BP & Esso having fuel supply issues
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J4CKO said:
If only there was a type of car where the energy required to power it could be delivered seamlessly via pipe, or maybe even a wire direct to your house ?
Wouldn't that be marvelous and obviate the need for massive lorries towing huge containers of extremely volatile liquid petrochemical products, just plug it in when you aren't using it and come back to it and its ready to go.
We would love to switch to an electric car, the Mrs works for the environment agency. However we can’t justify the outlay for anything to replace the 520d we’ve owned for the last 6 years. Bought approved used for 18k. In reality, if we were looking to replace tomorrow it would be for the same vehicle for another 6-8 years. Maybe then something of a similar size and price but electric would be available with the distance we need to go before refill/recharge. Wouldn't that be marvelous and obviate the need for massive lorries towing huge containers of extremely volatile liquid petrochemical products, just plug it in when you aren't using it and come back to it and its ready to go.
J4CKO said:
If only there was a type of car where the energy required to power it could be delivered seamlessly via pipe, or maybe even a wire direct to your house ?
Wouldn't that be marvelous and obviate the need for massive lorries towing huge containers of extremely volatile liquid petrochemical products, just plug it in when you aren't using it and come back to it and its ready to go.
LoL as a home with two EVs got to say im with you on this .... Other than the price of energy is about to rise.... Goodbye silly low cost communiting hello really low cost communitingWouldn't that be marvelous and obviate the need for massive lorries towing huge containers of extremely volatile liquid petrochemical products, just plug it in when you aren't using it and come back to it and its ready to go.
Jawls said:
PDP76 said:
I’m not seeing any problems at the pumps ( yet ) Kingsbury refinery isn’t too far away so maybe I won’t see too much of a problem with fuel.
Speaking of Kingsbury refinery and wages !
They are looking for a couple of tanker drivers and are paying 50k p/a plus bonus schemes and retention schemes.
Boring nitpicking from me, but Kingsbury doesn’t have a refinery. Rather, it’s a collection of terminals all broadly next to each other. Speaking of Kingsbury refinery and wages !
They are looking for a couple of tanker drivers and are paying 50k p/a plus bonus schemes and retention schemes.
I’ve always called it a refinery - even though it isn’t.
One of those sticks in your head things.
J4CKO said:
If only there was a type of car where the energy required to power it could be delivered seamlessly via pipe, or maybe even a wire direct to your house ?
Wouldn't that be marvelous and obviate the need for massive lorries towing huge containers of extremely volatile liquid petrochemical products, just plug it in when you aren't using it and come back to it and its ready to go.
And then when we do only get Electricity three days a week, you'll be stuffed.Wouldn't that be marvelous and obviate the need for massive lorries towing huge containers of extremely volatile liquid petrochemical products, just plug it in when you aren't using it and come back to it and its ready to go.
CooperS said:
J4CKO said:
If only there was a type of car where the energy required to power it could be delivered seamlessly via pipe, or maybe even a wire direct to your house ?
Wouldn't that be marvelous and obviate the need for massive lorries towing huge containers of extremely volatile liquid petrochemical products, just plug it in when you aren't using it and come back to it and its ready to go.
LoL as a home with two EVs got to say im with you on this .... Other than the price of energy is about to rise.... Goodbye silly low cost communiting hello really low cost communitingWouldn't that be marvelous and obviate the need for massive lorries towing huge containers of extremely volatile liquid petrochemical products, just plug it in when you aren't using it and come back to it and its ready to go.
Trouble with electricity - in addition to the cost - is that it too can be rationed, in times of emergency - eg. energy supply issues. Or the way things are going environmental issues- too much energy usage today grid is slowing you down
menousername said:
CooperS said:
J4CKO said:
If only there was a type of car where the energy required to power it could be delivered seamlessly via pipe, or maybe even a wire direct to your house ?
Wouldn't that be marvelous and obviate the need for massive lorries towing huge containers of extremely volatile liquid petrochemical products, just plug it in when you aren't using it and come back to it and its ready to go.
LoL as a home with two EVs got to say im with you on this .... Other than the price of energy is about to rise.... Goodbye silly low cost communiting hello really low cost communitingWouldn't that be marvelous and obviate the need for massive lorries towing huge containers of extremely volatile liquid petrochemical products, just plug it in when you aren't using it and come back to it and its ready to go.
Trouble with electricity - in addition to the cost - is that it too can be rationed, in times of emergency - eg. energy supply issues. Or the way things are going environmental issues- too much energy usage today grid is slowing you down
mickyh7 said:
And then when we do only get Electricity three days a week, you'll be stuffed.
Given how many things are dependent on computers and IT now, if we get to electricity being rationed to X days per week, people will have bigger things to worry about than whether or not they can charge their car. J4CKO said:
If only there was a type of car where the energy required to power it could be delivered seamlessly via pipe, or maybe even a wire direct to your house ?
Wouldn't that be marvelous and obviate the need for massive lorries towing huge containers of extremely volatile liquid petrochemical products, just plug it in when you aren't using it and come back to it and its ready to go.
Pipes and wires trailing from every house, flat, maisonnette, etc. Wouldn't that be marvelous and obviate the need for massive lorries towing huge containers of extremely volatile liquid petrochemical products, just plug it in when you aren't using it and come back to it and its ready to go.
Across pavements, car parks, anywhere it is possible to plug in ?
How do you think that will work out ?
People able to just kill a few hours waiting for a charge point and/ or the time it takes to charge ?
The infrastructure for EVs is woeful.
It's OK if you can charge at home (driveway or garage) but many cannot.
Everyone running EVs is still the musings of fantasists
CheesecakeRunner said:
Given how many things are dependent on computers and IT now, if we get to electricity being rationed to X days per week, people will have bigger things to worry about than whether or not they can charge their car.
Agree. All those office workers suddenly wouldn’t be able to log on and use their computers (router needs constant power, despite laptop batteries).
Even if power cuts occur in certain parts of the country it will cause mayhem- people unable to make payments, backlogs of unprocessed orders, support and customer services grinding to a halt…it just goes on and on. Only saving grace in this covid mess was we had technology that allowed us all to communicate without being physically together.
This would also affect jobs that don’t even touch a computer. How would orders be put through? Data centres will have backup generators but they can only run for so long. It’ll be carnage.
Switch off the power and well…things will go downhill very quickly.
Edited by Anubis on Thursday 23 September 17:54
Well done to whoever cornered the market on fuel delivery drivers (obviously not BP, Esso or Tesco.)
I'm no economist but Bank of England seem to be working on the assumption that inflation will be short lived but I think that might be challenged. In transport, logistics, shipping etc. the indication is that capacity will take a couple of years to catch demand. I can't imagine that issues like gas/energy supplies will be any faster. Labour markets will probably get tighter as more people retire while fewer new employees enter the market going forwards (not just in the UK or OECD but actually globally.) China cutting emissions by turning off steel production will also likely pass costs forward to consumers more permanently. I don't yet know if China will be successful in encouraging consumption but if they are that'll likely be a permanent driver of inflation. Technology might help ease that but I doubt we'll see autonomous vehicles in the next two years. Thoughts?
I'm no economist but Bank of England seem to be working on the assumption that inflation will be short lived but I think that might be challenged. In transport, logistics, shipping etc. the indication is that capacity will take a couple of years to catch demand. I can't imagine that issues like gas/energy supplies will be any faster. Labour markets will probably get tighter as more people retire while fewer new employees enter the market going forwards (not just in the UK or OECD but actually globally.) China cutting emissions by turning off steel production will also likely pass costs forward to consumers more permanently. I don't yet know if China will be successful in encouraging consumption but if they are that'll likely be a permanent driver of inflation. Technology might help ease that but I doubt we'll see autonomous vehicles in the next two years. Thoughts?
Heard this reported on the radio after hearing it here. This just sounds like more media fanned hype which will inevitably end as a self-fulfilling prophecy.
The detail is that BP or Esso or both operate circa 1,200 stations in the UK. The report mentioned that the number of affected stations are "in the tens". Well shut the front door - the world is collapsing!
Moreover, they are all in "London and the South East", which says it all really. If it were 20 petrol stations in the North East or Yorkshire does anyone seriously think that this would be all over the national news?
Interestingly, the Radio 4 prog with Evan What's-is-face just before mentioned that the average age of an HGV driver was 57!!! Really?? I find that very difficult to believe.
The detail is that BP or Esso or both operate circa 1,200 stations in the UK. The report mentioned that the number of affected stations are "in the tens". Well shut the front door - the world is collapsing!
Moreover, they are all in "London and the South East", which says it all really. If it were 20 petrol stations in the North East or Yorkshire does anyone seriously think that this would be all over the national news?
Interestingly, the Radio 4 prog with Evan What's-is-face just before mentioned that the average age of an HGV driver was 57!!! Really?? I find that very difficult to believe.
J4CKO said:
If only there was a type of car where the energy required to power it could be delivered seamlessly via pipe, or maybe even a wire direct to your house ?
Wouldn't that be marvelous and obviate the need for massive lorries towing huge containers of extremely volatile liquid petrochemical products, just plug it in when you aren't using it and come back to it and its ready to go.
Sounds amazing. Bet they’d be a bit soulless and dull to drive though Wouldn't that be marvelous and obviate the need for massive lorries towing huge containers of extremely volatile liquid petrochemical products, just plug it in when you aren't using it and come back to it and its ready to go.
AJL308 said:
Heard this reported on the radio after hearing it here. This just sounds like more media fanned hype which will inevitably end as a self-fulfilling prophecy.
The detail is that BP or Esso or both operate circa 1,200 stations in the UK. The report mentioned that the number of affected stations are "in the tens". Well shut the front door - the world is collapsing!
Moreover, they are all in "London and the South East", which says it all really. If it were 20 petrol stations in the North East or Yorkshire does anyone seriously think that this would be all over the national news?
Interestingly, the Radio 4 prog with Evan What's-is-face just before mentioned that the average age of an HGV driver was 57!!! Really?? I find that very difficult to believe.
I believe the age thing. Low wages, specialist licence and training required. Treated poorly by places you deliver to, no use of their toilets/facilities, long hours and often nights out. The detail is that BP or Esso or both operate circa 1,200 stations in the UK. The report mentioned that the number of affected stations are "in the tens". Well shut the front door - the world is collapsing!
Moreover, they are all in "London and the South East", which says it all really. If it were 20 petrol stations in the North East or Yorkshire does anyone seriously think that this would be all over the national news?
Interestingly, the Radio 4 prog with Evan What's-is-face just before mentioned that the average age of an HGV driver was 57!!! Really?? I find that very difficult to believe.
Compared to learning a computer language or learning a trade or something else office based and earning decent money from your home or place of work. Places offering all sorts of benefits compared to being treated like a d
head by your employers. It’s a no brainer and I don’t know anyone who would recommend this to their kids unless there are big changes to the industry. I got my HGV 2 licence when I was 21. Used it for agency work as no employer would take anyone without experience. Found out that you’re treated like rubbish early enough not to make a career out of it and not to pursue the class 1. The medical for the licence has expired this year and I didn’t bother renewing it.
There’s nothing attractive about the job, people don’t stand for taking crap anymore.
J4CKO said:
If only there was a type of car where the energy required to power it could be delivered seamlessly via pipe, or maybe even a wire direct to your house ?
Wouldn't that be marvelous and obviate the need for massive lorries towing huge containers of extremely volatile liquid petrochemical products, just plug it in when you aren't using it and come back to it and its ready to go.
But... but... EVs are inconvenient and take too long to charge! And I can't get from London to Glasgow in one go! And they don't make any noise, my 4 pot turbodiesel makes nice tractor noises!Wouldn't that be marvelous and obviate the need for massive lorries towing huge containers of extremely volatile liquid petrochemical products, just plug it in when you aren't using it and come back to it and its ready to go.
Eric Mc said:
CooperS said:
communiting
What does this word mean? It's a new one on me.Or
It might just be a new socialist way of charging your electric car. If you have a charging point you must allow others to use it or be taxed for not doing so ........kind of thing
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