Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 11

[irc]

SKS won't need SNP votes. As long as he can out vote the Tories/Lib Dems he can get any laws through that he likes. The SNP won't vote a Labour govt out. Last time they did that the next PM was Thatcher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_vote_of_no_conf...

[Ridgemont]

And this is why the Independence movement is fked.
From Wings.
If you basically start from a point that 22% of voters have an invalid opinion you aren’t a unifying force.

The Bruce at least started from the principle that all Scots were welcome (unless you were Comyn) and believed genuinely in AUIB.

These clowns aren’t interested in independence. They assume it is a stepping stone to something more important.

[Klippie]

So useless is now FM...I never saw that one coming, the odd's must have been millions to one him winning...or has some dirty dealings been going on in the background that we are unaware of.

The good news is the blue touch-paper has been lit and its only a matter of time before he makes a catastrophic fk-up and explodes like a cheap Roman Candle as he hasn't the chops for debate or to make a meaningful come-back when questioned.

I've got the popcorn ready..!!!

[sherman]

Klippie said:

So useless is now FM...I never saw that one coming, the odd's must have been millions to one him winning...or has some dirty dealings been going on in the background that we are unaware of.

The good news is the blue touch-paper has been lit and its only a matter of time before he makes a catastrophic fk-up and explodes like a cheap Roman Candle as he hasn't the chops for debate or to make a meaningful come-back when questioned.

I've got the popcorn ready..!!!

He is Party leader.
All the MSPs have to vote for who is to be the FM tomorrow. It needs a majority of the msp's to become FM. You dont automatically get it.
Douglas Ross is running for FM.
Its pretty much a formality but with the cracks showing in the snp there could be a few rebels

[Roderick Spode]

Klippie said:

...or has some dirty dealings been going on in the background that we are unaware of.

Have you heard of Pedro "Two Magpies" Murrell?

[Roderick Spode]

sherman said:

Douglas Ross is running for FM.

Could you imagine the squealing from the nats if Holyrood decided not to vote for Yousless, but instead some unholy alliance of Yoonyionist parties and rebels elected Dougie the linesman instead? Oh boy it would be worth it for the hilarity alone. They would definitely be finished at that point.

Personally I think the election of Humza the race baiting grifter as FM isn't a foregone conclusion... he's not well liked with the wider party, and there might just be enough SNP MSPs outside the Sturgeon tent to refuse to back him. It's unlikely I'll grant you, but stranger things have happened. I simultaneously hope he gets it and doesn't get it - he will undoubtedly be the downfall of the SNP, but then he is a detestable human being with appalling views, and will cause untold chaos with his policy agenda.

[JagLover]

Ridgemont said:

And there seems to be a significant chunk suggesting it’s been rigged, which given all the nonsense around membership numbers is hardly surprising.
Lots of ‘SNP is over, I’m off to Alba’.
If that momentum keeps up then the next Holyrood elections will be interesting to watch.

As far as I can see the contest very much was rigged. It was announced when one of the leading candidates was on maternity leave. Only one of the prospective candidates would have been given prior notice and time to prepare. The establishment of the party then gave its support, including no doubt mailing lists etc, to only one of the candidates.

Following all that the chosen one only just managed to scrape it with 52% of the votes. For those opposed to Scottish independence this was likely a very good result as Yousaf is likely only the chosen one to keep the heat off Sturgeon rather than for any long term purpose and the SNP may implode from here. The contest came a bit early for Forbes but she looked far more dangerous in being able to capture the middle ground. As Daisley in the Spectator said the problem with her is that he might end up voting for her.

Edited by JagLover on Tuesday 28th March 06:40

[ZedLeg]

That's par for the course these days, isn't it. People don't like the result of something "must've been rigged".

[JagLover]

That Wings article was right about one thing. Forbes did look genuinely pleased not to have won

[Evercross]

ZedLeg said:

That's par for the course these days, isn't it. People don't like the result of something "must've been rigged".

There's plenty of reason to believe that the result has been influenced, notwithstanding the removal of the person responsible for running the election half-way through the process and a continued steadfast outright refusal to allow independent third-party scrutiny.

Humza also hinted on two occasions that he was aware of the rolling count before voting closed.

An 'impartial' civil servant and perjurer also contacted Kate Forbes and advised her not to stand against Humza.

Then there is the interference that even the mainstream media reported, such as Emma Harper breaking electoral rules by using party and government resources to promote one candidate. She later apologised for what she did, but the damage caused was not undone - bearing in mind some of the votes would have already been cast as a result of her unlawful acts this in-and-of-itself should have been a reason to halt the process and start again.

All this against a background of a party that dispensed with its own rules on running leadership elections - a rule book that stipulated a timetable that was foreshortened with no reason given for doing so, and then the rules suddenly disappeared from the SNP website.

There is a stink about this that will follow Humza forever more.

Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 28th March 07:28

[hiccy18]

ZedLeg said:

That's par for the course these days, isn't it. People don't like the result of something "must've been rigged".

Not sure of everyone who's in the Murrell Independence Five, but we know! They definitely rigged it!

[Timothy Bucktu]

I imagine Toyota pickups have gone up in value?

[Ian974]

So 52%/48% actually is a decisive result when it goes the way they want it? Who knew...

[Ridgemont]

Ian974 said:

So 52%/48% actually is a decisive result when it goes the way they want it? Who knew...

Expect 3 years of roadblock and chaos in parliament… at least this time we have a presiding officer with a track record of probity and integrity….

[irc]

Radio Scotland phone in. Caller commentating on Forbes being business friendly. "there is more to the economy than business"

Dear, dear. Next caller says all problems in govt are because the SNP can't borrow enough money!

Toarees!

[ant1973]

JagLover said:

Ridgemont said:

And there seems to be a significant chunk suggesting it’s been rigged, which given all the nonsense around membership numbers is hardly surprising.
Lots of ‘SNP is over, I’m off to Alba’.
If that momentum keeps up then the next Holyrood elections will be interesting to watch.

As far as I can see the contest very much was rigged. It was announced when one of the leading candidates was on maternity leave. Only one of the prospective candidates would have been given prior notice and time to prepare. The establishment of the party then gave its support, including no doubt mailing lists etc, to only one of the candidates.

Following all that the chosen one only just managed to scrape it with 52% of the votes. For those opposed to Scottish independence this was likely a very good result as Yousaf is likely only the chosen one to keep the heat off Sturgeon rather than for any long term purpose and the SNP may implode from here. The contest came a bit early for Forbes but she looked far more dangerous in being able to capture the middle ground. As Daisley in the Spectator said the problem with her is that he might end up voting for her.

Edited by JagLover on Tuesday 28th March 06:40

Sturgeon was able to project the illusion of competence. Humza has no chance of that. He has buffoonerish tendencies and a flash of anger greets those that question him. He is somewhat charmless, and will have relatively little appeal.

As Frankie Boyle once said of someone else: he has all the authority of a "do not tumble dry label."

[ant1973]

Evercross said:

There's plenty of reason to believe that the result has been influenced, notwithstanding the removal of the person responsible for running the election half-way through the process and a continued steadfast outright refusal to allow independent third-party scrutiny.

Humza also hinted on two occasions that he was aware of the rolling count before voting closed.

An 'impartial' civil servant and perjurer also contacted Kate Forbes and advised her not to stand against Humza.

Then there is the interference that even the mainstream media reported, such as Emma Harper breaking electoral rules by using party and government resources to promote one candidate. She later apologised for what she did, but the damage caused was not undone - bearing in mind some of the votes would have already been cast as a result of her unlawful acts this in-and-of-itself should have been a reason to halt the process and start again.

All this against a background of a party that dispensed with its own rules on running leadership elections - a rule book that stipulated a timetable that was foreshortened with no reason given for doing so, and then the rules suddenly disappeared from the SNP website.

There is a stink about this that will follow Humza forever more.

Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 28th March 07:28

The "digging" about Humza has already begun.

Second most read story on the Helald website last night was one about his first wife advocating that people vote essentially against him.

Fifth most read story was about his current wife.

[S600BSB]

irc said:

SKS won't need SNP votes. As long as he can out vote the Tories/Lib Dems he can get any laws through that he likes. The SNP won't vote a Labour govt out. Last time they did that the next PM was Thatcher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_vote_of_no_conf...

Hope you are right, but Scotland is definitely back in play again in a way it hasn't been at the last few elections. Hopefully Labour can do well.

[SpeckledJim]

Twenty hours into the glorious future, has Nick Robinson got him to lose his temper on air yet?

[CallThatMusic]

anonymoususer said:

SpeckledJim said:

Evercross said:

ant1973 said:

Sturgeon and Murrell enforced discipline.

Look at the last 6 weeks.

Not an earthly chance it's going to be business as usual.

Humza couldn't successfully maintain appropriate insurance to ride a three wheel scooter if he tried....

And that's before the digging begins.

Murrel will still be lurking in the background for sure. Their preferred candidate 'won'.

Yousef is an angry man though. Easily triggered and comes across as aggressive and overbearing when even slightly pushed. He'll need to get some media training pronto-tonto or he will very quickly turn-off the voters who pick personality rather than policy (ie. the ones that thought Sturgeon was brilliant because she was slicker on TV compared to Boris).

He’s an absolute walloper.

The media will get him on tilt inside a week.

I realise people will have strong views about his victory and that some mistrust and are wary of him . To those people I would just like them to consider the following:

Is there nothing he can say, nothing he can do ?
To change your minds to believe in him too
He will be your saviour be steadfast and true
He will do his best to come to Scotlands rescue


Excellent, nicely played….
I’m now “on side” ; I’ve seen the light.