CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 16)

[Scrump]

Continued from here:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[CAH706]

cases might be high in Europe, but they are seeing nowhere near death rate that they did before.

I'm struggling to see why Germany think the problem is a bad as they are making out to be honest.

[johnboy1975]

Who is due to return in this volume then? Fingers crossed for RSTurboPaul....

Answer is still yes, btw.

Could this the volume that the wider public catch on? Probably far too optimistic a note for a wet Friday morning......

[thewarlock]

GMT13 said:

Let's talk logic then. Covid is a disease of the elderly, infirm and obese.

https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-...

97,516 deaths in English hospitals since Covid began and only 135 were in the 20-39 age bracket and considered 'healthy' (although this does not account for obesity and I'd wager if the stats were available you'd see a significant proportion of that 135 were obese).

Covid does not kill healthy footballers, it hasn't happened. The vaccines that are approved for this age group however have known heart related side effects. Youre right that it certainly needs to be looked at and you're definitely showing your bias.

It hasn't happened, yet.

But as has been pointed out, a number of those people we're talking about, are not actually vaccinnated.

Lots of jumping to conclusions going on around here, because it suits a certain narrative.

[DE1975]

The BBC, and others, pushing the new variant evading vaccines narrative, conveniently glosses over the fact that the currently circulating variants also evade vaccines given the number of double jabbed catching the 'rona.

[johnboy1975]

thewarlock said:

It hasn't happened, yet.

But as has been pointed out, a number of those people we're talking about, are not actually vaccinnated.

Lots of jumping to conclusions going on around here, because it suits a certain narrative.

I still think Christian Ericsson was. Surprised we haven't heard from the horses mouth.

But let's have the data on those 108......were they vaccinated? Or not....?

Saying 1/3 of footballers are not vaccinated isn't proof that these 108 instances were unrelated to the vaccine....

[thewarlock]

johnboy1975 said:

I still think Christian Ericsson was. Surprised we haven't heard from the horses mouth.

But let's have the data on those 108......were they vaccinated? Or not....?

Saying 1/3 of footballers are not vaccinated isn't proof that these 108 instances were unrelated to the vaccine....

That's my point exactly.

There's a deadly disease going round, and pro footballers are falling ill, therefore it must be the vaccinne? Where's the proof?

Lots more research needed. Real research, not what seems to pass for it around these parts a lot of the time.

[g4ry13]

The final volume this time?

[SWoll]

thewarlock said:

johnboy1975 said:

I still think Christian Ericsson was. Surprised we haven't heard from the horses mouth.

But let's have the data on those 108......were they vaccinated? Or not....?

Saying 1/3 of footballers are not vaccinated isn't proof that these 108 instances were unrelated to the vaccine....

That's my point exactly.

There's a deadly disease going round, and pro footballers are falling ill, therefore it must be the vaccinne? Where's the proof?

Lots more research needed. Real research, not what seems to pass for it around these parts a lot of the time.

I'd say more transparency is what's really needed. Seen far too much "research" that suffers with the same issue of narrative that you are suggesting is the case here?

[Harry H]

g4ry13 said:

The final volume this time?

Not so sure on that. They're ramping up the scare tactics all over again. I fear we're very close to another Boris "alas"

[g4ry13]

Harry H said:

g4ry13 said:

The final volume this time?

Not so sure on that. They're ramping up the scare tactics all over again. I fear we're very close to another Boris "alas"

I wouldn't be surprised if we go beyond Vol 50.

[voyds9]

Harry H said:

g4ry13 said:

The final volume this time?

Not so sure on that. They're ramping up the scare tactics all over again. I fear we're very close to another Boris "alas"

Speaking to people 'on the street' they seem resigned to another lockdown, which will be ignored socially.

[CarCrazyDad]

g4ry13 said:

Harry H said:

g4ry13 said:

The final volume this time?

Not so sure on that. They're ramping up the scare tactics all over again. I fear we're very close to another Boris "alas"

I wouldn't be surprised if we go beyond Vol 50.

"Alas, it is onto Volume 69".

[Boringvolvodriver]

g4ry13 said:

I wouldn't be surprised if we go beyond Vol 50.

Especially if we have pages of long posts requoted or pages of arguments about use of the English language

[Darth Paul]

DE1975 said:

The BBC, and others, pushing the new variant evading vaccines narrative, conveniently glosses over the fact that the currently circulating variants also evade vaccines given the number of double jabbed catching the 'rona.

Exactly. If we were treating this as flu, they would’ve been working on a new vaccine to administer to the elderly/vulnerable based on latest variant in the hope they’ve found the right one for what will be dominant this winter. Instead we’ve got something that is 12 months out of date but we’ve got use up the stock pile before we’re allowed a new one

[BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo]

g4ry13 said:

The final volume this time?

I think we’ll have another five years worth of volumes with the way things are going.

[Boringvolvodriver]

Darth Paul said:

Exactly. If we were treating this as flu, they would’ve been working on a new vaccine to administer to the elderly/vulnerable based on latest variant in the hope they’ve found the right one for what will be dominant this winter. Instead we’ve got something that is 12 months out of date but we’ve got use up the stock pile before we’re allowed a new one

This is what I find strange. Wasn't the selling point of MrNA vaccine technology the ability to quickly change the vaccine for new variants?

So when a Nu one comes along that evades the vaccine, you change the mix to stop it _ didn't do that for Delta either _ not even boosters

Something does not add up to my mind

[johnboy1975]

Darth Paul said:

DE1975 said:

The BBC, and others, pushing the new variant evading vaccines narrative, conveniently glosses over the fact that the currently circulating variants also evade vaccines given the number of double jabbed catching the 'rona.

Exactly. If we were treating this as flu, they would’ve been working on a new vaccine to administer to the elderly/vulnerable based on latest variant in the hope they’ve found the right one for what will be dominant this winter. Instead we’ve got something that is 12 months out of date but we’ve got use up the stock pile before we’re allowed a new one

What's the production time? I find it hard to believe we are using 'old' stock from April. Apart from anything, in April there was a shortage.

So it's worse than you portray. We are using new stock, stubbornly formulated on the old virus (alpha, or even pre Alpha?). Because reasons......I thought they could knock out an update in weeks?

Edit. BVD makes essentially the same point

[untakenname]

Looks like the booster shots are working

https://mobile.twitter.com/PaulMainwood/status/146...

[Twinfan]

Boringvolvodriver said:

This is what I find strange. Wasn't the selling point of MrNA vaccine technology the ability to quickly change the vaccine for new variants?

So when a Nu one comes along that evades the vaccine, you change the mix to stop it _ didn't do that for Delta either _ not even boosters

Something does not add up to my mind

I suspect the issue maybe that any modifications would require clinical trials and approval from FDA/MHRA etc, especially as only FDA has granted full licencing approval for the Pfizer vaccine in the US. All other vaccines and teritories are using the vaccine under emergency use approval. They can't move faster than the virus can.