Therese Coffey on removal of universal credit uplift

[Biggy Stardust]

ZedLeg said:

I don’t, I have an issue with people who use lazy stereotypes to denigrate those they see as beneath them.

Stereotypes exist for a reason.

I have dealt with the stereotypes on a few occasions- totally unwilling to do anything for themselves & everything was someone else's responsibility or fault.

[hotchy]

poo at Paul's said:

This is just the removal of the extra grand per year such people were given for covid r, yes?
Why exactly did they need an extra grand a year….in their hands. And if they needed it, why didn’t everyone get it.
Many UC recipients don’t work, they don’t go to work, they stay at home. Why were such people paid more to stay at home,W hen that’s all they have to do anyway?
This talk of it being a ‘cut’ is horse st.

Personally don't think they should cut it. Fact is we have been busier since the introduction, so much so we employ 2 more staff members. When it's cut, I fully expect to become quieter, so those 2 will be cut aswel. I suspect the same for many supermarkets etc. Coupled along with a dramatic rise in electric prices, its alot more than a £20 cut and will have a knock-on effect at many places.

[ZedLeg]

Biggy Stardust said:

ZedLeg said:

I don’t, I have an issue with people who use lazy stereotypes to denigrate those they see as beneath them.

Stereotypes exist for a reason.

I have dealt with the stereotypes on a few occasions- totally unwilling to do anything for themselves & everything was someone else's responsibility or fault.

You realise that applying negative stereotypes to whole groups of people based on a bad experience you’ve had is the basis of prejudice though, right?

[bennno]

anonymous said:

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Do sky offer a special UC package discount?

[Northernboy]

ZedLeg said:

I was obviously using the dismissive language of the people that seem to think that everyone on benefits or minimum wage jobs are moochers and layabouts.

You seem to have a bit of a problem with me, care to explain why?

Don’t be paranoid. You post some real, rubbish on here and I, like others, pick you up on it.

Your latest is on here, blaming the government for not supporting your partner with enough benefits rather than understanding that it is your responsibility, not theirs, to support her.

I find this attitude incomprehensible.

[Northernboy]

Escy said:

The system needs tweaking.

It’s a difficult situation to solve. If you make the taper too gradual then you get people earning £50,000 per her receiving benefits, or people in genuine need receiving less than they do now, but if you make it sudden then we get the situation you mention, the removal of much of a financial incentive to work.

[Murph7355]

The UC uplift should never have been given out in the first place. It was always a temporary measure but no surprise some quarters are "outraged" that it's now being cut back. Entitlement...

How much NI do the "hard working" on UC typically pay? How much is their NI bill likely to go up?

[ZedLeg]

Northernboy said:

ZedLeg said:

I was obviously using the dismissive language of the people that seem to think that everyone on benefits or minimum wage jobs are moochers and layabouts.

You seem to have a bit of a problem with me, care to explain why?

Don’t be paranoid. You post some real, rubbish on here and I, like others, pick you up on it.

Your latest is on here, blaming the government for not supporting your partner with enough benefits rather than understanding that it is your responsibility, not theirs, to support her.

I find this attitude incomprehensible.

Yes, that's exactly what I said.

I pretty specifically said that we'll manage but that a lot of others wouldn't. Try actually reading my comments before you reply.

[JagLover]

Northernboy said:

Escy said:

The system needs tweaking.

It’s a difficult situation to solve. If you make the taper too gradual then you get people earning £50,000 per her receiving benefits, or people in genuine need receiving less than they do now, but if you make it sudden then we get the situation you mention, the removal of much of a financial incentive to work.

Which is why the focus of any new money (if available) should be to reduce the taper rate not permanently expand what was always supposed to be a temporary increase in the benefit.

A withdrawal rate of 63% is to high. It is better than it was under the old system mind when withdrawal of benefits could often exceed the increase in earned income at some levels of income, but it is still too high.

[untakenname]

I worked for Sky years ago briefly in my early twenties and I'd say the majority of installs in the area I covered (Lewisham) were to publicly paid for council houses/rentals.

There's a world of difference with someone who is single and trying to make ends meet on £60 a week and a professional consumer with two 'neuro diverse' kids who will easily be getting the equivalent of £500+ per week worth of benefits (when you factor in the tax someone who is working would have to pay for the same lifestyle).

There's now a record 1 million vacancies available and lots of the vacancies are the living wage and upwards so if people make the lifestyle choice to only work 15 hours a week in a minimum wage job then they shouldn't expect to have a high standard of living.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/p...

[98elise]

valiant said:

Surely the question is why the taxpayer is subsidising employers in having enough to live on?

Maybe it’s time to revisit the minimum wage?

If you're single and on minimum wage and working full time you do not get Universal Credit

If you do it's because of other factors which are nothing to do with the employing company. Does your company pay people more if they're married, or have a non working partner?

There are loads of vacancies for basic roles at the moment. My son is scheduled for a 60 hour week this week as they have 10 vacancies. Some pubs in my area are shut because they can't get staff.

Edited by 98elise on Tuesday 14th September 09:48

[LargeRed]

bennno said:

Do sky offer a special UC package discount?

what do you call that box which the sky dish is bolted to ??

[LargeRed]

..... a council house

[98elise]

sim72 said:

I'm just trying to imagine the response if Coffey's comments had been made by Diane Abbott.

It hard to imagine Diane saying anything coherent these days...

Diane Abbott said:

Well, the idea that we should have...err..f...f...err...policy on fo...fo...folery (?)...fo...fo...on issues relating to....err...eh...eh.. ..ordinary issues in real... reality giving people...erm...free access to free quantity, free access to free... actual re...re...recovery. I think...I mean when..the..the..main thing is when Kier became Leader He seem to promise that he would....

[Northernboy]

ZedLeg said:

Yes, that's exactly what I said.

I pretty specifically said that we'll manage but that a lot of others wouldn't. Try actually reading my comments before you reply.

No, you suggested that you aren’t capable of funding her to the point that she doesn’t need benefits, which I just don’t understand. Having your partner need money from the state if you aren’t disabled or unwell just isn’t something that I understand.

You are complaining about the uplift to her UC being removed, as though it’s the state’s job to support her, not yours.

That’s where we differ. I understand that you don’t want to explain what you’ve done in life to mean that you can’t support your other half, but you then seem to have a real problem with people who’ve made different decisions and aren’t in your situation.

In essence you want me, and others like me, to pay for your family’s living costs as you won’t.

[neutral 3]

MonkeyMatt said:

These threads always bring out the utter dheads who have no idea how hard it can be for some people who are trying their hardest, there will always be people who take the piss out of benefits, but that is the minority! not everyone can be a company director, there are some very important jobs where the pay simply doesn't cover living costs and jobs with varying hours. Just getting an extra job or asking for extra hours can be impossible. People with low paid and low skilled jobs often get treated like crap by people in this county and and are seen as being some kind of underclass, its just not on

Well said !

[ZedLeg]

Northernboy said:

ZedLeg said:

Yes, that's exactly what I said.

I pretty specifically said that we'll manage but that a lot of others wouldn't. Try actually reading my comments before you reply.

No, you suggested that you aren’t capable of funding her to the point that she doesn’t need benefits, which I just don’t understand. Having your partner need money from the state if you aren’t disabled or unwell just isn’t something that I understand.

You are complaining about the uplift to her UC being removed, as though it’s the state’s job to support her, not yours.

That’s where we differ. I understand that you don’t want to explain what you’ve done in life to mean that you can’t support your other half, but you then seem to have a real problem with people who’ve made different decisions and aren’t in your situation.

In essence you want me, and others like me, to pay for your family’s living costs as you won’t.

What a load of nonsense.

First of all, my partner is unwell. As I mentioned earlier in the thread. Again reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit.

I'm not going to go through and defend myself point by point to some stranger on the internet but we've both worked hard throughout our live and I don't see an issue with my partner taking advantage of help available. We would be struggling if I had to support them alone and they would hate to be living in my pocket.

The bulk of your responses in this thread have been antagonistic responses to my comments so I can only assume that you have some bigger problem with me than disagreeing with what I'm saying. Call it paranoia if you like but it's there for anyone to see.

[LargeRed]

MonkeyMatt said:

These threads always bring out the utter dheads who have no idea how hard it can be for some people who are trying their hardest, there will always be people who take the piss out of benefits, but that is the minority! not everyone can be a company director, there are some very important jobs where the pay simply doesn't cover living costs and jobs with varying hours. Just getting an extra job or asking for extra hours can be impossible. People with low paid and low skilled jobs often get treated like crap by people in this county and and are seen as being some kind of underclass, its just not on

Always has been ........ always will be......

[Northernboy]

untakenname said:

I worked for Sky years ago briefly in my early twenties and I'd say the majority of installs in the area I covered (Lewisham) were to publicly paid for council houses/rentals.

When I was growing up it was always the case that there were two groups of people who got the “nice to have” things first, the rare person with professional parents and the more frequent ones who were from the council estates.

Most of us were in the middle; we eventually got a nice VHS player, for example, but years after others did, and it was the same with the name-brand clothes, trainers etc.

It’s one of the things that made me more right-leaning politically, seeing how kids with parents out of work had nicer things than a lot of us whose parents worked two jobs to get by without state help. My mother cleaned offices at night once my dad got home, and he did odd jobs at the weekend to get a bit of extra money so that we could have more than the basics.

[Northernboy]

ZedLeg said:

What a load of nonsense.

First of all, my partner is unwell. As I mentioned earlier in the thread. Again reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit..

I never said your partner should work. I said that I don’t understand why you think that it’s the state’s job to support her rather than yours.

You feel that it’s more the responsibility of others rather than of you. And let’s not have you criticising the ability of others when you are pretending that you don’t have the ability to support your family despite supposedly being of sound body and mind.

It’s this refusal to take any responsibility that I just find strange.

I almost wonder at this point if you are a parody account, you are happy to insult others yet get self-righteous when someone politely asks why you are so unwilling to take on extra work to help out your own partner.