BP & Esso having fuel supply issues
Discussion
F6C said:
It's not logical, but an increase from £1.49 to £1.50 makes more difference to behaviour than £1.48 to £1.49.
After trying several petrol stations for super unleaded the other day, I was almost happy to pay 159.9p/litre when I finally found one with fuel.Wouldn't pay 160p though...
Joey Deacon said:
I think any car that does 25 MPG and under is going to be pretty much worthless at ten years old if fuel gets much more expensive.
People will just use them for "occasional use" and enjoy them - I do a max of 3000 miles a year in my LC and I don't mind the sub 25 mpg because it's a journey in itself - but at least the VED is still reasonable 
The £600 a year VED ones are still ones to avoid IMO
B'stard Child said:
Joey Deacon said:
I think any car that does 25 MPG and under is going to be pretty much worthless at ten years old if fuel gets much more expensive.
People will just use them for "occasional use" and enjoy them - I do a max of 3000 miles a year in my LC and I don't mind the sub 25 mpg because it's a journey in itself - but at least the VED is still reasonable The £600 a year VED ones are still ones to avoid IMO
CraigyMc said:
B'stard Child said:
Joey Deacon said:
I think any car that does 25 MPG and under is going to be pretty much worthless at ten years old if fuel gets much more expensive.
People will just use them for "occasional use" and enjoy them - I do a max of 3000 miles a year in my LC and I don't mind the sub 25 mpg because it's a journey in itself - but at least the VED is still reasonable The £600 a year VED ones are still ones to avoid IMO
xeny said:
Joey Deacon said:
When I started driving in 92 I think it was about 43p a litre and I could fill the tank of my Mk3 Escort for £20
That sounds about right, I can remember a petrol station on a regular commute and that was the price when I started that job in around 92.| Year | Price per Litre (p) | Price per Gallon (£) |
| 1983 | 36.7 | 1.67 |
| 1984 | 38.7 | 1.759 |
| 1985 | 42.8 | 1.946 |
| 1986 | 38.2 | 1.737 |
| 1987 | 37.8 | 1.719 |
| 1988 | 34.7 | 1.578 |
| 1989 | 38.4 | 1.746 |
| 1990 | 40.2 | 1.828 |
| 1991 | 39.5 | 1.796 |
| 1992 | 40.3 | 1.832 |
| 1993 | 45.9 | 2.087 |
| 1994 | 48.9 | 2.223 |
| 1995 | 50.9 | 2.314 |
| 1996 | 52.9 | 2.405 |
| 1997 | 57.9 | 2.632 |
| 1998 | 60.9 | 2.769 |
| 1999 | 61.9 | 2.814 |
| 2000 | 76.9 | 3.496 |
| 2001 | 77.9 | 3.541 |
| 2002 | 69.9 | 3.178 |
| 2003 | 77.9 | 3.541 |
| 2004 | 77.9 | 3.541 |
| 2005 | 79.9 | 3.632 |
| 2006 | 88.9 | 4.041 |
| 2007 | 87.9 | 3.996 |
| 2008 | 103.9 | 4.723 |
| 2009 | 89.9 | 4.087 |
| 2010 | 111.9 | 5.087 |
| 2011 | 129.9 | 5.905 |
| 2012 | 134.1 | 6.096 |
| 2013 | 138.9 | 6.314 |
| 2014 | 130.9 | 5.951 |
| 2015 | 109.9 | 4.996 |
| 2016 | 103.9 | 4.723 |
| 2017 | 117.9 | 5.36 |
| 2018 | 115.9 | 5.269 |
| 2019 | 119.9 | 5.451 |
| 2020 | 119.9 | 5.451 |
| 2021 | 123.9 | 5.632 |
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Price for 2021 probably needs updating since the "Crisis"
B'stard Child said:
CraigyMc said:
B'stard Child said:
Joey Deacon said:
I think any car that does 25 MPG and under is going to be pretty much worthless at ten years old if fuel gets much more expensive.
People will just use them for "occasional use" and enjoy them - I do a max of 3000 miles a year in my LC and I don't mind the sub 25 mpg because it's a journey in itself - but at least the VED is still reasonable The £600 a year VED ones are still ones to avoid IMO
The first was when I bought two greggs sausage rolls for £15.44 each. (That was a £30 parking ticket plus 88p for the pastries that caused me to overstay long enough - about 1 minute - to get a ticket).
They were nice, but not £15 nice.
KTMsm said:
hotchy said:
Will it put me off getting that 5.0l mustang? Nope. It will however make me use her 0.9 clio more.
I've never understood this type of thinking - you (will) have a decent car but would rather save a few quid and drive something awful some of the time.Wouldn't you be better off buying a decent 2 / 3 / 4 litre and using that all the time - or LPG convert the Mustang ?
Garvin said:
[montypython mode]When I started uni petroleum sprit were 77ppg (and leaded). Tha could put a pounds worth of fuel in tank and drive around for a week.[/montypython mode]
I'm glad you posted that because I was thinking the same, although I was beginning to doubt my memory!sunbeam alpine said:
Garvin said:
[montypython mode]When I started uni petroleum sprit were 77ppg (and leaded). Tha could put a pounds worth of fuel in tank and drive around for a week.[/montypython mode]
I'm glad you posted that because I was thinking the same, although I was beginning to doubt my memory!
CraigyMc said:
It's the second application of that type of logic I've used and can recall.
The first was when I bought two greggs sausage rolls for £15.44 each. (That was a £30 parking ticket plus 88p for the pastries that caused me to overstay long enough - about 1 minute - to get a ticket).
They were nice, but not £15 nice.
You should have got a steak bake too. You know, to maximise your investment The first was when I bought two greggs sausage rolls for £15.44 each. (That was a £30 parking ticket plus 88p for the pastries that caused me to overstay long enough - about 1 minute - to get a ticket).
They were nice, but not £15 nice.
Vanden Saab said:
sunbeam alpine said:
Garvin said:
[montypython mode]When I started uni petroleum sprit were 77ppg (and leaded). Tha could put a pounds worth of fuel in tank and drive around for a week.[/montypython mode]
I'm glad you posted that because I was thinking the same, although I was beginning to doubt my memory!
Every petrol station I've come across over the past couple of days has had no queing on the forecourts so it looks like it's run it's course in the South East, average price for standard unleaded seems to around £1.47.
Indeed, sounds like a ridiculous thing to do. Does your car engine not have knock sensors? It also won’t knock on 95 when mapped for 99 unless you’re really on it on high boost anyway. You’re just confusing the ECU, causing it to go into limp mode and run rich to protect the engine…..using more fuel than necessary in the process!
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
It's a highly strung EJ20 running two decades old engine management that's been mapped for performance, even the stock Japanese STI's (especially Foresters for some reason) will implode in less than one tank of normal unleaded so I'm not risking it.
I don't trust modern octane boosters, the older ones contained toulene but they don't seem to be available anymore and the newer ones don't give any info on the composition so take their claims with a pinch of salt until someone has done back to back runs on a dyno and monitored the knock and ignition advance.
dvs_dave said:
eliot said:
untakenname said:
I've been driving around sedately the past week off boost (wastegate manually locked open the whole time) as the only fuel I could get was 95 when the cars mapped for 99,]
Full boost WOT best avoided but locking your wastegate open and zero boost because you are on 95 sounds way ottA little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
38911 said:
SlimJim16v said:
If only there were a cheap, easily obtained additive that boosted the octane rating of petrol.
Indeed. Or something fitted to the engine called a knock sensor.I don't trust modern octane boosters, the older ones contained toulene but they don't seem to be available anymore and the newer ones don't give any info on the composition so take their claims with a pinch of salt until someone has done back to back runs on a dyno and monitored the knock and ignition advance.
untakenname said:
Every petrol station I've come across over the past couple of days has had no queing on the forecourts so it looks like it's run it's course in the South East, average price for standard unleaded seems to around £1.47.
I filled up at Sainsbury's Farnham a couple of days ago. No queue but half the pumps were empty (not uncommon there normally though). Unleaded was 137.9, Super was 145.9.B'stard Child said:
Luckily someone has done the hard work for us all
From Here
Price for 2021 probably needs updating since the "Crisis"
| Year | Price per Litre (p) | Price per Gallon (£) |
| 1983 | 36.7 | 1.67 |
| 1984 | 38.7 | 1.759 |
| 1985 | 42.8 | 1.946 |
| 1986 | 38.2 | 1.737 |
| 1987 | 37.8 | 1.719 |
| 1988 | 34.7 | 1.578 |
| 1989 | 38.4 | 1.746 |
| 1990 | 40.2 | 1.828 |
| 1991 | 39.5 | 1.796 |
| 1992 | 40.3 | 1.832 |
| 1993 | 45.9 | 2.087 |
| 1994 | 48.9 | 2.223 |
| 1995 | 50.9 | 2.314 |
| 1996 | 52.9 | 2.405 |
| 1997 | 57.9 | 2.632 |
| 1998 | 60.9 | 2.769 |
| 1999 | 61.9 | 2.814 |
| 2000 | 76.9 | 3.496 |
| 2001 | 77.9 | 3.541 |
| 2002 | 69.9 | 3.178 |
| 2003 | 77.9 | 3.541 |
| 2004 | 77.9 | 3.541 |
| 2005 | 79.9 | 3.632 |
| 2006 | 88.9 | 4.041 |
| 2007 | 87.9 | 3.996 |
| 2008 | 103.9 | 4.723 |
| 2009 | 89.9 | 4.087 |
| 2010 | 111.9 | 5.087 |
| 2011 | 129.9 | 5.905 |
| 2012 | 134.1 | 6.096 |
| 2013 | 138.9 | 6.314 |
| 2014 | 130.9 | 5.951 |
| 2015 | 109.9 | 4.996 |
| 2016 | 103.9 | 4.723 |
| 2017 | 117.9 | 5.36 |
| 2018 | 115.9 | 5.269 |
| 2019 | 119.9 | 5.451 |
| 2020 | 119.9 | 5.451 |
| 2021 | 123.9 | 5.632 |
From Here
Price for 2021 probably needs updating since the "Crisis"
Using above table, inflation websites and because I have nothing better to do (!) the most expensive fuel was in 2013 at £7.42 per gallon, whilst the cheapest was in 1992 at £3.88 per gallon (figures adjusted for inflation of course!). Fairly expensive in 1985 at £6.06 per gallon also. Any errors please accept my apologies.
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