Ghislaine Maxwell trial

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Panamax

4,039 posts

34 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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Lord Marylebone said:
Apparently her lawyers are very worried about what the jury will think of her. They assembled numerous 'test juries' using people from the same geographical areas that the real jury will be selected from, and played them videos of Maxwell recorded during legal proceedings and meetings so far, then asked for their opinion.

The test juries overwhelmingly said they found Maxwell to be "Wholly unlikeable, very arrogant, suspicious and lacking credibility"
Where's the evidence to back that up? Sounds like tabloid tittle-tattle to me. If it was true the LAST thing the defence lawyers would have done is release the information publicly!

Ouroboros

2,371 posts

39 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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Petrus1983 said:
I’m not sure how it will end up -
Suicided

austinsmirk

5,597 posts

123 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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Look at giuffre though. If she had been coerced, trapped raped, that’s horrific. Yet it’s multiple times, multiple places, New York, London, is Virgin Islands , over a long time line. I question her not being able to escape after the first alleged time.

Professionally I’ve dealt with victims of Asian grooming gangs. That’s a whole another ball game when you’ve dirt poor kids from horrific backgrounds and the only time ever, someone shows them money and possibly a better life, is the rapist of them. They had no life, no prospect of escape from the horror and tragedy of their lives.

Right / wrong I still question how after the first incident, no break was made.

CoolHands

18,637 posts

195 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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If she was in the uk she wouldn’t have been on remand and would also never see the inside of a jail cell even if found guilty of some minor offence. I love the fact that up till now she’s been in jail over there. I think she will be found not guilty so the fact she’s had to serve 18 months regardless, is fantastic news as it’s probably the closest to justice she will get.

tangerine_sedge

4,777 posts

218 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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austinsmirk said:
Look at giuffre though. If she had been coerced, trapped raped, that’s horrific. Yet it’s multiple times, multiple places, New York, London, is Virgin Islands , over a long time line. I question her not being able to escape after the first alleged time.

Professionally I’ve dealt with victims of Asian grooming gangs. That’s a whole another ball game when you’ve dirt poor kids from horrific backgrounds and the only time ever, someone shows them money and possibly a better life, is the rapist of them. They had no life, no prospect of escape from the horror and tragedy of their lives.

Right / wrong I still question how after the first incident, no break was made.
It's not unusual for damaged people to stay in abusive relationships. How many times do we hear stories of women staying with abusive husbands/partners for years and years before finally escaping?

Kessler

212 posts

212 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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No much coverage of this trial compared to Rittenhouse.
Guess the media is struggling to come up with a racist angle.

paulguitar

23,431 posts

113 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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Kessler said:
No much coverage of this trial compared to Rittenhouse.
Guess the media is struggling to come up with a racist angle.
Two totally different situations. If it gets juicy, they will be all over it. Nothing to do with race.

coppernorks

1,919 posts

46 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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Kessler said:
No much coverage of this trial compared to Rittenhouse.
Guess the media is struggling to come up with a racist angle.
I thought Court TV might get access, but if the big Judge says it's not in the interests of justice to
have the proceedings televised then that's it.

Procuring young girls for rich clients has been going on since God was a lad and hardly the crime of the century,
no one died, well apart from one, by his own hand.

Cant help but think they're just gunning for Maxwell cos she's a rich, privileged female, Eastern European gangs
kidnap and transport sex workers all over the world, who's looking out for those young girls ?


Jasandjules

69,895 posts

229 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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Kessler said:
No much coverage of this trial compared to Rittenhouse.
Guess the media is struggling to come up with a racist angle.
I wonder if the owners of the media are concerned about what may come out?

billshoreham

358 posts

125 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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coppernorks said:


Procuring young girls for rich clients has been going on since God was a lad and hardly the crime of the century,
no one died, well apart from one, by his own hand.


I find it hard to believe that you wrote that.

deckster

9,630 posts

255 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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coppernorks said:
Procuring young girls for rich clients has been going on since God was a lad and hardly the crime of the century,
Thankfully, most of us no longer live in 13th century and providing children for wealthy people to rape is frowned upon in most parts of the world these days.

ChevronB19

5,783 posts

163 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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Someone in my local Facebook group claiming the omicron variant has been made up specifically to divert attention from the trial.

Now that’s expert level tinfoil!

paulguitar

23,431 posts

113 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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ChevronB19 said:
Someone in my local Facebook group claiming the omicron variant has been made up specifically to divert attention from the trial.

Now that’s expert level tinfoil!
He's posting here as well:

Beati Dogu said:
Meanwhile, the Jussie Smollett trial has also started, three years after the event, and a new BS covid variant is launched.

LazyMechanic

493 posts

31 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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Quite a lot coming out already.


This seems to be updating the news pretty well....


https://twitter.com/TrackerTrial


Hilts

4,391 posts

282 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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Ridgemont said:
WCZ said:
ChocolateFrog said:
A guilty verdict seems unlikely.
100%
Not so sure. Federal trials have an astonishingly low acquittal rate. Mark Steyn noted on GBN last night that if the Chinese system had similar stats we would suggest that something is very rotten...

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/11/o...
The federal govt. don't seem to bring anything to trial unless they have pretty much a slam dunk case. Most defendants take a deal if offered.

I'd be surprised if this is a not guilty for Maxwell. If she does go to prison it will be way better than the MDC. Every cloud and that.

ChevronB19

5,783 posts

163 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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coppernorks said:
Procuring young girls for rich clients has been going on since God was a lad and hardly the crime of the century

What an utterly appalling thing to say.

ChevronB19

5,783 posts

163 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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tangerine_sedge said:
austinsmirk said:
Look at giuffre though. If she had been coerced, trapped raped, that’s horrific. Yet it’s multiple times, multiple places, New York, London, is Virgin Islands , over a long time line. I question her not being able to escape after the first alleged time.

Professionally I’ve dealt with victims of Asian grooming gangs. That’s a whole another ball game when you’ve dirt poor kids from horrific backgrounds and the only time ever, someone shows them money and possibly a better life, is the rapist of them. They had no life, no prospect of escape from the horror and tragedy of their lives.

Right / wrong I still question how after the first incident, no break was made.
It's not unusual for damaged people to stay in abusive relationships. How many times do we hear stories of women staying with abusive husbands/partners for years and years before finally escaping?
This.

InformationSuperHighway

6,018 posts

184 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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MrBogSmith said:
Beati Dogu said:
Meanwhile, the Jussie Smollett trial has also started, three years after the event, and a new BS covid variant is launched.
What's the relevance to this trial?

austinsmirk said:
I bet there’s some very powerful people worrying about what will be disclosed or equally being asked to step in and make the trial cease/ return a not guilty plea.

If there really was a black book, boxes of cctv tapes etc….

Although I’ve said it before: I still don’t get where/ why the parents of these 16/17 yr olds thought they were/ what they were doing etc.

“I’m just packing a bag to go work for a billionaire to be picked up in a limo and then jetted off on a private plane to an island. “

“Brilliant, what’s yr job”

“ personal massage, baby oil squirter and fluffer”

“ no worries love: give us three rings when you get there to tell us you’re ok”.
Perhaps they had terrible parents which left them vulnerable, which is often the case when children are exploited.
Spot on, in general (maybe or maybe not in this case) These girls are groomed from broken homes / bad situations.

austinsmirk

5,597 posts

123 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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ChevronB19 said:
tangerine_sedge said:
austinsmirk said:
Look at giuffre though. If she had been coerced, trapped raped, that’s horrific. Yet it’s multiple times, multiple places, New York, London, is Virgin Islands , over a long time line. I question her not being able to escape after the first alleged time.

Professionally I’ve dealt with victims of Asian grooming gangs. That’s a whole another ball game when you’ve dirt poor kids from horrific backgrounds and the only time ever, someone shows them money and possibly a better life, is the rapist of them. They had no life, no prospect of escape from the horror and tragedy of their lives.

Right / wrong I still question how after the first incident, no break was made.
It's not unusual for damaged people to stay in abusive relationships. How many times do we hear stories of women staying with abusive husbands/partners for years and years before finally escaping?
This.
Completely true. 30 some times I believe before the break truly happens. Harder for those older, in relationships with children and financially dependent on the abuser. I used to run a service to aid mainly Pakistani women from such situations: brought into the Uk on arranged marriages, never learn English, never let out of the house, no circle of friends, family shame etc. Horrific.



foxbody-87

2,675 posts

166 months

Tuesday 30th November 2021
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coppernorks said:
Procuring young girls for rich clients has been going on since God was a lad and hardly the crime of the century
Lolwut