Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 11

[dxg]

irc said:

There is a detailed article in the business section. among the issues is the £1Bn cost of changing to powering the plant with hydrogen and doing CO2 capture for Net Zero targets.

Money talks. Those refinery jobs will be exported to somewhere that ignores or pays lip service to net zero.

Another SNP triumph. The cash for new investment would need to come from China who own half and hald ended up being responsible for investing any more capital needed.

They don't give a fk about Scottish jobs.

So Net zero probably means zero refining jobs in Scotland.

I know the UK govt is also net zero BS but they didn't ban fracking which was part of the long term plan for Grangemouth.

Edited by irc on Sunday 8th May 15:56

Are you sure their goal isn't net zero economic activity?

[Klippie]

SNP secret meeting...right they're on to us about the ferry's, quick someone come up with something new to deflect the questions - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...

They win some meaningless council seats and all of a sudden this means Scotland wants INDEPENDANCE, with everything else that's going on just now and they bring up this toxic pish...scum of the earth.

[hidetheelephants]

Klippie said:

SNP secret meeting...right they're on to us about the ferry's, quick someone come up with something new to deflect the questions - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...

They win some meaningless council seats and all of a sudden this means Scotland wants INDEPENDANCE, with everything else that's going on just now and they bring up this toxic pish...scum of the earth.

488 councillors from parties in favour
583 councillors from parties against
152 councillors for the undecided

I'm not a maths whizz but that looks like it leans more no than yes.

[csd19]

hidetheelephants said:

Klippie said:

SNP secret meeting...right they're on to us about the ferry's, quick someone come up with something new to deflect the questions - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-po...

They win some meaningless council seats and all of a sudden this means Scotland wants INDEPENDANCE, with everything else that's going on just now and they bring up this toxic pish...scum of the earth.

488 councillors from parties in favour
583 councillors from parties against
152 councillors for the undecided

I'm not a maths whizz but that looks like it leans more no than yes.

"An appetite for independence"?

Looks more like she's got an appetite for Greggs.

[rider73]

i give up with scottish voters - really...... i cannot believe any gains, even if going from Tory to somewhere else, Labour seems the better option , but SNP seemed to make gains and can now slap a smiley face on everything and wave the nationalist flag even harder.

lets have the indy vote asap.

lets see the real arguments and solutions

then hopefully it will be done and dusted, either put to bed for a very long time, or we'll be knee deep in so much smelly stuff it will wake up the scottish people as to what is going on

[Scotty2]

It had. There was a vote, and "The People of Scotland" said No Thank You.
For a generation I was told...

How to undermine future investment in Scotland by trying to overturn the outcome, is the result.

[Roderick Spode]

dxg said:

irc said:

There is a detailed article in the business section. among the issues is the £1Bn cost of changing to powering the plant with hydrogen and doing CO2 capture for Net Zero targets.

Money talks. Those refinery jobs will be exported to somewhere that ignores or pays lip service to net zero.

Another SNP triumph. The cash for new investment would need to come from China who own half and hald ended up being responsible for investing any more capital needed.

They don't give a fk about Scottish jobs.

So Net zero probably means zero refining jobs in Scotland.

I know the UK govt is also net zero BS but they didn't ban fracking which was part of the long term plan for Grangemouth.

Edited by irc on Sunday 8th May 15:56

Are you sure their goal isn't net zero economic activity?

Net zero media scrutiny.

[Pastor Of Muppets]

Roderick Spode said:

Net zero media scrutiny.

Maybe it's because they are st scared of the woman who has complete control of the police and judiciary, put a foot wrong or print a word out of line and she will set them about you.....

WoS said...
Unfortunately, as well as breaking the story about the missing money in the first place, this site also discovered that the Crown Office in Scotland is accountable to absolutely nobody (except, perhaps, the Queen herself).

Those facts effectively place the First Minister (and the rest of her government and anyone else she feels like) above the law of the land. All she has to do is lean on her minister, the Lord Advocate, to lean on the police, and any crime can be simply magicked away even on the most absurdly, obviously untrue premise.

And readers, it’s increasingly hard to argue that a country whose leader is beyond the reach of the law is a country in any fit state for independence.

Scotland is lost...... https://wingsoverscotland.com/scotland-is-lost/#mo...

[Drawweight]

This tread is entitled Scottish Referendum /Independence.

Anyone is perfectly free to come on here and make a good case for independence if they are able.

There are 15 officials working full time on a prospectus so presumably the Nats will produce some positive fiscal gain for Scotland.

Maybe Pistonheads can help them along.

[s2kjock]

Drawweight said:

There are 15 officials working full time on a prospectus

15?! Does that it take that many to paint something on the side of a bus?

Surely there are better ways to send £600k

[Roderick Spode]

s2kjock said:

Drawweight said:

There are 15 officials working full time on a prospectus

15?! Does that it take that many to paint something on the side of a bus?

Surely there are better ways to send £600k

To be fair, there's only one who is looking at secession. The other 14 are manning the shredders.

[sherman]

https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politi...

Edinburgh council.

Lib dems say no to an snp coalition. Its either an snp- green coalition but not overall control or a labour-lib-green coalition and the snp with the most seats and no control.

Really would be good to see the snp out of power. Might actually be the begining of the end.

Edited by sherman on Monday 9th May 22:46

[s2kjock]

I'm not sure lib lab green would be great if it meant more anti car lunacy as a condition of support.

[sherman]

s2kjock said:

I'm not sure lib lab green would be great if it meant more anti car lunacy as a condition of support.

Congestion charge is an SNP policy https://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/snp-pledge...

[DocJock]

s2kjock said:

I'm not sure lib lab green would be great if it meant more anti car lunacy as a condition of support.

Could they actually be any more anti-car than currently?

[Scotty2]

SNP Stuart Hosie on Politics Live arguing that the £250 Million pounds spent on ferries "was not wasted". That's OK then...

I wish they had gone into who had bought the yard, why, and how many jobs it actually saved.

And that you could have bought several £14-£20 M ferries and still had change...

[Roderick Spode]

Scotty2 said:

SNP Stuart Hosie on Politics Live arguing that the £250 Million pounds spent on ferries "was not wasted". That's OK then...

I wish they had gone into who had bought the yard, why, and how many jobs it actually saved.

And that you could have bought several £14-£20 M ferries and still had change...

For some reason standard politics type current affair programmes appear to be unable, or unwilling, to apply the slightest scintilla of scrutiny to the SNP, their governance, or their policies. This could be due to the Beeb's inherent left leaning bias, or indeed the love the media endure for anyone who would oppose those bastirt Toareees at Westminster. The SNP fulfil the criteria required for the media to accept and pander to them, and it is never a surprise when journalists refuse to scrutinise them.

[Roderick Spode]

contango said:

What is there to scrutinise the scottish government on, the populice keep voting for them. so they must be doing something right?

Quite. Which came first - the media sycophancy & lack of scrutiny, or the cult devotion and unquestioning obsessiveness?

[Evercross]

contango said:

What is there to scrutinise the scottish government on, the populice keep voting for them. so they must be doing something right?

I have been lurking on the Boris/Starmer and Partygate/Beer and Curry threads, and I am utterly befuddled by the people who think these 'rule breaches' are utterly heinous, while Sturgeon can lie to Holyrood (both parliament and enquiries), piss billions up the wall), conduct (and lose) malicious prosecutions on political grounds, corrupt the head of the judiciary judiciary by giving them a political role, yet still her and her party are treated like a benign force by the media.

I am now utterly convinced that there is a 'light touch' approach being encouraged by the Conservatives to maintain the SNP's domination of Scottish politics in order to 'block-out' 40-50 Westminster seats from Labour. It is about time the 'left leaning' English media got wise to this game and realised that the SNP pose a bigger problem for Labour ever returning to power than the Conservatives will ever do and turn their attention to the easy target that is Nicola Sturgeon if they genuinely want to end the right's stranglehold on UK politics.

I have also mentioned on these threads that I can understand why Boris (and now Starmer) believe they can brazen out these petty media stories. Sturgeon has demonstrated that you can do far, far worse for far longer and stay in power as long as you manage the optics.

Edited by Evercross on Tuesday 10th May 14:09

[glazbagun]

Roderick Spode said:

contango said:

What is there to scrutinise the scottish government on, the populice keep voting for them. so they must be doing something right?

Quite. Which came first - the media sycophancy & lack of scrutiny, or the cult devotion and unquestioning obsessiveness?

I'd say the latter given my memory of this:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-i...

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/aug/21/bbc-...

If you ever visit r/Scotland on Reddit, you'll frequently encounter the allegation that the BBC is a Tory channel hell bent on opposing saint Nicola for their beloved conservative masters in London.