Climate change - the POLITICAL debate (Vol 7)
Discussion
To give credit where it's due, local politicians get it right on occasions with climate and weather. Unlike some recent online coverage of the unfortunate events in Norfolk at the mo. Maybe click and enlarge the first item, which is easily located online. There's a url with the second.
That's not to say there's no knee bending to the new climate religion elsewhere, just that it's a refreshing change to see anything so muted, pretty much totally.
That's not to say there's no knee bending to the new climate religion elsewhere, just that it's a refreshing change to see anything so muted, pretty much totally.
turbobloke said:
And a very odd aspect of durbster's response to a vast array of failed agw predictions was linking to my coverage of published research on solar influences on climate (well-known influences, see NASA) as if they've also failed when there's 7 to 27 years left before any judgement is available. The post (mine) quoted actually mentioned decades ahead, and the particular timescales have been repeated several times in response to agw supporters' attrition looping on this.
Are you trying to hypnotise Diderot into un-seeing the 1.5 cooling by 2020 one or something? 
Oliver Shah: My prediction: UK government will slam the brakes on 2030 Net Zero targets
The Sunday Times, 12 March 2023
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/my-prediction-m...
The Sunday Times, 12 March 2023
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/my-prediction-m...
International climate politics, interesting times and it's not China.
Republicans make U.S. energy security and production top priority with new legislation
OilPrice.com, 14 March 2023
Republicans take up arms against Biden’s energy and climate spending plan
Stars and Stripes, 14 March 2023
Democrats criticize Biden’s broken climate promises in approving Alaska oil project
The Epoch Times, 14 March 2023
Republicans make U.S. energy security and production top priority with new legislation
OilPrice.com, 14 March 2023
Republicans take up arms against Biden’s energy and climate spending plan
Stars and Stripes, 14 March 2023
Democrats criticize Biden’s broken climate promises in approving Alaska oil project
The Epoch Times, 14 March 2023
Master Of Puppets said:
Well we didn't / haven't, so that'll be that then, how long have we got?
The Independent took their year 2000 vinerism article on UK snow off the web some years back.
Glacier National Park took their 'glaciers will be gone by 2020' signage down when the glaciers forgot to read the signage and didn't go.
Another product of i.c.e. car sharing has emerged this morning, it's under an O/T icon to placate any pedants but it's relevant to the politics of agw as it covers very nicely the issue of science and evidence taking precedence (or not) over fashionable dogma. The item I'm referring to starts at 1h 22m approx. Not something I'd have expected regarding efficacy of national parks, and not 'populist' by any means. Note the shocked beeb appeal to authority at the close. It's unlikely that this scientist will be invited back due to the heresy aspect, like the geologist who explained that fracking doesn't cause earthquakes, but minor tremors which are the release of existing strain (in rock strata) which would have continued to build up and cause an actual earthquake at some future point. Here's the link.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001k0zp
Meanwhile definitely OnT with climate politics, there's the budget, in which £20 billion is being made available for Carbon Capture Utilisation and Storage (CCUS), allowing for continued use of low-cost, highly productive and beneficial fossil fuels (para 4.100) alongside confirmation of the previously announced body Great British Nuclear to promote the development of Small Modular Nuclear Reactors (para 4.101) a late but welcome boost to energy security given the current 'strategy' of increasing reliance on unreliable intermittent energy sources.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001k0zp
Meanwhile definitely OnT with climate politics, there's the budget, in which £20 billion is being made available for Carbon Capture Utilisation and Storage (CCUS), allowing for continued use of low-cost, highly productive and beneficial fossil fuels (para 4.100) alongside confirmation of the previously announced body Great British Nuclear to promote the development of Small Modular Nuclear Reactors (para 4.101) a late but welcome boost to energy security given the current 'strategy' of increasing reliance on unreliable intermittent energy sources.
J210 said:
Why when we are being told there is to much Co2 about are councils cutting down urban trees at a rate of knots ?
Our council are taking out ash trees anywhere near roads or paths, apparently due to rick of trees falling due to ash dieback. I wish they'd leave the timber for me to pick up but no doubt it is being sold as firewood. They were a bit coy about that when I asked.Kawasicki said:
That David Attenborough dude clearly doesn’t know his arse from his elbow!
The scientist interviewed spoke plainly, telling R4 that claims they promulgate involve fake news / numbers and pointing out that policy should be based on evidence. That's obvious but as it's heresy against fashionable dogma-based doctrine, it'll be controversial. Now repeat with polar bears (chances slimmer),In 1948, when Al Gore was born, Earth had 130,000 glaciers.
Today, 75 years later, the Earth has 130,000 glaciers remaining.
It does however still remain a fact that the toxins being released into the atmosphere by humans are the cause of many serious
health problems for many forms of life including humans.
Today, 75 years later, the Earth has 130,000 glaciers remaining.
It does however still remain a fact that the toxins being released into the atmosphere by humans are the cause of many serious
health problems for many forms of life including humans.
Master Of Puppets said:
In 1948, when Al Gore was born, Earth had 130,000 glaciers.
Today, 75 years later, the Earth has 130,000 glaciers remaining.
It does however still remain a fact that the toxins being released into the atmosphere by humans are the cause of many serious
health problems for many forms of life including humans.
There are many genuine and harmful environmental concerns for sure. It would be strange to object to addressing them. As far as air and humans are concerned, indoor air is the problem (indoor air is typically 5x to 10x more polluted than outdoor urban air according to US EPA and UK BRE, and we spend 90% up of our time indoors...and if we're more susceptible to atmospherics due to non-trivial illness, make that 100%). If political prioritising ever returns to using logic and reason, it would be a refreshing change.Today, 75 years later, the Earth has 130,000 glaciers remaining.
It does however still remain a fact that the toxins being released into the atmosphere by humans are the cause of many serious
health problems for many forms of life including humans.
I think that is very dependant on the location of your house, it may well be correct on say a detatched cottage up a moorland track in the west highlands of Scotland for example, compare that to a cottage sitting at the Newbridge roundabout in Edinburgh where the A8 / M8 / M9 all converge
and the traffic from the airport is right overhead, and the air quality especially in times when high pressure is sitting over the UK and the air is virtually stagnant, then difference in indoor air quality in two those examples must be at different ends of the spectrum.
and the traffic from the airport is right overhead, and the air quality especially in times when high pressure is sitting over the UK and the air is virtually stagnant, then difference in indoor air quality in two those examples must be at different ends of the spectrum.
Master Of Puppets said:
I think that is very dependant on the location of your house, it may well be correct on say a detatched cottage up a moorland track in the west highlands of Scotland for example, compare that to a cottage sitting at the Newbridge roundabout in Edinburgh where the A8 / M8 / M9 all converge
and the traffic from the airport is right overhead, and the air quality especially in times when high pressure is sitting over the UK and the air is virtually stagnant, then difference in indoor air quality in two those examples must be at different ends of the spectrum.
Yes it will vary, no question, though the so-called data on health impacts from outdoor pollution which result in scary headlines don't measure actual pollution levels for individuals at their location for the so-called 40,000 so-called premature deaths annually, at or near the time of death or otherwise. Historical air quality indicator measures are used on a bulk buy temporal and geographical basis. As you're interested in this area of enquiry you might like to take a look at the following article.and the traffic from the airport is right overhead, and the air quality especially in times when high pressure is sitting over the UK and the air is virtually stagnant, then difference in indoor air quality in two those examples must be at different ends of the spectrum.
https://www.wmbriggs.com/post/13029/
If that piqued your interest, some more articles which cover inter alia the issue of living by a busy road and trying to change what changes and cannot change.
Dust to Bust https://www.wmbriggs.com/post/25446/
Tackle Gravity https://www.wmbriggs.com/post/43718/
Bad Science https://www.wmbriggs.com/post/43225/
Master Of Puppets said:
In 1948, when Al Gore was born, Earth had 130,000 glaciers.
Today, 75 years later, the Earth has 130,000 glaciers remaining.
Today, 75 years later, the Earth has 130,000 glaciers remaining.
Source: WGMS
Diderot said:
durbster said:
turbobloke said:
just think of how many duff climatewang predictions we can 'enjoy' before then.
Like this one?
Or this one?
Obviously we won't know whether he was right about what happened three years ago for at least another seven years because ... err... numbers work upside down in denier world I guess.
Don't question it, just shut up and have faith.
durbster said:
turbobloke said:
just think of how many duff climatewang predictions we can 'enjoy' before then.
turbobloke said:
Is premature adjudication due to global local warming cooling change chaos?
Premature? Dishonesty as a default. This is what Archibald's paper said in 2006:Solar Cycles 24 and 25 and Predicted Climate Response said:
Based on solar maxima of approximately 50 for solar cycles 24 and 25, a global temperature decline of 1.5°C is predicted to 2020, equating to the experience of the Dalton Minimum
And here's what his follow up said in 2007:Climate Outlook to 2030 said:
Our forecast for global average temperature to 2030 has been updated for the progression of Solar Cycle 23 and the contribution that will be made by increased carbon dioxide in the atmosphere...there will be a global average temperature decline in the range of 1° to 2°C for the forecast period
Oh look, failed predictions. Getting stuff wrong is an inevitable part of science so I'm not attacking Archibald here. All fields of science have got stuff wrong. That's obvious.
My point is about the shameless hypocrisy of those happy to relentlessly mock and disparage one man based exclusively on a single sentence published in a casual newspaper article 20 years ago, while ignoring the fact that their beliefs are derived from people who have published whole papers of total failures.
Comments on the Budget from Drs Constable and Peiser respectively of Net Zero Watch said:
What cannot go on must eventually start to stop. Today’s Budget is a very small but significant step in the gradual unwinding of the mistaken renewable energy agenda of the last twenty years. This is not an exciting budget, but it is probably a landmark.
With China moving into the Middle East, President Biden approving massive oil drilling and Germany rejecting the EU’s planned ICE car ban, it's quite evident that we're witnessing a shift in the political climate. There is now a growing opportunity for Western leaders to instigate a gradual return to political and energy realism.
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turbobloke said:
And unlike certain political protest movements, there's a workable alternative on offer which is still generally compatible with the myths snd legends of our current failing approach so may be palatable to a wide audience (pdf).
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Also, speaking of dishonesty, people may not realise that these vague links tb posts all the time are from the NZW newsletter and include its tracking data. That means making people curious enough to click on them helps make their email analytics look better than they are. Then presumably this data is used when they're seeking funding from ... unspecified sources.Click
I'm sure most people are cautious enough not to click on links to random PDFs from untrustworthy sources anyway but it's worth pointing out as it's not obvious, and perhaps explains the clickbaity way they're presented.
Same old, where mention of speaking of dishonesty means ad hom meets irony. See climate politics, myriad failed predictions, contrived excuses and the rest.
Meanwhile in the changing climate of international climate politics...
Aadil Brar: After Saudi-Iran, China wants to displace America. But won’t be ‘policeman of the world’
The Print India, 15 March 2023
Nic Robertson: China has shattered the assumption of US dominance in the Middle East
CNN, 15 March 2023
Meanwhile in the changing climate of international climate politics...
Aadil Brar: After Saudi-Iran, China wants to displace America. But won’t be ‘policeman of the world’
The Print India, 15 March 2023
Nic Robertson: China has shattered the assumption of US dominance in the Middle East
CNN, 15 March 2023
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