Protesters blocking various M25 Junctions

[QuickQuack]

98elise said:

LeadFarmer said:

anonymoususer said:

dsmith21 said:

46and2 said:

Range rover lady means business

Christ, she's the archetypal Essex woman isn't she, couldn't get little Romeo to skool, awww diddums, fking hilarious. You could open bank vaults with that screeching gob. What a slag

You sound a delightfull chap. So she is an entitles **** because she takes her son to school ?
Maybe she is acaring mother who thinksgetting her child to school is an important part of the day.

For some reason there does seem to be a thing lately with folk expecting all kids to walk to school, and if they get dropped off by their parents then they are spoilt brats and their parents are over protective.

This completely ignores the fact that some caring parents can't afford to live close to a reasonable school so have to sacrifice their own time and reduce their working hours just to be able to get their kids safely to the school, in the morning and back home again. Those parents are probably giving up more for their kids welfare than anyone else.

Distance from school is one of the main deciding factors in getting a place. If you live over a certain distance then you get free bus travel. If you're poor the free travel kicks in at a shorter distance.

Thee really isn't any need for so many people to drive their kids to school.

We have a school in our street. It's very popular and oversubscribed (it only has 30 places a year). We live about 100 metres from it and when we applied we were told we may not get a place. At school opening and closing the street is rammed with cars yet everyone will be from the immediate area.

Well done you, you have a school in your street. We don't have school in our village let alone our street, and there isn't one in the nearest 2 villages either. Even the nearest state school is several miles away via single lane, single carriageway, NSL A- and B-roads with high speed corners, lorries, tractors, zombie commuters, steep hills and, funnily enough, no pavements. I wouldn't want the university age Little QQ1 & 2 cycling on those roads at rush hour let alone the junior school age Little QQ3. We also have no public transport of any kind to or from the village. We used to have a weekly bus service a decade ago but lost that years ago in the cuts. We've been driving the kids in for years and absolutely have to. Although this was disrupted during COVID, we share the drive with other parents from the village to minimise the cars/journeys/CO2.

Not everyone lives in an inner city/suburban bubble surrounded by everything within walking distance.

[Biggy Stardust]

eldar said:

Forget cable ties and injunctions. Picolax is the answer.

You're not looking at the bigger picture- cable ties AND picolax is the answer.

[dundarach]

CloudStuff said:

Not true. School bus transport removed here. It's either pay up for a parent-managed system (which is good, and we use). Or drive, which has resulted in much more traffic.

You sure about that?

A Council doesn't have to provide transport for parents choosing to send their children to schools not in their catchment, why should they?

However where a catchment school is full, or the school is beyond walking distance, are you sure?

[QuickQuack]

eldar said:

SeeFive said:

Calling agent Picolax. You are needed on the frontline.

That’ll get them moving quite quickly, in more than one way.

Forget cable ties and injunctions. Picolax is the answer.

Actually, you need furosemide and picolax but not for the protesters. You need them for the HGV drivers stuck at the roadblocks. They then need somewhere to empty out the contents of their bladders and bowels, so what better target practice than someone who's glued to the ground? If they got covered by significant quantity of a mixture of horribly smelly yellow and brown liquid with no way to clean themselves, I doubt they'd try that stunt again. With a bit of screening by the other drivers, no photo evidence would be left either.

Happy to bet anything that urinating and diarrhoeal defecating on the protesters would remove them quicker than the drying time of super glue...

[Red9zero]

dundarach said:

CloudStuff said:

Not true. School bus transport removed here. It's either pay up for a parent-managed system (which is good, and we use). Or drive, which has resulted in much more traffic.

You sure about that?

A Council doesn't have to provide transport for parents choosing to send their children to schools not in their catchment, why should they?

However where a catchment school is full, or the school is beyond walking distance, are you sure?

Similar issue in our village. Nearest school by far is in another area, so kids can't go there. Second nearest runs a small bus service, but that rapidly booked up. Public transport is either way too early or too late, so the only other option is carpooling. Local Councillor has tried talking to the school and bus company, but both say it's down to the other to sort.

[GroundZero]

ralphrj said:

GroundZero said:

Haven't read the whole thread but wondered if the PH legal eagles have commented so far on the two existing laws below:

(1) Obstruction of the highway
https://netpol.org/resources/common-criminal-offen...

(2) UK Terrorism act (parts 1b, 1c, 2c and 2d)
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/11/secti...


Given that extinction rebellion and their offspring are flouting the laws described above, why do we see the police standing by looking on as the lunatics sit in the road?

Given that two laws are being broken in clear sight of the public and the police, wouldn't it be appropriate to send in a sqaud for quick arrests and removal?
There is something that is preventing the police from acting, and wondered what that may be?

Is there another law that the lunatics are using that is 'trumping' the above two laws?

Re: Obstruction of the highway - Section 137 of the Highways Act 1980 says that “if a person, without lawful authority or excuse, in any way wilfully obstructs the free passage along a highway he is guilty of an offence”. The penalty for this offence is a fine and not imprisonment.

I think it was said earlier on in the thread that in a court case following a previous protest a defendant successfully argued that a protest was a legitimate excuse. This set a precedent for similar cases. Either a higher court needs to overrule this or the Government has to pass new legislation making protests like this specifically illegal. The Government has opted to pass new legislation which makes it an offence for a protest to cause a "public nuisance". The bill has had its 3rd reading in Parliament but needs Royal Assent before it can become law. I expect that will happen over the coming months.

Thanks for that reply.
I wonder then how XR are trumping the existing Terrorism laws (as mentioned above), even if a judge has given them a free pass on the "obstruction of the highway" law? The police should still have plenty reason to quickly arrest and jail.

[ESD1711]

Sooner or later this is going to escalate and turn ugly.

I would not be in the least bit surprised if this ends in the death of at least one of these loons.

[anonymoususer]

ESD1711 said:

Sooner or later this is going to escalate and turn ugly.

I would not be in the least bit surprised if this ends in the death of at least one of these loons.

Yep
A worse case for the protesting idiots is that a person is badly injured but dies while waiting for an ambulance to get there. Presumably taking time due to being held up as a consequence of their actions.
No doubt they (demonstrators) will blame the ambulance service and demand a full enquiry.

[Flooble]

SeeFive said:

Calling agent Picolax. You are needed on the frontline.

That’ll get them moving quite quickly, in more than one way.

You are assuming they would be embarrassed to soil themselves. Or would they actually feel a sense of satisfaction at making their protest a dirty one?

I think bird seed and sugar water is probably a better idea. Sprinkle it all over them and wait for the pigeons, ants and flies to appear. Particularly amusing with the ones who have glued their hands to the tarmac as they won't be able to brush the insects off.

[neilr]

Im not a Lowyer but after reading the link posted for the Terrorism Act 2000 I wouldn't be surprised if the words "use or threat of action" and how that is defined are what's important when it relates to these protests. Sitting in the road holding a sign isn't actually threatening anything. It just being a and causing chaos.


Maybe one of the resident lawyers can comment?

[CAPP0]

Is there some way in which an anti-IB group could be formed? The sole point of IB is to block roads to protest. Could the anti-IB group be set up with the sole purpose of protesting against IB, the chosen action being to peacefully move them to the side of the road and peacefully prevent them from returning to their zombie mark in the middle of the road?

I'm not suggesting violence, just removal.

[saaby93]

Any idea why theyre not including Northern Ireland for Insulation?

[98elise]

dundarach said:

CloudStuff said:

Not true. School bus transport removed here. It's either pay up for a parent-managed system (which is good, and we use). Or drive, which has resulted in much more traffic.

You sure about that?

A Council doesn't have to provide transport for parents choosing to send their children to schools not in their catchment, why should they?

However where a catchment school is full, or the school is beyond walking distance, are you sure?

That's how it works in our area.

If you choose a school out if your area then that's on you. If the nearest available school is over 3 miles away (2 miles for low income families) then the council will pay for bus travel.

[anonymous-user]

98elise said:

dundarach said:

CloudStuff said:

Not true. School bus transport removed here. It's either pay up for a parent-managed system (which is good, and we use). Or drive, which has resulted in much more traffic.

You sure about that?

A Council doesn't have to provide transport for parents choosing to send their children to schools not in their catchment, why should they?

However where a catchment school is full, or the school is beyond walking distance, are you sure?

That's how it works in our area.

If you choose a school out if your area then that's on you. If the nearest available school is over 3 miles away (2 miles for low income families) then the council will pay for bus travel.

is that they will pay your bus travel costs or provide a specific bus for you, I suspect its the first

[rjfp1962]

Insulate Britain to suspend campaign according to BBC News..

[Biker 1]

rjfp1962 said:

Insulate Britain to suspend campaign according to BBC News..

I hope this is true! If so, what would have swung it?

[PeteinSQ]

CAPP0 said:

Is there some way in which an anti-IB group could be formed? The sole point of IB is to block roads to protest. Could the anti-IB group be set up with the sole purpose of protesting against IB, the chosen action being to peacefully move them to the side of the road and peacefully prevent them from returning to their zombie mark in the middle of the road?

I'm not suggesting violence, just removal.

How would that work though? You'd need to know where they were planning on protesting, and then you'd have to get there at the same time. Once the protest has started it's difficult to get to scene for obvious reasons.

[ddom]

Biker 1 said:

I hope this is true! If so, what would have swung it?

Time for the yearly wash?

[speedchick]

Biker 1 said:

rjfp1962 said:

Insulate Britain to suspend campaign according to BBC News..

I hope this is true! If so, what would have swung it?

Probably something to do with the tarmac starting to feel colder now

[motco]

ddom said:

Biker 1 said:

I hope this is true! If so, what would have swung it?

Time for the yearly wash?

Water cannon would have quickly washed the dirt away.