Protesters blocking various M25 Junctions

[98elise]

MonkeyMatt said:

98elise said:

dundarach said:

CloudStuff said:

Not true. School bus transport removed here. It's either pay up for a parent-managed system (which is good, and we use). Or drive, which has resulted in much more traffic.

You sure about that?

A Council doesn't have to provide transport for parents choosing to send their children to schools not in their catchment, why should they?

However where a catchment school is full, or the school is beyond walking distance, are you sure?

That's how it works in our area.

If you choose a school out if your area then that's on you. If the nearest available school is over 3 miles away (2 miles for low income families) then the council will pay for bus travel.

is that they will pay your bus travel costs or provide a specific bus for you, I suspect its the first

Yes it's normal bus services in our area.

[anonymous-user]

98elise said:

MonkeyMatt said:

98elise said:

dundarach said:

CloudStuff said:

Not true. School bus transport removed here. It's either pay up for a parent-managed system (which is good, and we use). Or drive, which has resulted in much more traffic.

You sure about that?

A Council doesn't have to provide transport for parents choosing to send their children to schools not in their catchment, why should they?

However where a catchment school is full, or the school is beyond walking distance, are you sure?

That's how it works in our area.

If you choose a school out if your area then that's on you. If the nearest available school is over 3 miles away (2 miles for low income families) then the council will pay for bus travel.

is that they will pay your bus travel costs or provide a specific bus for you, I suspect its the first

Yes it's normal bus services in our area.

I can Imagine a public bus service wouldn't really work as a means to getting to a lot of schools, plus why would you if you had a car.

[Craig W]

Brave Fart said:

Quite. Many of those who sit in the road are useful idiots who genuinely think the issue is insulation. You'd have to be a fool to act that way when your spokesman - Liam Norton - is on TV saying "it's not about insulation".
It's interesting to have a look at the backgrounds of Roger Hallam and Gail Bradbrook (XR co-founders) to see the sort of agendas at play.

I must have been naïve but I had no idea that these types were behind it all. I had my suspicions but never bothered looking anything up.

A couple of article headline gems from Roger Hallam's website:

"Truth will bring down the empire"
"Unite against scientists"

Jeez Louise.

[CAPP0]

Tankrizzo said:

No ideas for a name said:

And they are indeed named, https://highwaysengland.co.uk/media/hrvlnt5y/claim...

A cursory Google of some of those names (the more distinctive ones) is depressingly predictable; they are also members of XR, the Occupy movement, "Stop HS2", anti-airports etc etc. Seems they bounce around from one environmental/anti-capitalist protest to another. I do wonder if any of these people have an actual job they have to go to.

Distinctive enough in some cases for them to easily be fully identified, I would have thought. Maybe sit three people across their drive and stop them leaving the house?

[speedchick]

Ynox said:

My wife is pregnant. One of our possible routes to hospital when she's in labour will involve the M25.

Wonder what to do if these guys decide to turn up. I guess call 999 and wait for the police? I'd imagine they'd not want to allow _anyone_ past.

Have they tried blocking emergency services vehicles yet?

Yes, I believe they blocked an ambulance last week, some drivers dragged them out of the way to let it through.

[No ideas for a name]

CAPP0 said:

Distinctive enough in some cases for them to easily be fully identified, I would have thought. Maybe sit three people across their drive and stop them leaving the house?

Would be amusing to block them from leaving their houses on the day they are due in court.

[otolith]

No ideas for a name said:

CAPP0 said:

Distinctive enough in some cases for them to easily be fully identified, I would have thought. Maybe sit three people across their drive and stop them leaving the house?

Would be amusing to block them from leaving their houses on the day they are due in court.

Using XR banners, claiming that you are doing it for the planet.

[FiF]

On this issue of Insulate Britain, maybe it's my memory giving problems, but I seem to recall getting so brassed off with constant Govt sponsored phone calls urging me to insulate my loft (already done), cavity wall insulation (ditto), install double glazing (again ditto), install a new high efficiency heating system (again sigh, ditto), draught proofing (what do you think,yes ditto), energy survey (see above) that installed a caller blocking system to get rid of the pricks.

So Govt has had a pretty good go at insulating Britain's older housing stock, newer builds have been constructed to better standards and continue to be so. Is it fair to say the target of this alternative set of bell ends is aimed in a strange direction with inherent limitations.

[deckster]

FiF said:

On this issue of Insulate Britain, maybe it's my memory giving problems, but I seem to recall getting so brassed off with constant Govt sponsored phone calls urging me to insulate my loft (already done), cavity wall insulation (ditto), install double glazing (again ditto), install a new high efficiency heating system (again sigh, ditto), draught proofing (what do you think,yes ditto), energy survey (see above) that installed a caller blocking system to get rid of the pricks.

So Govt has had a pretty good go at insulating Britain's older housing stock, newer builds have been constructed to better standards and continue to be so. Is it fair to say the target of this alternative set of bell ends is aimed in a strange direction with inherent limitations.

This lot couldn't give two hoots about insulation. They're just the same old watermelon fanatics who have dreamt up a new tagline to give themselves a bit of respectability ("Look Norman, they want us to have better insulation. Aren't they nice people").

[Zetec-S]

deckster said:

This lot couldn't give two hoots about insulation. They're just the same old watermelon fanatics who have dreamt up a new tagline to give themselves a bit of respectability ("Look Norman, they want us to have better insulation. Aren't they nice people").

[A Winner Is You]

deckster said:

FiF said:

On this issue of Insulate Britain, maybe it's my memory giving problems, but I seem to recall getting so brassed off with constant Govt sponsored phone calls urging me to insulate my loft (already done), cavity wall insulation (ditto), install double glazing (again ditto), install a new high efficiency heating system (again sigh, ditto), draught proofing (what do you think,yes ditto), energy survey (see above) that installed a caller blocking system to get rid of the pricks.

So Govt has had a pretty good go at insulating Britain's older housing stock, newer builds have been constructed to better standards and continue to be so. Is it fair to say the target of this alternative set of bell ends is aimed in a strange direction with inherent limitations.

This lot couldn't give two hoots about insulation. They're just the same old watermelon fanatics who have dreamt up a new tagline to give themselves a bit of respectability ("Look Norman, they want us to have better insulation. Aren't they nice people").

Even if we agreed to all their demands and suddenly insulated every single house over the weekend, they'd be back on Monday waving different banners.

[motco]

Zetec-S said:

deckster said:

This lot couldn't give two hoots about insulation. They're just the same old watermelon fanatics who have dreamt up a new tagline to give themselves a bit of respectability ("Look Norman, they want us to have better insulation. Aren't they nice people").

Roughly 50% of the population are below average intelligence - those are their targets - and their demonstrators.

If we had one of those huge scarlet Ferrari banners that the Tifosi drape over themselves and half a stand's worth of spectators, we could drape it over the protesters (what more suitable logo than a totally pointless consumer of petrol) draw it together around them and knot the corners together like a sack of cats, and drag the whole bunch of loonies away into a field somewhere.

[simonrockman]

No ideas for a name said:

CAPP0 said:

Distinctive enough in some cases for them to easily be fully identified, I would have thought. Maybe sit three people across their drive and stop them leaving the house?

Would be amusing to block them from leaving their houses on the day they are due in court.

That's a very PH attitude, to assume they would drive to court.

[mac96]

simonrockman said:

No ideas for a name said:

CAPP0 said:

Distinctive enough in some cases for them to easily be fully identified, I would have thought. Maybe sit three people across their drive and stop them leaving the house?

Would be amusing to block them from leaving their houses on the day they are due in court.

That's a very PH attitude, to assume they would drive to court.

Well if the 3 people sat immediately outside their front door, or on the stairs of their flats, they couldn't walk to court either...

[Tankrizzo]

otolith said:

They've redacted their addresses, that's not fair. The general public should be able to go and inconvenience them.

I don't know if Highways England know this, but if you were to google the last name on the list and look at the fourth result, it would appear that the Highways England PDF with the unredacted full home addresses is still accessible and indexed by Google.

Oops.

Edited by Tankrizzo on Thursday 14th October 15:58

[Red9zero]

Tankrizzo said:

I don't know if Highways England know this, but if you were to google the last name on the list - Xabier Trimmer - and look at the fourth result, it would appear that the Highways England PDF with the unredacted full home addresses is still accessible and indexed by Google.

Oops.

You're right too Some nice addresses there !

[CAPP0]

Tankrizzo said:

otolith said:

They've redacted their addresses, that's not fair. The general public should be able to go and inconvenience them.

I don't know if Highways England know this, but if you were to google the last name on the list and look at the fourth result, it would appear that the Highways England PDF with the unredacted full home addresses is still accessible and indexed by Google.

Oops.

Edited by Tankrizzo on Thursday 14th October 15:58

Either they've removed it or my Google isn't working like yours. Shame, as I would love to see where they all live - just out of idle curiosity, of course.

[anonymous-user]

Red9zero said:

Tankrizzo said:

I don't know if Highways England know this, but if you were to google the last name on the list - Xabier Trimmer - and look at the fourth result, it would appear that the Highways England PDF with the unredacted full home addresses is still accessible and indexed by Google.

Oops.

You're right too Some nice addresses there !

Crikey, surely that info shouldn't actually be available to the general public should it?

[Tankrizzo]

CAPP0 said:

Either they've removed it or my Google isn't working like yours. Shame, as I would love to see where they all live - just out of idle curiosity, of course.

Deffo still there but I can't post a link as it could cause PH all kinds of problems. The Google search result title is "SCHEDULE 1 - NAMED DEFENDANTS - Highways England"

[mac96]

CAPP0 said:

Tankrizzo said:

otolith said:

They've redacted their addresses, that's not fair. The general public should be able to go and inconvenience them.

I don't know if Highways England know this, but if you were to google the last name on the list and look at the fourth result, it would appear that the Highways England PDF with the unredacted full home addresses is still accessible and indexed by Google.

Oops.

Edited by Tankrizzo on Thursday 14th October 15:58

Either they've removed it or my Google isn't working like yours. Shame, as I would love to see where they all live - just out of idle curiosity, of course.

Last one on the list lives in a basement so I suppose he has a particular reason to worry about flooding...