Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 3)

[don'tbesilly]

Mortarboard said:

Grrrrr realists, amirite?

So it's basically all a bit st, but Brexits got nothing to do with it then?

Or a media conspiracy?

Something something, five years etc.

M.

It looks like Reuters is in on the media conspiracy ( as per the pst by VS).

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/power-price-s...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germany-br...

CNBC has joined in on the media conspiracy

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/09/natural-gas-prices...

Edited by don'tbesilly on Thursday 23 September 18:39

[sunbeam alpine]

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/britain-fa...

Daily Mash on the ball.

In fairness, a lot of what is currently happening isn't as a direct result of Brexit. What Brexit has done (IMO) is severely reduced the UK's flexibility in responding to/resolving many of the current challenges. It's also highlighting the (lack of) competence of the UK government.

[dsmith21]

I thought everything was going to be oh so much better than before....the sunny uplands are beckoning blah blah... more like knee deep in fields of st! We're now a truly insignificant player in the world, seen as a joke to all, especially when they see the fking halfwit we have as a PM with his 12 year old schoolboys haircut begging Biden for scraps, what a massive embarrassment we are now. The only country in the world to shoot itself in the bks for a blue passport. What a farce.

[don'tbesilly]

sunbeam alpine said:

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/britain-fa...

Daily Mash on the ball.

In fairness, a lot of what is currently happening isn't as a direct result of Brexit. What Brexit has done (IMO) is severely reduced the UK's flexibility in responding to/resolving many of the current challenges. It's also highlighting the (lack of) competence of the UK government.

Lorry driver shortage in the UK also evidenced in Europe + USA

Energy prices (in particular Gas) going up as per increases in the UK across Europe + US

Carbon dioxide problems in the UK are about to hit Europe -
https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/uk-ca...

What other current challenges do you want to add?

[Earthdweller]

don'tbesilly said:

Mortarboard said:

Grrrrr realists, amirite?

So it's basically all a bit st, but Brexits got nothing to do with it then?

Or a media conspiracy?

Something something, five years etc.

M.

It looks like Reuters is in on the media conspiracy ( as per the pst by VS).

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/power-price-s...

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/germany-br...

CNBC has joined in on the media conspiracy

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/09/natural-gas-prices...

Edited by don'tbesilly on Thursday 23 September 18:39

Even Mortarboards beloved Ireland is in on it


https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/ireland-has-t...

“The wholesale price of natural gas has nearly tripled already this year – and that’s before peak winter demand sets in,”

“As a consequence, consumers are experiencing enormous hikes in their energy bills.

https://www.thejournal.ie/electricity-supply-inter...


https://www.irishtimes.com/business/energy-and-res...


The wholesale price of natural gas has surged 250 per cent since the start of the year. Last month saw an increase of about 35 per cent. This is feeding through to price rises for business and domestic customers.

The old saw: supply and demand. After a hard winter in 2020, European supplies are lower than they should be – about 16 per cent below the average over the past five years, according to the Financial Times. With winter looming again, concern in the market has pushed prices up.

Is this just a European problem?

No, stocks in the United States are also lower than usual – about 7 per cent below the five-year average – but Europe seems to be affected more than anyone else.

But why did they not simply build up supplies over the year?
There’s a whole range of reasons for that. A number of key gas fields and liquefied natural gas plants have been out of action for maintenance, affecting supply. That has seen supplies from Russia, on which Europe relies heavily, and the North Sea slow.

Demand has also surged as economies emerge from the Covid-19 pandemic. That has been a particular feature in Asia, where industry came back online earlier and which is in the process of transitioning from coal-fired to gas-fired power.

Shortages of other power sources have also seen countries, including Ireland, rely more heavily on gas for power generation. And drought in Brazil and Argentina has seen demand for gas there rise as their hydropower plants falter.

Edited by Earthdweller on Thursday 23 September 19:09

[Mortarboard]

don'tbesilly said:

Lorry driver shortage in the UK also evidenced in Europe + USA

To the same extent and impact as the UK?

don'tbesilly said:

Energy prices (in particular Gas) going up as per increases in the UK across Europe + US

To the same extent and impact as the UK?

don'tbesilly said:

Carbon dioxide problems in the UK are about to hit Europe -
https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/uk-ca...

To the same extent and impact as the UK?

don'tbesilly said:

What other current challenges do you want to add?

Sure. How about you explain how come the UK is to all intents and purposes in the same doo-doo as warned about in the yellowhammer report, despite it not being Brexit?
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explaine...

M.

[Mortarboard]

Earthdweller said:

Even Mortarboards beloved Ireland is in on it


https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/ireland-has-t...

“The wholesale price of natural gas has nearly tripled already this year – and that’s before peak winter demand sets in,”

“As a consequence, consumers are experiencing enormous hikes in their energy bills.

https://www.thejournal.ie/electricity-supply-inter...


https://www.irishtimes.com/business/energy-and-res...

If only there was some planned access to resource-independent energy, eh?
https://www.celticinterconnector.eu/ga/

Ed, you've probably seen a windfarm to two in Ireland. Tend to work well in winter, relatively speaking. Although, Ireland has had to stop exporting electricity to the UK.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/09/09/ir...

M.

[rustednut]

don'tbesilly said:

sunbeam alpine said:

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/britain-fa...

Daily Mash on the ball.

In fairness, a lot of what is currently happening isn't as a direct result of Brexit. What Brexit has done (IMO) is severely reduced the UK's flexibility in responding to/resolving many of the current challenges. It's also highlighting the (lack of) competence of the UK government.

Lorry driver shortage in the UK also evidenced in Europe + USA

Energy prices (in particular Gas) going up as per increases in the UK across Europe + US

Carbon dioxide problems in the UK are about to hit Europe -
https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/uk-ca...

What other current challenges do you want to add?

I don't think you are looking at the full picture, just some headlines, but let's turn it on its head.

How has Brexit helped ? Has it ?

[Mortarboard]

jsf said:

Does Covid not exist in your world?

Covid is everywhere. They all in the same depth of ste?

Or, shock horror, Brexit has made it worse?

Nice "SQUIRREL!" though. Better than your usual effort of just a smiley. Keep it up!

M.

[don'tbesilly]

jsf said:

Mortarboard said:

Sure. How about you explain how come the UK is to all intents and purposes in the same doo-doo as warned about in the yellowhammer report, despite it not being Brexit?
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explaine...

M.

Does Covid not exist in your world?

It wasn't in anyone's world in Oct 2019.

[Earthdweller]

Mortarboard said:

don'tbesilly said:

Lorry driver shortage in the UK also evidenced in Europe + USA

To the same extent and impact as the UK?

don'tbesilly said:

Energy prices (in particular Gas) going up as per increases in the UK across Europe + US

To the same extent and impact as the UK?

don'tbesilly said:

Carbon dioxide problems in the UK are about to hit Europe -
https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/uk-ca...

To the same extent and impact as the UK?

don'tbesilly said:

What other current challenges do you want to add?

Sure. How about you explain how come the UK is to all intents and purposes in the same doo-doo as warned about in the yellowhammer report, despite it not being Brexit?
https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explaine...

M.

https://fleet.ie/driver-shortage-challenges-irelands-supply-chain/

There is no easy solution to the ‘driver skills shortage’ and it currently poses a clear and present danger to the efficacy of the Irish supply chain.

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22001108/

“Dire need” for more truck drivers


As above fuel price rises are causing massive concerns in Ireland wholesale prices in Ireland up 250% this year

The Gov are planning “carbon tax” tax rises across fossil fuels in next months budget on top of the market price rises

CO2 shortages are effecting everyone

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/agribusiness-a...

Edited by Earthdweller on Thursday 23 September 19:23

[stongle]

Mortarboard said:

Grrrrr realists, amirite?

So it's basically all a bit st, but Brexits got nothing to do with it then?

Or a media conspiracy?

Something something, five years etc.

M.

You do realise, it's you who promotes the conspiracy? Most people are unaffected.... mortarboard, very vocal and upset. Can't grasp an actual slam dunk negative that proves he's correct..

The object lesson, is you. I notice you swerve all the points and make up "5 years" which only you said. Sad and juvenile debating. Thanks for proving the level you are at.

It's clear that when on the ropes, you don't have the debating gamebag.

You are as wrong as Farage. The same even. The only correct result was somewhere in the middle. Even if you take some immediate friction (now) longer term the liabilities are in the bin. Which frees you up to start sorting the UKs real problems.

[Mortarboard]

And in both cases, it's hitting harder and faster in the UK.

Odd that.

M.

[sunbeam alpine]

don'tbesilly said:

sunbeam alpine said:

https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/britain-fa...

Daily Mash on the ball.

In fairness, a lot of what is currently happening isn't as a direct result of Brexit. What Brexit has done (IMO) is severely reduced the UK's flexibility in responding to/resolving many of the current challenges. It's also highlighting the (lack of) competence of the UK government.

Lorry driver shortage in the UK also evidenced in Europe + USA

Energy prices (in particular Gas) going up as per increases in the UK across Europe + US

Carbon dioxide problems in the UK are about to hit Europe -
https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/uk-ca...

What other current challenges do you want to add?

Did you actually read the second part of my post?

There's indeed talk of lorry driver shortages over here but I'm not experiencing any problem getting transport and prices are the same as last year.

I understand that gas prices will rise. We're also experiencing the same price rises in things like building materials.

On the news last night they were reporting that Belgium has 2-3 months supply of CO². I have hedged by buying a couple of extra bottles for the Sodastream...

I'm not in the UK so I am reliant on a combination of newspaper web sites, a couple of fora, and the BBC news, but they all seem to be reporting along the same lines. Over here we're not being warned about food shortages, and in my industry (agriculture) I'm not aware of any problems getting product on or off farm, unlike the UK.

[Earthdweller]

Mortarboard said:

If only there was some planned access to resource-independent energy, eh?
https://www.celticinterconnector.eu/ga/

Ed, you've probably seen a windfarm to two in Ireland. Tend to work well in winter, relatively speaking. Although, Ireland has had to stop exporting electricity to the UK.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/09/09/ir...

M.

The Celtic interconnector !!

It doesn’t exist … they’ve been talking about it for decades … they don’t have planning for it or any plan and even if they started building it today it would be at least 5/6 years before it’s completed

Yet, it’s the EU so theyll probably talk about it for a few more years


Sadly for wind turbines, it hasn’t been very windy in Ireland this year and when it does get really windy they have to turn them off !

They have acknowledged it’s unreliable and at a max only produces about 25% of demand

to stop the lights going out this winter they’ve just brought two mothballed gas fired power stations back on line to ensure supplies this winter

Now, what were they saying about gas prices again?

[Mortarboard]

Earthdweller said:

The Celtic interconnector !!

It doesn’t exist … they’ve been talking about it for decades … they don’t have planning for it or any plan and even if they started building it today it would be at least 5/6 years before it’s completed

Yet, it’s the EU so theyll probably talk about it for a few more years

https://www.pleanala.ie/en-ie/case/310798

Do catch up Ed. Don't worry, even cavan folk will benefit

Go live currently set for 2026 (so you're not far out on 5/6 years)

Better to have more options in 5/6 years, than a rofl & covid excuse now, eh?

M.

[don'tbesilly]

Mortarboard said:

Earthdweller said:

The Celtic interconnector !!

It doesn’t exist … they’ve been talking about it for decades … they don’t have planning for it or any plan and even if they started building it today it would be at least 5/6 years before it’s completed

Yet, it’s the EU so theyll probably talk about it for a few more years

https://www.pleanala.ie/en-ie/case/310798

Do catch up Ed. Don't worry, even cavan folk will benefit

Go live currently set for 2026 (so you're not far out on 5/6 years)

Better to have more options in 5/6 years, than a rofl & covid excuse now, eh?

M.

Planning is still not given (as pointed out above) and that's still 4 months away.

Finished in 4 years?

Never going to happen.

[Tuna]

Mortarboard said:

And in both cases, it's hitting harder and faster in the UK.

Odd that.

M.

Do you live here? Or... are you getting your news of the state of the UK from your preferred sources?

It's quite incredible how thick skinned you have to be to go from "it's all brexit's fault" to "but brexit has made it worse" in just a handful of posts without the embarrassment of your u-turn kicking in. Never mind, one step at a time...

[Earthdweller]

don'tbesilly said:

Mortarboard said:

Earthdweller said:

The Celtic interconnector !!

It doesn’t exist … they’ve been talking about it for decades … they don’t have planning for it or any plan and even if they started building it today it would be at least 5/6 years before it’s completed

Yet, it’s the EU so theyll probably talk about it for a few more years

https://www.pleanala.ie/en-ie/case/310798

Do catch up Ed. Don't worry, even cavan folk will benefit

Go live currently set for 2026 (so you're not far out on 5/6 years)

Better to have more options in 5/6 years, than a rofl & covid excuse now, eh?

M.

Planning is still not given (as pointed out above) and that's still 4 months away.

Finished in 4 years?

Never going to happen.

And even if planning is granted there will be plenty of appeals as there’s a huge amount of opposition to it and the appeals process could take years and it’s on the site of War graves

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40...

They’ve just stopped a major project in Cork Harbour
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30964492.h...

The choice of Kilquane, which is 2km north of the village of Knockraha is likely to prove very controversial as locals believe it encompasses an area where many captured British soldiers were executed by the IRA during the War of Independence and they do not want their graves disturbed.

The site, in an area of forest, known locally as ‘The Rae’, and the nearby Kilquane Graveyard were used during the War of Independence as a prison and burial ground for captured British soldiers.

[Mortarboard]

Tuna said:

Mortarboard said:

And in both cases, it's hitting harder and faster in the UK.

Odd that.

M.

Do you live here? Or... are you getting your news of the state of the UK from your preferred sources?

It's quite incredible how thick skinned you have to be to go from "it's all brexit's fault" to "but brexit has made it worse" in just a handful of posts without the embarrassment of your u-turn kicking in. Never mind, one step at a time...

Oh, I can do steps, me

Step one: UK has supply issues today
Step two: EU may have supply issues in the future

Do you still want to gloss over the fact that the GB part of the UK is having issues now, while the NI part of the UK isn't having issues yet?

Of course, lets not focus on the fact that the UK has CO2 issues despite having plants that produce it as a byproduct. Oh, wait, they're shut, and have to be bailed out. Fertilizer? Now what sector might use that, mmmmmm?

No Brexit impacts on that sector, that may have led to a production downturn, that may have led to the lack of a need for fertilizer?

Keep 'em coming, Tuna. I'm here all day. Try the veal!

In the meantime, any views on how yellowhammer came to pass then? Seems to be a lot of those boxes ticked, despite Brexit (as the fanboys would have us believe)

M.