Ghislaine Maxwell trial

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Byker28i

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59,816 posts

217 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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I can't find the other thread, so shall we start a new one on the trail proceedings

Prosecutors claim that Maxwell procured girls, eespecially young ones for Epstein via the “ruse” of a massage, and charged under the Mann Act which is largely used only for trafficking offenses, where people are being forced into prostitution against their will. She also faces charges of sex trafficking and conspiring to commit sex trafficking.

Maxwells defence claims that she is being scapegoated because Epstein’s death led her accusers unable to seek justice. They have also won permission to call pyschologist Elizabeth Loftus, a false memory expert relied upon by Harvey Weinstein, Robert Durst, O.J. Simpson amongst others.

Prosecutors have four people as “Minor Victim” in the indictment, ranging from the ages of 14 to 17 at the time of the abuse. Three will be testifying under pseudonyms, and only one, Annie Farmer, has been named in court documents. The defence are claiming that two of the accuser Farmer and Minor Victim 3 reached the age of consent in the states they were allegedly abused.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-5945560...

tangerine_sedge

4,777 posts

218 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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Yes, I think this is worth a separate thread. I think this is going to be quite a 'dirty' trial with lots of victim blaming interspersed with revealing information about the social world in which she lived and operated.

Al Gorithum

3,715 posts

208 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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Heard on the radio this morning that she's playing the victim of greedy prosecution lawyers. Are prosecution lawyers motivated by money? Seems like an odd angle to me. Can understand it if it's a civil claim.

Vizsla

923 posts

124 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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I'm sure she'll get the best justice that money can buy.

Having said that, I think her team will have an uphill battle, many Americans will not warm to a posh, spoilt, entitled, social parasite Brit.

Jim the Sunderer

3,239 posts

182 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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Vizsla said:
I'm sure she'll get the best justice that money can buy.

Having said that, I think her team will have an uphill battle, many Americans will not warm to a posh, spoilt, entitled, social parasite Brit.
And those are her best traits.

Murph7355

37,715 posts

256 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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Vizsla said:
I'm sure she'll get the best justice that money can buy.

Having said that, I think her team will have an uphill battle, many Americans will not warm to a posh, spoilt, entitled, social parasite Brit.
I'm not sure many Brits would.

toohuge

3,434 posts

216 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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tangerine_sedge said:
Yes, I think this is worth a separate thread. I think this is going to be quite a 'dirty' trial with lots of victim blaming interspersed with revealing information about the social world in which she lived and operated.
I agree with you completely... we'll see how it transpires.

We know by now, we'll never hear the real 'truth', however, given the lifestyle that she led, so much of it will sound barely believable to many - that wont help.

Digga

40,320 posts

283 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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Murph7355 said:
Vizsla said:
I'm sure she'll get the best justice that money can buy.

Having said that, I think her team will have an uphill battle, many Americans will not warm to a posh, spoilt, entitled, social parasite Brit.
I'm not sure many Brits would.
No. even the initial prosecution details look damning and disgusting in equal measure. The vulnerability of many of the victims really does look to suggest a very deliberate and targeted campaign.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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Innocent until proven guilty, chaps. hehe

Byker28i

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59,816 posts

217 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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toohuge said:
tangerine_sedge said:
Yes, I think this is worth a separate thread. I think this is going to be quite a 'dirty' trial with lots of victim blaming interspersed with revealing information about the social world in which she lived and operated.
I agree with you completely... we'll see how it transpires.

We know by now, we'll never hear the real 'truth', however, given the lifestyle that she led, so much of it will sound barely believable to many - that wont help.
The question is what happened to all the blackmail material, recordings etc that Epstein had, when his properties were raided. Was he given enough time to dispose, move them? They wouldn't have been destroyed, far too useful. I wonder if Maxwell knows, or were they found and seized by law enforcement.

Jasandjules

69,890 posts

229 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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Looking forward to the list of those she supplied......

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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Jasandjules said:
Looking forward to the list of those she supplied......
Won't happen. She will be dead by 9am tomorrow (NYC time). Suicide, she will have chopped both her hands off, flushed them down the toilet, and then shot herself in the head.

ChocolateFrog

25,343 posts

173 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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A guilty verdict seems unlikely.

Digga

40,320 posts

283 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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OpulentBob said:
Jasandjules said:
Looking forward to the list of those she supplied......
Won't happen. She will be dead by 9am tomorrow (NYC time). Suicide, she will have chopped both her hands off, flushed them down the toilet, and then shot herself in the head.
With her shoe.

Obviously.

Gecko1978

9,710 posts

157 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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ChocolateFrog said:
A guilty verdict seems unlikely.
I think this, too many big names will be involved and there will only be circumstancial evidence which her defence will pull apart

rdjohn

6,180 posts

195 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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"The charges against Ghislaine Maxwell are for things that Jeffrey Epstein did, but she is not Jeffrey Epstein," her lawyer Bobbi Sternheim argued.

I would struggle to believe that she was not a co-conspirator to Epstein’s bidding. I presume that she would need to successfully claim that she was also being controlled by him.

There seems to be a number of parallel’s with the Stephen Ward trial in the Profumo affair, where “good-time girls” were routinely set up to compromise targets (e.g. Prince Andrew). The key difference is the age of the girls,

It will be an interesting trial.

mick987

1,255 posts

110 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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She has the dirt on to many powerful people for a guilty verdict, either not guilty or suicide by shooting herself in the back of the head 6 times

Beati Dogu

8,891 posts

139 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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Meanwhile, the Jussie Smollett trial has also started, three years after the event, and a new BS covid variant is launched.

anonymous-user

54 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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Her biggest issue will probably be her own attitude and demeanour.

Apparently her lawyers are very worried about what the jury will think of her. They assembled numerous 'test juries' using people from the same geographical areas that the real jury will be selected from, and played them videos of Maxwell recorded during legal proceedings and meetings so far, then asked for their opinion.

The test juries overwhelmingly said they found Maxwell to be "Wholly unlikeable, very arrogant, suspicious and lacking credibility"


Biggy Stardust

6,877 posts

44 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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Jasandjules said:
Looking forward to the list of those she supplied......
Allegedly.

Something about innocence until proven guilty?