Brexit - was it worth it? (Vol. 3)

[HM-2]

crankedup5 said:

the best position to compete with ROW.

You keep using phrases like "the best", which raise a couple of questions. The first is, what is "the best position" to complete? It's certainly not something we've managed to manoeuvre ourself into compared to our G7 or G20 peers over the last few years. The second...after the last few years over government - especially the last six months - do you really trust our political leaders to identify this, let alone achieve it?

Our previous chancellor wiped tens of billions off the value of UK PLC in a matter of hours by pursuing a set of policies that even a secondary school economics student would be able to tell were both harmful and fantastical. That doesn't exactly instill confidence in their basic competence.

Edited by HM-2 on Sunday 22 January 15:10

[Killboy]

How does one compete with ROW?

[PurplePangolin]

HM-2 said:

crankedup5 said:

the best position to compete with ROW.

You keep using phrases like "the best", which raise a couple of questions. The first is, what is "the best position" to complete? It's certainly not something we've managed to manoeuvre ourself into compared to our G7 or G20 peers over the last few years. The second...after the last few years over government - especially the last six months - do you really trust our political leaders to identify this, let alone achieve it?

Our previous chancellor wiped tens of billions off the value of UK PLC in a matter of hours by pursuing a set of policies that even a secondary school economics student would be able to tell were both harmful and fantastical. That doesn't exactly instill confidence in their basic competence.

Edited by HM-2 on Sunday 22 January 15:10

Is the EU that much more competent overall?

[crankedup5]

HM-2 said:

crankedup5 said:

the best position to compete with ROW.

You keep using phrases like "the best", which raise a couple of questions. The first is, what is "the best position" to complete? It's certainly not something we've managed to manoeuvre ourself into compared to our G7 or G20 peers over the last few years. The second...after the last few years over government - especially the last six months - do you really trust our political leaders to identify this, let alone achieve it?

Our previous chancellor wiped tens of billions off the value of UK PLC in a matter of hours by pursuing a set of policies that even a secondary school economics student would be able to tell were both harmful and fantastical. That doesn't exactly instill confidence in their basic competence.

Edited by HM-2 on Sunday 22 January 15:10

Looking to improve our desirability to overseas investors. great.gov.u.k.>international>investment
I agree that atm the current performance of U.K. plc is poor, however being that brexit is a long term political and trading strategy being implemented. Governments and the Ministers will come and go obviously. One can only trust that a higher quality of both will assist turnaround U.K. fortune
You know that of course, our Ministers will help convince businesses that U.K. is a great place to invest.
For me we are at the starting point, I do not view the current situation as long steady decline, rather a gradual build upwards.
As for the previous PM & Chancellor, well it’s all been aired and most are in agreement of the dreadful mess they caused.

[HM-2]

PurplePangolin said:

Is the EU that much more competent overall?

The way you phrase your question reads as a tacit acknowledgement that it is more competent.

crankedup5 said:

Looking to improve our desirability to overseas investors. great.gov.u.k.>international>investment

Overseas investment is obviously a good thing and part of the wider picture of economic performance but it's far from the be-all, end-all.

crankedup5 said:

I agree that atm the current performance of U.K. plc is poor, however being that brexit is a long term political and trading strategy being implemented.

What's being implemented to make Britain a more effective economy? Right now we're observing a repeat of the 70s doldrums at best, backed by the rampant inflation of the 80s. Large portions of our workforce are on strike; businesses are having a hard time addressing demands for 10-15% annual wage rises to match inflation, not helped by the fact UK productivity is in the toilet and has been for decades.

I don't know about you but I don't see our government doing much to address these (and more) systemic issues. I'm sure at this point even the staunchest remainer is happy to swallow their pride for the prospect of sunlit Brexit uplands of the future, but the path of how to get from where we are now to that unicorn destination isn't just unclear, it's nonexistent.

crankedup5 said:

One can only trust that a higher quality of both will assist turnaround U.K. fortune

Why and how can one trust this? Generally speaking the calibre of UK politicians is declining, not improving. Half of the new blood in Parliament have decided not to contest the next election, we've got our own weird religious and ideological fringe movements spinning up in earnest, and most of the front bench seem to be charlatans, ignoramuses or tax cheats.

crankedup5 said:

You know that of course, our Ministers will help convince businesses that U.K. is a great place to invest.

Well forgive my terseness but they're doing a rather st job of it when it comes to massive growth industries like the one I work in.

Edited by HM-2 on Sunday 22 January 16:27

[blueg33]

crankedup5 said:

Looking to improve our desirability to overseas investors. great.gov.u.k.>international>investment
I agree that atm the current performance of U.K. plc is poor, however being that brexit is a long term political and trading strategy being implemented. Governments and the Ministers will come and go obviously. One can only trust that a higher quality of both will assist turnaround U.K. fortune
You know that of course, our Ministers will help convince businesses that U.K. is a great place to invest.
For me we are at the starting point, I do not view the current situation as long steady decline, rather a gradual build upwards.
As for the previous PM & Chancellor, well it’s all been aired and most are in agreement of the dreadful mess they caused.

As I said a couple of pages back. We recently secured overseas investment, but only half of the amount bee would have secured if we had less friction with the border to the eu, and easier access to the eu market place.

This means we are not building another factory and not creating another 1250 jobs. But above all it means we are unable to export and bring in cash from other territories

[Scrump]

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