Climate change - the POLITICAL debate (Vol 7)
Discussion
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
robinessex said:
Early this morning (3:30 am), there was some lunatic woman on the Beeb, ranting and blaming just about every weather event anywhere on the planet as 'being caused by CC'. A complete nutcase. The Beeb interviewer lapped it up. Beeb is now a 100% propaganda spreader. Facts don't matter, let's hype it up as dramatic news.
We are seeing the merging of the covid and climate hysteriae. Charles was linking more pandemics with climate change a couple of days ago, so expect more climate tipping points and more diseases of concern. Yay…
Climate change swells odds of record India, Pakistan heatwaves
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-614...
Climate change makes record-breaking heatwaves in northwest India and Pakistan 100 times more likely, a Met Office study finds.
The region should now expect a heatwave that exceeds the record temperatures seen in 2010 once every three years.
Without climate change, such extreme temperatures would occur only once every 312 years, the Met Office says.
It always helps to have numbers for an attributable CC event.
"It attempts to ESTIMATE the extent to which climate change made that and future events more LIKELY. These "ATTRIBUTION studies" involve running computer SIMULATIONS comparing how frequently a weather event is LIKELY to occur in two scenarios. One models the climate as it is today, the other a climate where the human INFLUENCE on greenhouse gases and other drivers of climate change has been removed. The scenarios are run through 14 different computer models and produce DOZENS OF DIFFERENT SIMULATIONS which are compared to work out how climate change has altered the PROBABILITY of an event happening."
Even if they're a complete guess then. GIGO stikes again.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-614...
Climate change makes record-breaking heatwaves in northwest India and Pakistan 100 times more likely, a Met Office study finds.
The region should now expect a heatwave that exceeds the record temperatures seen in 2010 once every three years.
Without climate change, such extreme temperatures would occur only once every 312 years, the Met Office says.
It always helps to have numbers for an attributable CC event.
"It attempts to ESTIMATE the extent to which climate change made that and future events more LIKELY. These "ATTRIBUTION studies" involve running computer SIMULATIONS comparing how frequently a weather event is LIKELY to occur in two scenarios. One models the climate as it is today, the other a climate where the human INFLUENCE on greenhouse gases and other drivers of climate change has been removed. The scenarios are run through 14 different computer models and produce DOZENS OF DIFFERENT SIMULATIONS which are compared to work out how climate change has altered the PROBABILITY of an event happening."
Even if they're a complete guess then. GIGO stikes again.
durbster said:
Looks like he's completely lost the plot now
The plot that's lost is climate change fearmongering. Blame the numpties who wrote the guff collated in that list.
Good to see a reasoned response rather than yet another personal attack (shoot the messenger = ad hom logical fallacy).
Randy Winkman said:
Turbobloke - is that list intended to show things at are not actually happening or things that are not actually being caused by AGW because there's no AGW?
Ask the original collator? Apart from that...From a skim read it's anything satisfying the following equation:
More fear generated by alarmism = more funding for CC 'research' + more control 'hopefully' be handed to politicians taking drastic costly and unnecessary action.
Australia election: How climate is making Australia more unliveable
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-6143246...
In the past three years, record-breaking bushfire and flood events have killed more than 500 people and billions of animals. Drought, cyclones and freak tides have gripped communities.Climate change is a key concern for voters in Australia's election on Saturday. So is the cost of living - and these issues are converging like never before. Australia is facing an "insurability crisis" with one in 25 homes on track to be effectively uninsurable by 2030, according to a Climate Council report. Another one in 11 are at risk of being underinsured. Insurance for the highest-risk homes will be prohibitively expensive or refused by providers, says the Climate Council, which created an interactive map for Australians to search. "Climate change is playing out in real time here and many Australians now find it impossible to insure their homes and businesses," says chief executive Amanda McKenzie...........continues
Blame lots of things on CC and then hike up the cost.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-6143246...
In the past three years, record-breaking bushfire and flood events have killed more than 500 people and billions of animals. Drought, cyclones and freak tides have gripped communities.Climate change is a key concern for voters in Australia's election on Saturday. So is the cost of living - and these issues are converging like never before. Australia is facing an "insurability crisis" with one in 25 homes on track to be effectively uninsurable by 2030, according to a Climate Council report. Another one in 11 are at risk of being underinsured. Insurance for the highest-risk homes will be prohibitively expensive or refused by providers, says the Climate Council, which created an interactive map for Australians to search. "Climate change is playing out in real time here and many Australians now find it impossible to insure their homes and businesses," says chief executive Amanda McKenzie...........continues
Blame lots of things on CC and then hike up the cost.
BBC? Perfect.
When the Australian Institute of Criminology analysed bushfires (Bushfire Arson Bulletin No. 51) on a state/territory basis, with national coverage, fire data showed that, on average across the country 13% of bushfires were recorded as started deliberately and another 37% were recorded as suspicious. 50% in total for the two categories. Manmade fits, but not as advertised.
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When the Australian Institute of Criminology analysed bushfires (Bushfire Arson Bulletin No. 51) on a state/territory basis, with national coverage, fire data showed that, on average across the country 13% of bushfires were recorded as started deliberately and another 37% were recorded as suspicious. 50% in total for the two categories. Manmade fits, but not as advertised.
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Edited by turbobloke on Friday 20th May 09:17
turbobloke said:
Poor? Poor show from agw ramping, with repeated ad homs accompanying nothing. Where's the analysis of official weather records showing that extreme weather in the UK is increasing as claimed by activists and politicians? Nowhere, it's decreased over the last 30 years. Where's an explanation of how dominant carbon dioxide was dominated in 2021 with 2021 being cooler than 2020? Nowhere, for obvious reasons. Where's the valid stats attributing climate events to human emissions? Where's the analysis showing efficacy of UK climate policy with no need for politicians to order coal burning in the middle of a climate conference and no need for vulnerable voters to choose between heating and eating? Questions too difficult? Rhetorical question.
Every time turbobloke has commented about 2021 being cooler than 2020 - about 4 times now - I've replied to him, explained it (ENSO variation) and he's just ignored and repeated the same f
kin dumb comments.Edited by kerplunk on Friday 20th May 10:50
turbobloke said:
BBC? Perfect.
When the Australian Institute of Criminology analysed bushfires (Bushfire Arson Bulletin No. 51) on a state/territory basis, with national coverage, fire data showed that, on average across the country 13% of bushfires were recorded as started deliberately and another 37% were recorded as suspicious. 50% in total for the two categories. Manmade fits, but not as advertised.
Edited for spag.
Plus the authorities prohibited controlled burns out of season. I believe similar has happened in the USA?When the Australian Institute of Criminology analysed bushfires (Bushfire Arson Bulletin No. 51) on a state/territory basis, with national coverage, fire data showed that, on average across the country 13% of bushfires were recorded as started deliberately and another 37% were recorded as suspicious. 50% in total for the two categories. Manmade fits, but not as advertised.
Edited for spag.
Edited by turbobloke on Friday 20th May 09:17
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
turbobloke said:
BBC? Perfect.
When the Australian Institute of Criminology analysed bushfires (Bushfire Arson Bulletin No. 51) on a state/territory basis, with national coverage, fire data showed that, on average across the country 13% of bushfires were recorded as started deliberately and another 37% were recorded as suspicious. 50% in total for the two categories. Manmade fits, but not as advertised.
Edited for spag.
Plus the authorities prohibited controlled burns out of season. I believe similar has happened in the USA?When the Australian Institute of Criminology analysed bushfires (Bushfire Arson Bulletin No. 51) on a state/territory basis, with national coverage, fire data showed that, on average across the country 13% of bushfires were recorded as started deliberately and another 37% were recorded as suspicious. 50% in total for the two categories. Manmade fits, but not as advertised.
Edited for spag.
Edited by turbobloke on Friday 20th May 09:17
Randy Winkman said:
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
turbobloke said:
BBC? Perfect.
When the Australian Institute of Criminology analysed bushfires (Bushfire Arson Bulletin No. 51) on a state/territory basis, with national coverage, fire data showed that, on average across the country 13% of bushfires were recorded as started deliberately and another 37% were recorded as suspicious. 50% in total for the two categories. Manmade fits, but not as advertised.
Edited for spag.
Plus the authorities prohibited controlled burns out of season. I believe similar has happened in the USA?When the Australian Institute of Criminology analysed bushfires (Bushfire Arson Bulletin No. 51) on a state/territory basis, with national coverage, fire data showed that, on average across the country 13% of bushfires were recorded as started deliberately and another 37% were recorded as suspicious. 50% in total for the two categories. Manmade fits, but not as advertised.
Edited for spag.
Edited by turbobloke on Friday 20th May 09:17
turbobloke said:
BBC? Perfect.
When the Australian Institute of Criminology analysed bushfires (Bushfire Arson Bulletin No. 51) on a state/territory basis, with national coverage, fire data showed that, on average across the country 13% of bushfires were recorded as started deliberately and another 37% were recorded as suspicious. 50% in total for the two categories. Manmade fits, but not as advertised.
Edited for spag.
'What you fail to understand is that man is part of nature and what man chooses to do with is ingenuity is therefore natural too' - turbobloke on AGWWhen the Australian Institute of Criminology analysed bushfires (Bushfire Arson Bulletin No. 51) on a state/territory basis, with national coverage, fire data showed that, on average across the country 13% of bushfires were recorded as started deliberately and another 37% were recorded as suspicious. 50% in total for the two categories. Manmade fits, but not as advertised.
Edited for spag.
Edited by turbobloke on Friday 20th May 09:17
Hey turbobloke! please respond to this reply that you keep claiming is absent:
Look at the data and see how many times there's been a year cooler than the preceding year during the warming trend of the last 50 years. Look at the ENSO indexes and observe how the inter-annual temperature ups and downs track with that. 2021 was a La Nina year so a 'down' was to be expected. What makes you think that 2021 is somehow different and indicative of the future? I really can't fathom how you can punt such poor analysis - so wishful.
kerplunk said:
turbobloke said:
With 2021 cooler than 2020 on this 'overheating planet' it's not yet clear how the timescale to 2050 will go with mean global temperature.
For an 'empiricist' you don't half talk some utter rubbish. Look at the data and see how many times there's been a year cooler than the preceding year during the warming trend of the last 50 years. Look at the ENSO indexes and observe how the inter-annual temperature ups and downs track with that. 2021 was a La Nina year so a 'down' was to be expected. What makes you think that 2021 is somehow different and indicative of the future? I really can't fathom how you can punt such poor analysis - so wishful.
And this one:
As per last time you said it a couple of weeks ago:
If your dramatic solar-driven cooling ever showed up the same inter-annual ups and downs due to ENSO would be observed - you must be plying this line knowing that's unlikely to be tested
kerplunk said:
turbobloke said:
What climate change problem? The one manufactured for political purposes and ramped by an international advocacy organisation? Which hasn't as yet explained how on this 'overheating planet' 2021 was cooler than 2020 (UAH LTT v6)? If airport tarmac is used to substitute for remote areas with no sensor then such contaminated near-surface data can do nothing but support the politics.
This again. As per last time you said it a couple of weeks ago:
kerplunk said:
2021 was cooler than 2020 across satellite and surface datasets, as expected due to La Nina, but for some strange political reason you try to make it sound like a satellite-only result.
And there's nothing "yet to be explained" about a La Nina year being cooler than the preceding year.If your dramatic solar-driven cooling ever showed up the same inter-annual ups and downs due to ENSO would be observed - you must be plying this line knowing that's unlikely to be tested
This not-carbon-dioxide article on Sahara Greening aka climate change from Dr Ian Smith at Cambridge:..
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20220519...
...reminded me of this positive-effect-of-carbon-dioxide from NASA:
Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth Study Finds
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-d...
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20220519...
...reminded me of this positive-effect-of-carbon-dioxide from NASA:
Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth Study Finds
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-d...
kerplunk said:
turbobloke said:
Where's an explanation of how dominant carbon dioxide was dominated in 2021 with 2021 being cooler than 2020? Nowhere, for obvious reasons.
Where's an explanation for why turbobloke keeps repeating this crap?
But as we can see the record is peppered with years that were cooler than the previous year - I make it 16 times in that graph since 1980, mostly correlated with ENSO variations of course (apart from the odd major volcanic eruption like pinatubo in '91) as it is in 2021 and La Nina.
What makes 2020-21 different?
Edited by kerplunk on Friday 20th May 15:17
Edited by kerplunk on Friday 20th May 15:18
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