10y old killed by dog
Discussion
RB Will said:
Not saying it was the case with you, no idea what happened obviously, but it is quite possible it was just playing. Aggressive dogs don’t tend to just give a nip. It should really be trained out as a pup.
Dogs are biblically clumsy too so don’t always judge it right and can often do a bit of harm by accident
If it was in a park I might agree.Dogs are biblically clumsy too so don’t always judge it right and can often do a bit of harm by accident
This was an owners dog at a children's play event and there wasn't even an apology, nor did the owner do anything to remove the dog from the situation, etc. It wasn't on a leash.
I'm not anti-dog, despite my experiences, I'm anti-irresponsible owner.
RB Will said:
vaud said:
. My daughter was nipped by one in front of the owner who did nothing other than say "she's just playing"... despite drawing blood in the process)...
Not saying it was the case with you, no idea what happened obviously, but it is quite possible it was just playing. Aggressive dogs don’t tend to just give a nip. It should really be trained out as a pup.Dogs are biblically clumsy too so don’t always judge it right and can often do a bit of harm by accident
faa77 said:
Why allow a dangerous animal to be considered as a pet just because someone has money?
More usefully would be a dog licence (as, err, we used to have) and make it illegal to sell or give away a dog to anyone without a licence. No amount of money overcomes that. Failure to have a licence = lifetime ban.We lost a cat to somebody who deliberately lured the cat and then set their dog on him; the "owner" was teaching the dog to fight.
hiccy18 said:
I don't think death or life changing injuries should be the bar before action is taken, by then it's too late.
Agree with that. There is a local lad near me who has one of these bully XL dogs, see him getting dragged along by it. Incident (note I didn't say accident) waiting to happen. He looks the type and the dog, well, in the wrong hands or catch it on an off day etc. skwdenyer said:
More usefully would be a dog licence (as, err, we used to have) and make it illegal to sell or give away a dog to anyone without a licence. No amount of money overcomes that. Failure to have a licence = lifetime ban.
We lost a cat to somebody who deliberately lured the cat and then set their dog on him; the "owner" was teaching the dog to fight.
What does getting a dog licence prove? We lost a cat to somebody who deliberately lured the cat and then set their dog on him; the "owner" was teaching the dog to fight.
Do you have to take a test, or does the dog?
Will we have dog police to enforce it?
Comments from people who never had to apply for a Dog License I see
I think it was 37p in the Post Office and all you needed was an ID - I think I used my library card, I was 13. I understand that only about half of owners had one, because - you never needed to show it to anyone ever for anything. I think it cost more to administer than it made !
It was abolished, and the Dangerous Dogs act was introduced instead, banning certain breeds. I would argue based on the evidence that American Bully XLs should be added to that list.
No responsible dog owners want people hurt or scared of their dogs. I personally think owners are best placed to decide what measures their dogs need to prevent that, and that owners carry the consequences of failures to control their dogs.
rxe said:
skwdenyer said:
More usefully would be a dog licence (as, err, we used to have) and make it illegal to sell or give away a dog to anyone without a licence. No amount of money overcomes that. Failure to have a licence = lifetime ban.
We lost a cat to somebody who deliberately lured the cat and then set their dog on him; the "owner" was teaching the dog to fight.
What does getting a dog licence prove? We lost a cat to somebody who deliberately lured the cat and then set their dog on him; the "owner" was teaching the dog to fight.
Do you have to take a test, or does the dog?
Will we have dog police to enforce it?
I don't have to take a test for my shotgun license, for example...
Dog police? Why not? Have the cost of the license cover all the costs....
Scrimpton said:
Accident or not it would be getting a boot in the face. I delivered to a home earlier where a German Shepherd got out and charged down the garden at me really aggressively. Luckily for both of us it stopped about 6ft away. The owner just laughed. Council pricks.
Not that I'm defending inconsiderate (and dangerous) dog owners, but there's a difference between a dog naturally guarding/warning against an unknown on his territory, and actively attacking.German Shepherds will naturally "look aggressive", but they don't run off and attack people for no reason (usually...). It's the big terrier type dogs that have a disproportionate problem.
Edited by jan8p on Monday 18th July 09:10
Murph7355 said:
rxe said:
skwdenyer said:
More usefully would be a dog licence (as, err, we used to have) and make it illegal to sell or give away a dog to anyone without a licence. No amount of money overcomes that. Failure to have a licence = lifetime ban.
We lost a cat to somebody who deliberately lured the cat and then set their dog on him; the "owner" was teaching the dog to fight.
What does getting a dog licence prove? We lost a cat to somebody who deliberately lured the cat and then set their dog on him; the "owner" was teaching the dog to fight.
Do you have to take a test, or does the dog?
Will we have dog police to enforce it?
I don't have to take a test for my shotgun license, for example...
Dog police? Why not? Have the cost of the license cover all the costs....
I'm not sure what a dog tax would achieve.
Murph7355 said:
What does having any sort of license prove?
I don't have to take a test for my shotgun license, for example...
Dog police? Why not? Have the cost of the license cover all the costs....
Actually you did take a test for your shot gun license - that was the interview with the FEO and the response provided by your GP, as well as the check on the PNC. If you’d failed any of those, you wouldn’t have a ticket. I don't have to take a test for my shotgun license, for example...
Dog police? Why not? Have the cost of the license cover all the costs....
So what is the purpose of the proposed dog licence? Can anyone have one, or if you show up in a tracksuit are you deemed unsuitable?
As awful as such dog attacks are, surely we need to consider how rare they are in the country. I saw a comment earlier in this thread stating that one death was one too many... shall we apply the same logic to every death, including those caused by drivers? Or does that only apply to things that won't affect you personally?
Punishing the owners in the same way we would if the child was killed by their own hands is the only thing we can do. It won't stop every death because that is an unrealistic expectation, but it might make some stop and think about a) owning such breeds and b) leaving such breeds alone with children.
Punishing the owners in the same way we would if the child was killed by their own hands is the only thing we can do. It won't stop every death because that is an unrealistic expectation, but it might make some stop and think about a) owning such breeds and b) leaving such breeds alone with children.
Gargamel said:
Comments from people who never had to apply for a Dog License I see
I think it was 37p in the Post Office and all you needed was an ID - I think I used my library card, I was 13. I understand that only about half of owners had one, because - you never needed to show it to anyone ever for anything. I think it cost more to administer than it made !
It was abolished, and the Dangerous Dogs act was introduced instead, banning certain breeds. I would argue based on the evidence that American Bully XLs should be added to that list.
No responsible dog owners want people hurt or scared of their dogs. I personally think owners are best placed to decide what measures their dogs need to prevent that, and that owners carry the consequences of failures to control their dogs.
£0.37.5, or 7/6. Just a tax, no conditions to be met.I think it was 37p in the Post Office and all you needed was an ID - I think I used my library card, I was 13. I understand that only about half of owners had one, because - you never needed to show it to anyone ever for anything. I think it cost more to administer than it made !
It was abolished, and the Dangerous Dogs act was introduced instead, banning certain breeds. I would argue based on the evidence that American Bully XLs should be added to that list.
No responsible dog owners want people hurt or scared of their dogs. I personally think owners are best placed to decide what measures their dogs need to prevent that, and that owners carry the consequences of failures to control their dogs.
Ireland still requires a dog licence, e20 annually o2 e140 lifetime (of dog).
knitware said:
Are there any dog handlers on here? In the rare event where you're being bitten, or someone else, by a dog how do you take control and subdue the dog?
I’ve never had to get one off a person before but in saving my dog a couple of times a sturdy kick on the attacking dog has done the trick.Granted not tried it on anything bigger than a collie.
Not sure about a more humane way, though with it latched onto my dog at the time I didn’t particularly care about knowing one.
Didn’t do the attacking dogs and proper damage but gave them enough of a shock to give in and retreat
RB Will said:
knitware said:
Are there any dog handlers on here? In the rare event where you're being bitten, or someone else, by a dog how do you take control and subdue the dog?
I’ve never had to get one off a person before but in saving my dog a couple of times a sturdy kick on the attacking dog has done the trick.Granted not tried it on anything bigger than a collie.
Not sure about a more humane way, though with it latched onto my dog at the time I didn’t particularly care about knowing one.
Didn’t do the attacking dogs and proper damage but gave them enough of a shock to give in and retreat
The most serious dog bites are when the dog bites in and locks on and then shakes its head around. Jack Russells and other ratters do this and an efficient way to kill their prey. In big dogs like Bully's, Akita and Rotties, it obviously causes massive damage. This is why Pitbulls are banned, the hold on, and are trained/breed to hold on. The idea being that if they hold on to the large thing, the pack will all join in and bring it down.
If you have a dog, locked on and mauling, the best technique is to lift it rear paws off the ground and pull them apart. But its really not that easy to pull a muscle lump of 40kg dog.
https://moderndogmagazine.com/articles/how-break-d...
Edited by Gargamel on Monday 18th July 13:09
Gargamel said:
Well indeed its a really hard question to answer. A number of the most popular breeds of UK dogs are soft mouths, this includes retrievers, setters and Labradors. Effectively any of the gun/game dogs who naturally don't clamp on and rarely nip as they are breed to carry game gently. So whilst you might have to separate the dogs from fighting (unlikely) you won't have a situation where the dogs is mauling or locked on.
The most serious dog bites are when the dog bites in and locks on and then shakes its head around. Jack Russells and other ratters do this and an efficient way to kill their prey. In big dogs lick Bully's, Akita and Rotties, it obviously causes massive damage. This is why Pitbulls are banned, the hold on, and are trained/breed to hold on. The idea being that if they hold on to the large thing, the pack will all join in and bring it down.
If you have a dog, locked on and mauling, the best technique is to lift it rear paws off the ground and pull them apart. But its really not that easy to pull a muscle lump of 40kg dog.
https://moderndogmagazine.com/articles/how-break-d...
Christ. Wtf should lock-on dogs be allowed in public without muzzles? Yes poor dog etc but fThe most serious dog bites are when the dog bites in and locks on and then shakes its head around. Jack Russells and other ratters do this and an efficient way to kill their prey. In big dogs lick Bully's, Akita and Rotties, it obviously causes massive damage. This is why Pitbulls are banned, the hold on, and are trained/breed to hold on. The idea being that if they hold on to the large thing, the pack will all join in and bring it down.
If you have a dog, locked on and mauling, the best technique is to lift it rear paws off the ground and pull them apart. But its really not that easy to pull a muscle lump of 40kg dog.
https://moderndogmagazine.com/articles/how-break-d...
k that.As i said already there is a bully xl near me that in fairness is always on a lead, but every time i've seen it is straining at the lead and practically dragging the 10stone nothing baseball cap backwards little oik along with it.
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