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ZedLeg said:
Because if you look into how the trans community feel about this decision for any more than five minutes you would see that Kaitlyn Jenner is in a tiny minority of people who support it.
Just take a second to read that back to yourself and have a think about it. Just because a higher percentage of a community support something doesn't make it right. It concerns me that such a high percentage of the trans community support males competing against females in sport and see no issue with it whatsoever. It's a push too far IMO and crosses a line that needn't and shouldn't have been crossed doing trans people huge harm in the process.
ZedLeg said:
Ok, to put that statement in context with what I was replying to.
Why would I not listen to women who’s opinion and work I respect over one who’s opinion I don’t respect and who’s work for the last 40 years has mostly been self promotion?
To be fair to Jenner their while image was about promotion and allowed athletes to capitalise on their sucess. She is now just using that skill to promote her brand. It's busiess its not about being trans as such.Why would I not listen to women who’s opinion and work I respect over one who’s opinion I don’t respect and who’s work for the last 40 years has mostly been self promotion?
Of course it’s not about being trans, she was a superficial attention seeker before she transitioned.
I’m not going to keep having a go at her, the person I was replying to tried to pick an example to support their argument and happened to pick a really bad one. I understand what they were trying to say but the way they said it undermined their point from the get go.
I’m not going to keep having a go at her, the person I was replying to tried to pick an example to support their argument and happened to pick a really bad one. I understand what they were trying to say but the way they said it undermined their point from the get go.
bobbo89 said:
It concerns me that such a high percentage of the trans community support males competing against females in sport and see no issue with it whatsoever.
It's a push too far IMO and crosses a line that needn't and shouldn't have been crossed doing trans people huge harm in the process.
Exactly. It's a push too far IMO and crosses a line that needn't and shouldn't have been crossed doing trans people huge harm in the process.
It appears that it is not really about considering the impact on female sport at all, it is just "Transgender rights", so automatically supported.
Jo/Joe Public will hear about it, roll their eyes and think "not this nonsense again".
How anybody can transition, to a greater or lesser degree, and do significantly better in a new gender category and feel justified in doing so, I do not know or understand.
ZedLeg said:
Of course it’s not about being trans, she was a superficial attention seeker before she transitioned.
I’m not going to keep having a go at her, the person I was replying to tried to pick an example to support their argument and happened to pick a really bad one. I understand what they were trying to say but the way they said it undermined their point from the get go.
Could they have picked an example that supported their position that you would have accepted?I’m not going to keep having a go at her, the person I was replying to tried to pick an example to support their argument and happened to pick a really bad one. I understand what they were trying to say but the way they said it undermined their point from the get go.
Honestly staggered that what seems like the most basic common sense is so contentious.
Also, is there actually an ‘anti-trans movement’?
I feel like the vast majority of people are as broadly ambivalent to the trans community as they are to any other.
People agreeing that it’s mental to have men competing against women in elite sport doesn’t feel so much like a coordinated movement to me.
Crazy that it seems to be such a big topic.
Also, is there actually an ‘anti-trans movement’?
I feel like the vast majority of people are as broadly ambivalent to the trans community as they are to any other.
People agreeing that it’s mental to have men competing against women in elite sport doesn’t feel so much like a coordinated movement to me.
Crazy that it seems to be such a big topic.
Disastrous said:
Also, is there actually an ‘anti-trans movement’?
No, people just understand basic biology and that no matter what a male will always be male and a female always female. That cannot be changed no matter what science is applied (waits for someone to bring up intersex).What's happened is that a small group of very vocal trans rights activists wish to have us all believe that a trans-woman is actually female and a trans-man male and therefore should be treated as such in every aspect of their lives. No ifs and no buts and if you question this you're a transphobic bigot who just wants to erase trans people.
It's the expectation that we're all to believe a person can simply change sex at will and therefore receive the same sex based rights as the opposite sex. To disagree with that is not transphobic, it's just reality.
ZedLeg said:
andyA700 said:
ZedLeg said:
Just my opinion but it’s not trans people who have been stamping their feet and shouting, they’re just trying to protect their right to do things they were already doing.
It’s the people that have suddenly decided that trans people are a threat to society that are causing a ruckus.
I suggest that you take a look at this then. One side has been consistently violent and vocal and it isn't the feminists or gender critical people.It’s the people that have suddenly decided that trans people are a threat to society that are causing a ruckus.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOM9J_ZIrYtiM...
andyA700 said:
ZedLeg said:
andyA700 said:
ZedLeg said:
Just my opinion but it’s not trans people who have been stamping their feet and shouting, they’re just trying to protect their right to do things they were already doing.
It’s the people that have suddenly decided that trans people are a threat to society that are causing a ruckus.
I suggest that you take a look at this then. One side has been consistently violent and vocal and it isn't the feminists or gender critical people.It’s the people that have suddenly decided that trans people are a threat to society that are causing a ruckus.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOM9J_ZIrYtiM...
t posted on twitter to smear a whole category of people as violent when there are real reports of that minority being regularly murdered and assaulted and claiming they are the violent ones is dishonest to say the least Edited by 8.4L 154 on Saturday 25th June 11:46
8.4L 154 said:
andyA700 said:
ZedLeg said:
andyA700 said:
ZedLeg said:
Just my opinion but it’s not trans people who have been stamping their feet and shouting, they’re just trying to protect their right to do things they were already doing.
It’s the people that have suddenly decided that trans people are a threat to society that are causing a ruckus.
I suggest that you take a look at this then. One side has been consistently violent and vocal and it isn't the feminists or gender critical people.It’s the people that have suddenly decided that trans people are a threat to society that are causing a ruckus.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOM9J_ZIrYtiM...
t posted on twitter to smear a whole category of people as violent when there are real reports of that minority being regularly murdered and assaulted and claiming they are the violent ones is dishonest to say the least Edited by 8.4L 154 on Saturday 25th June 11:46
andyA700 said:
8.4L 154 said:
andyA700 said:
ZedLeg said:
andyA700 said:
ZedLeg said:
Just my opinion but it’s not trans people who have been stamping their feet and shouting, they’re just trying to protect their right to do things they were already doing.
It’s the people that have suddenly decided that trans people are a threat to society that are causing a ruckus.
I suggest that you take a look at this then. One side has been consistently violent and vocal and it isn't the feminists or gender critical people.It’s the people that have suddenly decided that trans people are a threat to society that are causing a ruckus.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOM9J_ZIrYtiM...
t posted on twitter to smear a whole category of people as violent when there are real reports of that minority being regularly murdered and assaulted and claiming they are the violent ones is dishonest to say the least Edited by 8.4L 154 on Saturday 25th June 11:46
Either way while under reported to the police UK hate crimes towards transgender people is a real thing in the UK reported on in crime statistics and is increasing at an alarming pace
8.4L 154 said:
Your gallery of hate didn't appear to be restricted to the UK.
Either way while under reported to the police UK hate crimes towards transgender people is a real thing in the UK reported on in crime statistics and is increasing at an alarming pace
People in my local area think that burglary is a new thing in the past few years. Either way while under reported to the police UK hate crimes towards transgender people is a real thing in the UK reported on in crime statistics and is increasing at an alarming pace
...What they overlook is that the Internet, social media and Facebook groups are a new thing in the past few years.
Modern day people in the UK are far, far more accepting of minorities than they were in times gone by.
andyA700 said:
I suggest that you take a look at this then. One side has been consistently violent and vocal and it isn't the feminists or gender critical people.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOM9J_ZIrYtiM...
My god, How did I miss this? https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOM9J_ZIrYtiM...
Going through the effort of searching for, screenshoting and cataloguing any vaguely nasty comment about your hate group is absolutely deranged behaviour.
WTF am I doing paying a mortgage when trans people can live in these people's heads rent free?
And it's not like anybody has ever said anything negative to a trans person either.
It's not like there are entire forums setup with the sole purpose of doxxing trans people exist.
It's not like razor blades have been found behind TERF propaganda posters.
It's not like there's a piece in the media that questions the legitimacy of trans people existence, daily.
It's not a like a significant amount of trans people are assaulted, murdered, discriminated against and harassed, daily.
Nope, never.
Have another
, you guys deserve itWorldBoss said:
andyA700 said:
I suggest that you take a look at this then. One side has been consistently violent and vocal and it isn't the feminists or gender critical people.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOM9J_ZIrYtiM...
My god, How did I miss this? https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOM9J_ZIrYtiM...
Going through the effort of searching for, screenshoting and cataloguing any vaguely nasty comment about your hate group is absolutely deranged behaviour.
WTF am I doing paying a mortgage when trans people can live in these people's heads rent free?
And it's not like anybody has ever said anything negative to a trans person either.
It's not like there are entire forums setup with the sole purpose of doxxing trans people exist.
It's not like razor blades have been found behind TERF propaganda posters.
It's not like there's a piece in the media that questions the legitimacy of trans people existence, daily.
It's not a like a significant amount of trans people are assaulted, murdered, discriminated against and harassed, daily.
Nope, never.
Have another
, you guys deserve ithttps://tra-receipts.tumblr.com/post/6255736720082...
ZedLeg said:
Of course it’s not about being trans, she was a superficial attention seeker before she transitioned.
You are such a massive hypocrite.If someone else had suggested someone trans had done something because they were an attention seeker you'd be all over them.
Guess that's how the black hoodie crew justify things to themselves.
andyA700 said:
WorldBoss said:
andyA700 said:
I suggest that you take a look at this then. One side has been consistently violent and vocal and it isn't the feminists or gender critical people.
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOM9J_ZIrYtiM...
My god, How did I miss this? https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipOM9J_ZIrYtiM...
Going through the effort of searching for, screenshoting and cataloguing any vaguely nasty comment about your hate group is absolutely deranged behaviour.
WTF am I doing paying a mortgage when trans people can live in these people's heads rent free?
And it's not like anybody has ever said anything negative to a trans person either.
It's not like there are entire forums setup with the sole purpose of doxxing trans people exist.
It's not like razor blades have been found behind TERF propaganda posters.
It's not like there's a piece in the media that questions the legitimacy of trans people existence, daily.
It's not a like a significant amount of trans people are assaulted, murdered, discriminated against and harassed, daily.
Nope, never.
Have another
, you guys deserve ithttps://tra-receipts.tumblr.com/post/6255736720082...
Meanwhile from today, Shooting at LGBT bar marked as terrorism and cancelling pride. Remember what the T stands for and remember when Kelly J Keen called for people to carry guns and shoot trans people.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/24/europe/norway-oslo-...
pquinn said:
8.4L 154 said:
Meanwhile from today, Shooting at LGBT bar marked as terrorism and cancelling pride.
Extrapolating from what some Iranian loon did at a gay bar is a bit of a stretch.On the other hand the events in Idaho targeting pride just over a week ago has been a factor in what I'm doing today, the above reinforces that. Terrorism targeting LGBT people does have an effect on trans people, after all that is what the T stands for.
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