Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 3)
Discussion
Kermit power said:
crankedup5 said:
Mortarboard said:
crankedup5 said:
From your post I would assume that you have written to your political rep’ and passed that message on? Did you get a reply? What was the reply?
I have, and mentioned the responses already. Their (and my) focus is more on preventing the UK riding roughshod over the people of NI. If you're happy to have voted during the referendum, and then let HMG just f
k around willy nilly, then that's on you.Half of the agreement isn't even in place yet,and the other half BJ is trying to weasel out of. One of the original negotiators, Frost, is throwing shade from the sidelines for his own reasons, and the current "Brexit benefits" guy is doing the equivalent of a survey monkey on various aspects after the fact.
"Was brexit worth it?"
Maybe we'll find out if we ever get Brexit. Perhaps the thread title should be changed to "was leaving the EU worth it?" - because that's all that's really happened so far.
M.
Never mind, as most=in here know I tend to avoid comment regarding N.I politics and I have extremely strong personal reasons for doing so. That continues.
k Brexit actually is"?
Kermit power said:
It's easy to look back at all the claims made about oven-ready deals, countries queueing up to sign agreements with us, lots of benefits that were going to happen straight after.
But Johnsons oven ready deal was not even a twinkle in anyones eye at the time of the referendum, was it. And we have signed quite a few trade deals, despite some remainers claiming we wouldn't be able to because nobody would want to deal with little UK vs big EU... I think you need to rethink your timeliness. Citing Johnsons slogan at the last election as a reason the cou try voted for Brexit in 2016 is a bit skew whiffandymadmak said:
But Johnsons oven ready deal was not even a twinkle in anyones eye at the time of the referendum, was it. And we have signed quite a few trade deals, despite some remainers claiming we wouldn't be able to because nobody would want to deal with little UK vs big EU... I think you need to rethink your timeliness. Citing Johnsons slogan at the last election as a reason the cou try voted for Brexit in 2016 is a bit skew whiff
Not a single trade deal of any consequence.Except for the TCA with the EU, and HMG is trying to choke that one...
M.
andymadmak said:
Kermit power said:
It's easy to look back at all the claims made about oven-ready deals, countries queueing up to sign agreements with us, lots of benefits that were going to happen straight after.
But Johnsons oven ready deal was not even a twinkle in anyones eye at the time of the referendum, was it. And we have signed quite a few trade deals, despite some remainers claiming we wouldn't be able to because nobody would want to deal with little UK vs big EU... I think you need to rethink your timeliness. Citing Johnsons slogan at the last election as a reason the cou try voted for Brexit in 2016 is a bit skew whiffIf you believed Boris in 2016, and then in 2019 he said he had an “oven ready deal” you’d be forgiven for imagining the deal might be the things he promised in 2016 in return for your vote.
skwdenyer said:
Boris led the Leave campaign and made endless statements and promises. It’s entirely reasonable to say that what he said bore directly on why people voted Leave.
If you believed Boris in 2016, and then in 2019 he said he had an “oven ready deal” you’d be forgiven for imagining the deal might be the things he promised in 2016 in return for your vote.
Nope, you're reaching now. Kermit made a big claim , strange that you're all struggling to back it up. Oven ready was not a phrase in 2016, no matter how much you want to imagine it so.If you believed Boris in 2016, and then in 2019 he said he had an “oven ready deal” you’d be forgiven for imagining the deal might be the things he promised in 2016 in return for your vote.
andymadmak said:
Mortarboard said:
Not a single trade deal of any consequence.
Except for the TCA with the EU, and HMG is trying to choke that one...
M.
And yet we were told that we wouldn't get anything...Except for the TCA with the EU, and HMG is trying to choke that one...
M.
And if the concerns expressed about the Aus deal come to pass, it'll actually be worse than nothing.
M.
andymadmak said:
Mortarboard said:
Not a single trade deal of any consequence.
Except for the TCA with the EU, and HMG is trying to choke that one...
M.
And yet we were told that we wouldn't get anything...Except for the TCA with the EU, and HMG is trying to choke that one...
M.
blueg33 said:
andymadmak said:
Mortarboard said:
Not a single trade deal of any consequence.
Except for the TCA with the EU, and HMG is trying to choke that one...
M.
And yet we were told that we wouldn't get anything...Except for the TCA with the EU, and HMG is trying to choke that one...
M.
blueg33 said:
andymadmak said:
Mortarboard said:
Not a single trade deal of any consequence.
Except for the TCA with the EU, and HMG is trying to choke that one...
M.
And yet we were told that we wouldn't get anything...Except for the TCA with the EU, and HMG is trying to choke that one...
M.
That's not the point though - what it is, is trade myopia (again).
Staying within the trade myopia perspective, the number of trade deals is one aspect, nature is another. We won't have to modify and settle trade deals on the basis of 20+ different priorities and non-aligned requirements.
Trade sorts itself out, traders will trade. There was and is far more to brexit than that.
blueg33 said:
andymadmak said:
Mortarboard said:
Not a single trade deal of any consequence.
Except for the TCA with the EU, and HMG is trying to choke that one...
M.
And yet we were told that we wouldn't get anything...Except for the TCA with the EU, and HMG is trying to choke that one...
M.
Ivan stewart said:
There is a crisis.2021 was cooler than 2020. The antarctic ice sheet has been growing and the arctic ocean isn't ice free as predicted n times. Polar bear research shows they're not dying out. Data reveals no increase in UK extreme weather. But worst of all, Greta hasn't been in the news in a big way for weeks. This must be down to brexit.
Being slightly more removed from EU climate hysteria is however one benefit of brexit. Not that they keep to their principles: March, Bloomberg - Europe Ramps Up Coal Burning. Toasty.
blueg33 said:
Vanden Saab said:
Which places can we trade with less easily now?
Everywhere that has a deal with the EU but not with the UKOther 'rollover' deals were actually improved.
Of course, what's being completely ignored is the new tariff schedule and the benefits that brings irrespective of FTAs. For a net importing nation, that's a huge positive.
Mortarboard said:
Ivan stewart said:
Um we are only a year ish in ..we had 40 years of EUSSR so called membership Rome and all that !!
Mind it’s looking dam good from where I’m sitting so
Apart from the work in progress with fishing and NI ..
Apart from sod all being done to improve tradeMind it’s looking dam good from where I’m sitting so
Apart from the work in progress with fishing and NI ..
Sod all being done to control borders
Sod all being done to improve standards
Sod all being done to revoke "troublesome" rules & regulations
Sod all being done to replace functions that the UK no longer has access to, having left the various constructs
If it takes 40 years to deal with all the above - the UK will be a fairly dismal place by the time it happens.
Not a single plan to be seen. "Rome wasn't built in a day" you say. At least they had builders
The UK electorate is letting HMG off scott free. "labour would be worse". Hardly a resounding cry of support.
M.
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