgotten the original proposal for a complete ring road.
It's unimaginable that anything like this could be achieved in today's Scotland.
What other city centre in the world connects to not one but two international airports so quickly and easily? Three if you count Embra.

[Composer62]

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irc said:

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Here's a 1974 film of the M8 shot by my dad.

https://www.scottishroadsarchive.org/inner-ring-ro...

That's outstanding. Thanks for sharing it.
As a Glasgow native I remember the protests at the time, but I'd forgotten the original proposal for a complete ring road.
It's unimaginable that anything like this could be achieved in today's Scotland.
What other city centre in the world connects to not one but two international airports so quickly and easily? Three if you count Embra.

That was fantastic IRC. Thank you so much. You must be so proud,

I actually can't imagine an engineering project like that being possible now in Scotland.

It would just end in utter chaos,

[hidetheelephants]

A bit unfair; the M74 completion through Rutherglen went more or less to schedule and budget.

[emicen]

hidetheelephants said:

A bit unfair; the M74 completion through Rutherglen went more or less to schedule and budget.

If you read up on the history of the approval and legal challenges, in modern times having the SNP in power backed up by the Greens would grenade any chance of the project ever starting. The important work, and crucially the legal challenges, were mostly complete before the SNP got anywhere near office.

Compare and contrast with the A9 dualling fiasco and the not-really-fit-for-purpose Queensferry crossing “delivered” on time but needing another 2 years of nightly touch ups, think it’s fair to say the ability of our country to put in place major infrastructure has really gone down the pan.

[irc]

emicen said:

hidetheelephants said:

A bit unfair; the M74 completion through Rutherglen went more or less to schedule and budget.

If you read up on the history of the approval and legal challenges, in modern times having the SNP in power backed up by the Greens would grenade any chance of the project ever starting. The important work, and crucially the legal challenges, were mostly complete before the SNP got anywhere near office.

Correct. The go ahead was in 2005. The M74 Completion very nearly wasn't built. The enquiry reporter believed the green blob and ruled against it. It only went ahead because the Labour Minister over - ruled the reporter. That would never happen under an SNP/Green coalition.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12396015.the-m...

[irc]

The Green DRS scheme will result in another 198 lorries on the roads to do the colections.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/f...

"Police investigating fraud allegations at the SNP are probing high value transactions including vehicle purchases made by the party.

Senior figures have been quizzed by detectives about items of spending and also gifts dating back to 2018 as part of the investigation codenamed Operation Branchform."

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/p...

The Sunday Times (paper version) has a story that Liz Lloyd phoned Kate Forbes and told her not to run for election as leader.


Another glowing tribute from a former aide mentions the Sturgeon forgot nothing. Hmmm.

Edited by irc on Sunday 26th March 10:58

[csd19]

Master Of Puppets said:

Very telling that there hasn't even been a tweet from Murrell on his wifes exit speech, absolutely zilch. Methinks all is very much not
well with the Murrgeons.

Is it now a marriage of inconvenience, how long until we hear they have seperated, surely it's coming?

It's been a sham marriage forever. It's almost as if they live completely separate lives

You'll need to wait for wee Paddy to get the boot before Narnia Pete will pop up.

[Se7enheaven]

Chances of prosecution brought against these SNP scumbags ? I’m praying they get their comeuppance, but as with most things in Scotland we will likely be let down and disappointed unfortunately.

[cuprabob]

I pity the instructor who is teaching Wee Nippy to drive as I can't imagine she'll be a good pupil and take criticism well

[eccles]

cuprabob said:

I pity the instructor who is teaching Wee Nippy to drive as I can't imagine she'll be a good pupil and take criticism well

She'll never fail her test, she never fails at anything!