Scottish Politics / Independence - Vol 11
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Roderick Spode said:
She has shown herself to be an unquestioning acolyte of the Dear Leader, ticks various demographic boxes, and has the intelligence of a house brick.
Name a competent SNP minister who is on top of their brief. Sturgeon surrounds herself with intellectual pygmies, to make herself look good, and to ensure there is never a challenge from within her own ranks.
Compare this approach to Mrs Thatcher - love her or loathe her, it's fair to say that she was one of the most skilled political operators of the last 50 years. Save perhaps for the very end, or the 'bunker phase' as it became known - much like where Mammy Sturgeon is now. Thatcher surrounded herself with relatively intelligent, talented people, ministers were expected to be completely up to speed with their brief, and would be interrogated as such. Sturgeon has a team of nodding donkeys and yes men & women, who will bovinely go along with the party mantra, never challenge anything, and so terrible policy gets nodded through without the slightest scrutiny. Thatcher loved a good debate, and would enjoy kicking ideas and policies around for hours at a time with ministers and subject matter experts. Sturgeon and the party policy wonks decree policy, no debate or dissent is permitted.
The SNP - a vapid, talent-free hegemonic dictatorship intent on the destruction of civic Scotland.
New word for the day Name a competent SNP minister who is on top of their brief. Sturgeon surrounds herself with intellectual pygmies, to make herself look good, and to ensure there is never a challenge from within her own ranks.
Compare this approach to Mrs Thatcher - love her or loathe her, it's fair to say that she was one of the most skilled political operators of the last 50 years. Save perhaps for the very end, or the 'bunker phase' as it became known - much like where Mammy Sturgeon is now. Thatcher surrounded herself with relatively intelligent, talented people, ministers were expected to be completely up to speed with their brief, and would be interrogated as such. Sturgeon has a team of nodding donkeys and yes men & women, who will bovinely go along with the party mantra, never challenge anything, and so terrible policy gets nodded through without the slightest scrutiny. Thatcher loved a good debate, and would enjoy kicking ideas and policies around for hours at a time with ministers and subject matter experts. Sturgeon and the party policy wonks decree policy, no debate or dissent is permitted.
The SNP - a vapid, talent-free hegemonic dictatorship intent on the destruction of civic Scotland.
The Rev ain't happy. He isn't you know. Not one tiny bit.
Rev Stu said:
But point 10 doesn’t even BEGIN to mean anything until Sturgeon carries out Point 8 by requesting a Section 30 again, at which point the process outlined in the plan – passing the bill, testing the question, deciding the date, resolving any legal challenge in the Supreme Court – could get under way.
It would all have to be done and dusted by about this time next year to allow time for a few months of actual campaign before a vote by September/October 2023 at the latest. (Because you really, really can’t gamble on having an indyref in Scotland in November or December and making the whole thing hostage to winter weather.)
Anyone who thinks there’s the tiniest chance of all that happening within the next year when it took nearly half a decade to produce the 745 words of padded-out nothing-fluff in the draft bill is, frankly, a drooling imbecile who shouldn’t be allowed to buy biscuits unsupervised, let alone decide the future of a nation.
You can fire as many guns as you like, but nobody’s even on the way to the bus stop to get to the stadium yet, never mind on the starting blocks. They’re all back home, eating bunch after bunch of limp, rancid, rotten carrots.
https://wingsoverscotland.com/firing-blanks/It would all have to be done and dusted by about this time next year to allow time for a few months of actual campaign before a vote by September/October 2023 at the latest. (Because you really, really can’t gamble on having an indyref in Scotland in November or December and making the whole thing hostage to winter weather.)
Anyone who thinks there’s the tiniest chance of all that happening within the next year when it took nearly half a decade to produce the 745 words of padded-out nothing-fluff in the draft bill is, frankly, a drooling imbecile who shouldn’t be allowed to buy biscuits unsupervised, let alone decide the future of a nation.
You can fire as many guns as you like, but nobody’s even on the way to the bus stop to get to the stadium yet, never mind on the starting blocks. They’re all back home, eating bunch after bunch of limp, rancid, rotten carrots.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34821669
If you come across Nicola Sturgeon on a desert island, expect to find a "hot-headed, impulsive" character, blasting out a Cilla Black record and reading a biography of Lady Thatcher.
If you come across Nicola Sturgeon on a desert island, expect to find a "hot-headed, impulsive" character, blasting out a Cilla Black record and reading a biography of Lady Thatcher.
Aye.... but Toaries!!!! Westmonster!!! Thatcher!!!! It's all their fault.
In other news.......
The Spectator calling our the SNP hypocrisy on their power sharing stance.
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spectato...
In other news.......
The Spectator calling our the SNP hypocrisy on their power sharing stance.
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.spectato...
Roderick Spode said:
She has shown herself to be an unquestioning acolyte of the Dear Leader, ticks various demographic boxes, and has the intelligence of a house brick.
Name a competent SNP minister who is on top of their brief. Sturgeon surrounds herself with intellectual pygmies, to make herself look good, and to ensure there is never a challenge from within her own ranks.
Compare this approach to Mrs Thatcher - love her or loathe her, it's fair to say that she was one of the most skilled political operators of the last 50 years. Save perhaps for the very end, or the 'bunker phase' as it became known - much like where Mammy Sturgeon is now. Thatcher surrounded herself with relatively intelligent, talented people, ministers were expected to be completely up to speed with their brief, and would be interrogated as such. Sturgeon has a team of nodding donkeys and yes men & women, who will bovinely go along with the party mantra, never challenge anything, and so terrible policy gets nodded through without the slightest scrutiny. Thatcher loved a good debate, and would enjoy kicking ideas and policies around for hours at a time with ministers and subject matter experts. Sturgeon and the party policy wonks decree policy, no debate or dissent is permitted.
The SNP - a vapid, talent-free hegemonic dictatorship intent on the destruction of civic Scotland.
One of the best things I have read on here in yonks Name a competent SNP minister who is on top of their brief. Sturgeon surrounds herself with intellectual pygmies, to make herself look good, and to ensure there is never a challenge from within her own ranks.
Compare this approach to Mrs Thatcher - love her or loathe her, it's fair to say that she was one of the most skilled political operators of the last 50 years. Save perhaps for the very end, or the 'bunker phase' as it became known - much like where Mammy Sturgeon is now. Thatcher surrounded herself with relatively intelligent, talented people, ministers were expected to be completely up to speed with their brief, and would be interrogated as such. Sturgeon has a team of nodding donkeys and yes men & women, who will bovinely go along with the party mantra, never challenge anything, and so terrible policy gets nodded through without the slightest scrutiny. Thatcher loved a good debate, and would enjoy kicking ideas and policies around for hours at a time with ministers and subject matter experts. Sturgeon and the party policy wonks decree policy, no debate or dissent is permitted.
The SNP - a vapid, talent-free hegemonic dictatorship intent on the destruction of civic Scotland.
Roderick Spode said:
He's quite an entertaining read firing into the SNP and I found myself quite liking him, until the dawning realisation hits that he is a truly rancid individual in almost every conceivable way other than his loathing of the SNP. The fact he lives in Bath aswell just says it all really.Edinburgh Council -SNP out
Labour minority control with Lib dem and conservative backing.
Lib dem Lord provost too.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-ou...
Labour minority control with Lib dem and conservative backing.
Lib dem Lord provost too.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-ou...
sherman said:
Edinburgh Council -SNP out
Labour minority control with Lib dem and conservative backing.
Lib dem Lord provost too.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-ou...
Some very salty nationalists on various Edinburgh pages on social media, bleating about democracy, red & yellow toaarreees, the election was stolen, bastirt yoons & the SNP getting robbed.Labour minority control with Lib dem and conservative backing.
Lib dem Lord provost too.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-ou...
Those same braindead nats are also on the Dumfries & Galloway Council faceache page, crowing mightily about the SNP shutting 'the yoons' out of power, despite not being the largest party.
You couldn't mark their brass neck with a blowtorch.
Oh FFS, salty?, that would be putting it very mild, some of the 'brains' in the SNat movement are absolutely addled, take a read of this trash...
https://archive.ph/DS14Z
https://archive.ph/DS14Z
Siko said:
He's quite an entertaining read firing into the SNP and I found myself quite liking him, until the dawning realisation hits that he is a truly rancid individual in almost every conceivable way other than his loathing of the SNP. The fact he lives in Bath aswell just says it all really.
And why not? Living in Spain didn't stop James Bond supporting the SNP. Or various luvvies living elsewhere shouting for indy.Far be it from me to say that as wealthy people if they loved Scotland so much why don't they live here?
Pastor Of Muppets said:
Oh FFS, salty?, that would be putting it very mild, some of the 'brains' in the SNat movement are absolutely addled, take a read of this trash...
https://archive.ph/DS14Z
Hagiographic balderdash.https://archive.ph/DS14Z
Her international mooching and swaggering aboot has been to try and carve out a wee role for her outside of ScotGov , i suspect she is lining up a nice wee earner - and i suspect she might be lining that up with the boldest gesture of all, "Tories wont give me the vote (legally), so i will step down at the end of this term...." - a brilliant way and a last hurrah, to hide behind independence rather than to be either ousted by the party, or be ousted by the public.....
Pastor Of Muppets said:
Oh FFS, salty?, that would be putting it very mild, some of the 'brains' in the SNat movement are absolutely addled, take a read of this trash...
https://archive.ph/DS14Z
It would be a brave gamble to resign as First Minister and not appoint a successor, thus collapsing Holyrood. The resulting election may not go quite as they planned, especially if it is framed as a proxy for an independence vote. If the SNP fail to secure 50% +1 of the vote - what then? They may be the largest party, but there will be no 'democratic mandate' for independence. If they do secure 50% +1 of the vote - what then? Make a UDI Catalan style declaration? The British Government and other interested global powers may take a very dim view indeed of such an approach. Enter into a protracted negotiation process with the British Government? They would refuse to recognise any such approach, as Constitutional matters are outwith the competence of the devolved Holyrood assembly.https://archive.ph/DS14Z
It's hard to see what they would meaningfully gain as a result of such a dramatic approach. In the meantime, individuals with the skills and financial capabilities to do so would be rushing south at dramatic speed, as too would businesses and investment. As Sir Humphrey Appleby would have said - the most courageous policy you have ever proposed, Minister...
rider73 said:
Her international mooching and swaggering aboot has been to try and carve out a wee role for her outside of ScotGov , i suspect she is lining up a nice wee earner - and i suspect she might be lining that up with the boldest gesture of all, "Tories wont give me the vote (legally), so i will step down at the end of this term...." - a brilliant way and a last hurrah, to hide behind independence rather than to be either ousted by the party, or be ousted by the public.....
I think this might be the end game plan. I just fear what mess is going to be left between now and then. 
sherman said:
Edinburgh Council -SNP out
Labour minority control with Lib dem and conservative backing.
Lib dem Lord provost too.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-ou...
That article reads as “could” not “has”, did Sarwar not say he wouldn’t go into coalition with the Tories & didn’t a load of Aberdeen labour councillors not lose the whip for doing so last time round?Labour minority control with Lib dem and conservative backing.
Lib dem Lord provost too.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-ou...
Roderick Spode said:
It would be a brave gamble to resign as First Minister and not appoint a successor, thus collapsing Holyrood. The resulting election may not go quite as they planned, especially if it is framed as a proxy for an independence vote. If the SNP fail to secure 50% +1 of the vote - what then? They may be the largest party, but there will be no 'democratic mandate' for independence. If they do secure 50% +1 of the vote - what then? Make a UDI Catalan style declaration? The British Government and other interested global powers may take a very dim view indeed of such an approach. Enter into a protracted negotiation process with the British Government? They would refuse to recognise any such approach, as Constitutional matters are outwith the competence of the devolved Holyrood assembly.
It's hard to see what they would meaningfully gain as a result of such a dramatic approach. In the meantime, individuals with the skills and financial capabilities to do so would be rushing south at dramatic speed, as too would businesses and investment. As Sir Humphrey Appleby would have said - the most courageous policy you have ever proposed, Minister...
How would they go about not appointing a successor?It's hard to see what they would meaningfully gain as a result of such a dramatic approach. In the meantime, individuals with the skills and financial capabilities to do so would be rushing south at dramatic speed, as too would businesses and investment. As Sir Humphrey Appleby would have said - the most courageous policy you have ever proposed, Minister...
I know that at the beginning of each parliamentary term following an election, the Parliament does officially vote on the appointment of the First Minister. The parties either vote for their own leader, support a coalition candidate or abstain. I don't think a majority vote of all MSPs is required - it's simply whoever gets the most votes in the chamber.
This how would they go about ensuring that the opposition don't band together to vote in a First Minister or trick the SNP into winning a vote (by planning to band together they voting for different candidates/abstaining at the last moment?
Seems more likely that it would fail
hidetheelephants said:
Pastor Of Muppets said:
Oh FFS, salty?, that would be putting it very mild, some of the 'brains' in the SNat movement are absolutely addled, take a read of this trash...
https://archive.ph/DS14Z
Hagiographic balderdash.https://archive.ph/DS14Z
There is so much straw clutching in that piece it beggars belief. Plus this would only work if the SNP were absolutely united in their stance and could guarantee an overall majority of MSPs in both the to-be-collapsed and subsequent elections. Something as simple as an opportunist rival from within the ranks of the SNP deciding to stand as replacement FM would kill this off at the first stage (especially if it only required a few SNP members to break ranks, and the rival got the cheeky support of the unionist parties).
That's just two of the things that make it highly unlikely, before you even think of how this would play out for Sturgeon. She would only do this if she thought she was jumping before she was pushed, in which case it would be bound to failure as the electoral trajectory for nationalism would already be downward and/or party unity would no longer be a given.
Edited by Evercross on Wednesday 25th May 12:30
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