Therese Coffey on removal of universal credit uplift

Therese Coffey on removal of universal credit uplift

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bitchstewie

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51,459 posts

211 months

Monday 13th September 2021
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What planet is she on where those who are the most in need of this support can simply ask to work a few more hours every week and be told "yes that's fine" every week?

Universal Credit: Cut is two hours extra work for claimants, says Therese Coffey

Every time she appears on the media it's an utter car crash.

Northernboy

12,642 posts

258 months

Monday 13th September 2021
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Have you not noticed we’ve a skills shortage?

Unless the person is disabled or otherwise compromised I suspect most will manage just fine to find a bit of extra work.

They could even work their way into one that means they don’t need to be on benefits

valiant

10,300 posts

161 months

Monday 13th September 2021
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Obviously doesn’t understand the tapering effect of UC either.


Not bad for the Works and Pensions Secretary rolleyes

Pixelpeep 135

8,600 posts

143 months

Monday 13th September 2021
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The media seems to be getting all excited about this like people are having money taken away from them. Too many are seeing this as an opportunity to get their name out there by saying some really cringe worthy crap about it all.

Fact of the matter is - the money was extra to what they were getting, So they'll be back to getting the same as what they were used to.

Benefits for people who are able to work should be a stop-gap, not a way of life, imo.


crankedup5

9,692 posts

36 months

Monday 13th September 2021
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Families must choose food or fuel! or find a better paying job, work longer hours. WFH is a big thing now, but I suppose it’s easier to be paid from the benefits bucket for some.

LargeRed

1,654 posts

49 months

Monday 13th September 2021
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"Labour called the minister's remarks "an insult to hard working families"."

If they were hard working they wouldn't be on 'The Universally Accredited system.'

ZedLeg

12,278 posts

109 months

Monday 13th September 2021
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LargeRed said:
"Labour called the minister's remarks "an insult to hard working families"."

If they were hard working they wouldn't be on 'The Universally Accredited system.'
40% of universal credit claimants are working, companies use it to supplement wages.

My partner has been signed off and claiming UC since last Jan. It's going to be noticeable when she loses that money but we'll manage. Something a lot of people can't say.

Let's not forget that the people in work who are affected by this will be most affected by the NI rise. It's almost like the tories hate the working poor.

Edited by ZedLeg on Monday 13th September 16:18

Pixelpeep 135

8,600 posts

143 months

Monday 13th September 2021
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ZedLeg said:
40% of universal credit claimants are working, companies use it to supplement wages.

My partner has been signed off and claiming UC since last Jan. It's going to be noticeable when she loses that money but we'll manage. Something a lot of people can't say.

Let's not forget that the people in work who are affected by this will be most affected by the NI rise. It's almost like the tories hate the working poor.

Edited by ZedLeg on Monday 13th September 16:18
it was extra, paid during covid - now it's being removed. it was never a thing, why can't people just be thankful they got it for as long as they did?

Give an inch for a year and they expect a mile, forever.

hyphen

26,262 posts

91 months

Monday 13th September 2021
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ZedLeg said:
40% of universal credit claimants are working, companies use it to supplement wages.
UC if the claimant has kids can be very generous. If don't have kids then they don't give a lot.

ZedLeg

12,278 posts

109 months

Monday 13th September 2021
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Well it depends on whether you think that UC is sufficient for the purpose it's supposed to have in the first place.

What's changed over the last year where people needed the extra six months ago and not now?

LargeRed

1,654 posts

49 months

Monday 13th September 2021
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the Boat Immigrants must be fummin'. they thought that was part of the deal.

Edited by LargeRed on Monday 13th September 16:31

ZedLeg

12,278 posts

109 months

Monday 13th September 2021
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hyphen said:
ZedLeg said:
40% of universal credit claimants are working, companies use it to supplement wages.
UC if the claimant has kids can be very generous. If don't have kids then they don't give a lot.
I'm not sure how the kids stuff work as we don't have any but it's open to anyone earning up to £50k no?

My partner doesn't get a lot due to getting means tested against my salary, doesn't even cover their half of the rent and bills laugh

JagLover

42,464 posts

236 months

Monday 13th September 2021
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Pixelpeep 135 said:
The media seems to be getting all excited about this like people are having money taken away from them. Too many are seeing this as an opportunity to get their name out there by saying some really cringe worthy crap about it all.

Fact of the matter is - the money was extra to what they were getting, So they'll be back to getting the same as what they were used to.

Benefits for people who are able to work should be a stop-gap, not a way of life, imo.
It was an extra while the economy was struggling during lockdown. With the justified reason that you would struggle to pick up extra work with so many companies on reduced activity.

Now there are many sectors crying out for workers and wages are rising rapidly. So go out there and earn the cash seems fully appropriate.

Bonus points if any of the whingers about her comments were also moaning about the NI rise a few days back. Where do they think the money comes from?

98elise

26,672 posts

162 months

Monday 13th September 2021
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ZedLeg said:
LargeRed said:
"Labour called the minister's remarks "an insult to hard working families"."

If they were hard working they wouldn't be on 'The Universally Accredited system.'
40% of universal credit claimants are working, companies use it to supplement wages.

My partner has been signed off and claiming UC since last Jan. It's going to be noticeable when she loses that money but we'll manage. Something a lot of people can't say.

Let's not forget that the people in work who are affected by this will be most affected by the NI rise. It's almost like the tories hate the working poor.

Edited by ZedLeg on Monday 13th September 16:18
How do companies use it to suppliment wages? It's based on your circumstances, and your claim. It's nothing to do with the company you work for. There has always been low paid work, and there always will be.

My son was on UC and then started working at Aldi full time, so now gets zero benefits.



Biggy Stardust

6,936 posts

45 months

Monday 13th September 2021
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Similar applies to those who'd like more benefits.

ZedLeg

12,278 posts

109 months

Monday 13th September 2021
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Companies that run zero hour contracts cut people's hours and tell them to go on UC to make up the loss.

You probably won't see that as supplementing wages but this combination of zero hour contracts and reliance on benefits keeps people stuck in precarious employment that benefits the company more than it does the worker.

JagLover

42,464 posts

236 months

Monday 13th September 2021
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ZedLeg said:
Companies that run zero hour contracts cut people's hours and tell them to go on UC to make up the loss.

You probably won't see that as supplementing wages but this combination of zero hour contracts and reliance on benefits keeps people stuck in precarious employment that benefits the company more than it does the worker.
That may well be the case but less than 3% of workers are on zero hours contracts and many of those who are on zero hours contracts are students and the like for whom it is appropriate.

ZedLeg

12,278 posts

109 months

Monday 13th September 2021
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Biggy Stardust said:


Similar applies to those who'd like more benefits.
Amazing that this take still comes up.

There has to be people to do the bottom rung jobs, shouldn't they earn a decent wage.

Same goes for benefits, UBI trials have shown that giving poor people enough money to cover their bills etc makes them more likely to go out and do something productive as they're not sick with stress.

Biggy Stardust

6,936 posts

45 months

Monday 13th September 2021
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ZedLeg said:
Amazing that this take still comes up.

There has to be people to do the bottom rung jobs, shouldn't they earn a decent wage.

Same goes for benefits, UBI trials have shown that giving poor people enough money to cover their bills etc makes them more likely to go out and do something productive as they're not sick with stress.
Basic job, basic wage. Better job for better wage. It's a simple concept.

Benefits should be a safety net but too many think it should be a hammock.

ZedLeg

12,278 posts

109 months

Monday 13th September 2021
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Basic wage shouldn't equal poverty wage.