Ghislaine Maxwell trial

[Byker28i]

105.4 said:

ReallyReallyGood said:

Pardon me for being ignorant; what is the implication of being named on this list, that they in all likelihood banged children? Or is it less cut and dry than that.

Well, that all depends on what side of the political aisle those names fall under.

Anyone considered to be a libertarian, centrist or right of centre is, of course, a full-on, child raping pedo who eats newborn babies, even if their plane had to make an emergency landing near the island years before Epstein even bought the place.

For others such as Bill Clinton or Joe Biden, irrespective of the strength of any and all evidence, even the merest suggestion that they were in anyway involved or ever frequented one of Epstein’s bunga-bunga parties, will be nothing more than Russian disinformation and far-right conspiracy theories perpetrated by MAGA extremists and dangerous Christian fundamentalists, who have links to white supremacist neo-Nazis, anti vaxes, climate change deniers and flat-earthers.

But of course you have no bias.

Remember what were the false pizzagate allegations, pushed around about the Dems, the false Seth Rich allegations?
Remember that GOP Representative Tim Burchett said the flight logs wouldn't be released because colleagues would be compromised?
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/dec/23/r...

Basically Epstein had a list of those he used, or thought he could use to make money, assert influence.

Not only did that include people at his parties (like trump, Prince Andrew), or those he set up model agencies with, or pushed models trumps way,
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01/jeffrey-ep...
but also those he gave flights to on his plane, a common way to offer favours as planes are a regularly used method of transport around the US. Even a couple of magamob capitol rioters flew in to take part in private planes.

So it'll be a list of those associated with Epstein, who took favours, who Epstein thought he could use to make shadey money, and those identified as John and Jane Doe in court documents

Now the real interest would be in what happened to the safe full of blackmail material that disappeared. Pretty sure Maxwell doesn't have it or she wouldn't be in jail.

And we know some of the names already Doe36 is Clinton, claims he dropped Epstein in 2006 after the initial allegations and charges came out. Some are victims and witnesses, some have already been named like Woody Allen, Bill Gates, Thorbjørn Jagland, a former Norwegian prime minister, former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak and former Barclays chairman Jes Staley.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-documents-naming-j...

Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 2nd January 06:31

[105.4]

Byker28i said:

But of course you have no bias.

Remember what were the false pizzagate allegations, pushed around about the Dems, the false Seth Rich allegations?
Remember that GOP Representative Tim Burchett said the flight logs wouldn't be released because colleagues would be compromised?
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/dec/23/r...

Basically Epstein had a list of those he used, or thought he could use to make money, assert influence.

Not only did that include people at his parties (like trump, Prince Andrew), or those he set up model agencies with, or pushed models trumps way,
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01/jeffrey-ep...
but also those he gave flights to on his plane, a common way to offer favours as planes are a regularly used method of transport around the US. Even a couple of magamob capitol rioters flew in to take part in private planes.

So it'll be a list of those associated with Epstein, who took favours, who Epstein thought he could use to make shadey money, and those identified as John and Jane Doe in court documents

Now the real interest would be in what happened to the safe full of blackmail material that disappeared. Pretty sure Maxwell doesn't have it or she wouldn't be in jail.

And we know some of the names already Doe36 is Clinton, claims he dropped Epstein in 2006 after the initial allegations and charges came out. Some are victims and witnesses, some have already been named like Woody Allen, Bill Gates, Thorbjørn Jagland, a former Norwegian prime minister, former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak and former Barclays chairman Jes Staley.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-documents-naming-j...

Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 2nd January 06:31

As suspected, you just can’t help yourself

I’m actually impressed. It took you far less time than expected to reply and go on the defensive for you idols, but nonetheless, proving my above made point for me perfectly.

Trumps name is one I rarely hear mentioned in regards to this Epstein saga, but yet in almost your first breath, you’re using Vanity Fair, that bastion of accurate political reporting, as your evidence, whilst swiftly and enthusiastically sweeping under the carpet one of the most prominent names I hear most commonly associated with Epstein, (the Clintons).

Honestly Byker, you’re so transparent it’s easy to read you like a book and predict your responses with as much accuracy as whether the sun will rise in the morning. I do notice how you’ve changed your stance on MAGA insurrectionists to MAGA ‘rioters’ now that the narrative on that particular story seems to be crumbling away.


Will we ever get to know the full story as to what went on and with whom? Almost certainly not. There’s far too many powerful people involved, regardless of their political affiliations, for the outcome of all of this to be anything other than a whitewash.

[Voldemort]

105.4 said:

...

Trumps name is one I rarely hear mentioned in regards to this Epstein saga, ...

etc.

[grumbledoak]

ReallyReallyGood said:

Pardon me for being ignorant; what is the implication of being named on this list, that they in all likelihood banged children? Or is it less cut and dry than that.

You can't draw any conclusions from someone being on the plane. Though there will be no end of nasty insinuation.

Actually flying to "Rape Island" is probably a safer starting point for conjecture.

[Byker28i]

105.4 said:

As suspected, you just can’t help yourself

I’m actually impressed. It took you far less time than expected to reply and go on the defensive for you idols, but nonetheless, proving my above made point for me perfectly.

Trumps name is one I rarely hear mentioned in regards to this Epstein saga, but yet in almost your first breath, you’re using Vanity Fair, that bastion of accurate political reporting, as your evidence, whilst swiftly and enthusiastically sweeping under the carpet one of the most prominent names I hear most commonly associated with Epstein, (the Clintons).

Honestly Byker, you’re so transparent it’s easy to read you like a book and predict your responses with as much accuracy as whether the sun will rise in the morning. I do notice how you’ve changed your stance on MAGA insurrectionists to MAGA ‘rioters’ now that the narrative on that particular story seems to be crumbling away.


Will we ever get to know the full story as to what went on and with whom? Almost certainly not. There’s far too many powerful people involved, regardless of their political affiliations, for the outcome of all of this to be anything other than a whitewash.

Triggered much? Just because I mentioned trump?

Yet weirdly you were claiming all right wing people were innocent and all left wing would be excused, as I said exposing your bias.
Again you missed all the other details in my post you were frothing so much. P.S. theres only one possible potus candidate in 2024 thats associated with Epstein

For those without a rabid right wing aganda such as you, there's 177 names in the list, of Epstein associates. As said it's a list of those previously redacted in court docs, witnesses, victims and those other associates. It's not a list of his 'clients'
As listed in the ABC report I posted, Clinton is mentioned 50 times in those court docs, along with others.

Since you didn't read it
https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-documents-naming-j...


We've also had the flight logs released...

Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 2nd January 09:46

[Byker28i]

grumbledoak said:

ReallyReallyGood said:

Pardon me for being ignorant; what is the implication of being named on this list, that they in all likelihood banged children? Or is it less cut and dry than that.

You can't draw any conclusions from someone being on the plane. Though there will be no end of nasty insinuation.

Actually flying to "Rape Island" is probably a safer starting point for conjecture.

Epstiens Manhatten home isn't documented, yet multiple allegations have come frpm parties at this property, including the Andrew allegations

[tangerine_sedge]

We know that Clinton is happy to have extra-marital, and we also know that Trump is a rapist and likes them young. Did either partake - without 'real' evidence we can't know. We can guess and infer lots of things, and it's likely that many people on that list will have just been schmoozing around Epstein with no sexual impropriety at all (who would turn down a weekend party trip to Paris on a private plane?).

This is a Schrodingers list; people named on it are both nonces and innocent at the same time.

[Byker28i]

Voldemort said:

105.4 said:

...

Trumps name is one I rarely hear mentioned in regards to this Epstein saga, ...

etc.

105 likes to put his head in the sand in ignoring anything his cult leader does wrong.

trumps bromance with Epstein
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/01/jeffrey-ep...

How epstein and Maxwell introduced trump to young girls
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jeffrey-epste...

The court case how trump raped a 13 yrear old and took her virginity which Epstein wanted
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-26b6-dda3-...

Claims that trump traveled several times on Epsteins plane, but we knew that from the logs
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1623067512916...
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/artic...

"I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy," Trump told New York magazine in 2002. "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."

Epstein owned the property next door to magalago, which is where the mother of a 14 year old girl reported him to the police after shed earned $300 for massaging him

Washington Post interview with Sam Nunberg, a former Trump aide. "Bottom line," he said, "Donald would hang out with Epstein because he was rich." How they partied together
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/donald-tru...

Many of those photos above were taken at magalago parties. Epstein even claimed he introduced trump to Melania. She said trump asked for her number when his then date went to the bathroom at a fashion show.

trump fell out with Epstein over the pair trying to buy Maison de l’Amitie, another beachfront property. He didn't like that Epstein was trying to buy it and both sides tried claiming neither had the money... trump won the bid, but thought Epstein pushed the money too high. He paid just under £41.5m, and later sold it to Russian businessman Dmitry Rybolovlev for $95m, some claimed astute business, others claimed russian money laundering and propping up trump

I could keep going, but it's hardly "Trumps name is one I rarely hear mentioned in regards to this Epstein saga, ." as the trumpette claimed... Plenty of evidence, photos, history between the two in the past

Edited by Byker28i on Tuesday 2nd January 10:05

[Digga]

tangerine_sedge said:

We know that Clinton is happy to have extra-marital, and we also know that Trump is a rapist and likes them young. Did either partake - without 'real' evidence we can't know. We can guess and infer lots of things, and it's likely that many people on that list will have just been schmoozing around Epstein with no sexual impropriety at all (who would turn down a weekend party trip to Paris on a private plane?).

This is a Schrodingers list; people named on it are both nonces and innocent at the same time.

They are all scuzzy by associateion though. You pick your friends.

Everyone knew about Jimmy Saville...

[tangerine_sedge]

Digga said:

tangerine_sedge said:

We know that Clinton is happy to have extra-marital, and we also know that Trump is a rapist and likes them young. Did either partake - without 'real' evidence we can't know. We can guess and infer lots of things, and it's likely that many people on that list will have just been schmoozing around Epstein with no sexual impropriety at all (who would turn down a weekend party trip to Paris on a private plane?).

This is a Schrodingers list; people named on it are both nonces and innocent at the same time.

They are all scuzzy by associateion though. You pick your friends.

Everyone knew about Jimmy Saville...

Often only with hindsight. I never liked Jimmy Saville, but like most of the general public was shocked by the things that came out after his death (that apparently everyone knew about). It's possible that many people only ever saw the charity side and never saw or had an inkling the other stuff. They could have attended charity events, had meetings, and met him socially, but never knew what he was capable of.

I can imagine that many people on that list were happy to attend glitzy parties and take freebies, but now will be tarred with the same brush as Prince Andrew, Bill C and Trump.

[Byker28i]

That list also includes victims, witnesses... There's a lot of suggestions and whispers of guilt being implied, but it's not all that, it's a list of those names redacted in the court docs

[Killboy]

Anyone notice a fair bit of difference between the way certain news outlets have handled Little Saint James and Commet?

[boyse7en]

Digga said:

tangerine_sedge said:

We know that Clinton is happy to have extra-marital, and we also know that Trump is a rapist and likes them young. Did either partake - without 'real' evidence we can't know. We can guess and infer lots of things, and it's likely that many people on that list will have just been schmoozing around Epstein with no sexual impropriety at all (who would turn down a weekend party trip to Paris on a private plane?).

This is a Schrodingers list; people named on it are both nonces and innocent at the same time.

They are all scuzzy by associateion though. You pick your friends.

Everyone knew about Jimmy Saville...

Are you suggesting that everyone who met Saville at some sort of social event was equally guilty of sexual crimes? That seems a leap

[Killboy]

boyse7en said:

Are you suggesting that everyone who met Saville at some sort of social event was equally guilty of sexual crimes? That seems a leap

I'd be very weary of anyone that went to Saville Island for an extended stay.

[paulguitar]

Killboy said:

I'd be very weary of anyone that went to Saville Island for an extended stay.

Tiring place to be.

[mikef]

By now I think everyone knows Epstein's MO

1. Mark HNW men as potential targets
2. Schmooze them with travel etc
3. Introduce them to totty, some allegedly underaged
4. Photograph and/or film them
5. Blackmail them into investing with his company (or to introducing more marks)

We're speculating on how far Epstein and Maxwell were able to compromise named individuals (at this stage without evidence, at best we have in some individuals' cases a pattern of misbehaviour which is not in itself conclusive)

[Digga]

Killboy said:

boyse7en said:

Are you suggesting that everyone who met Saville at some sort of social event was equally guilty of sexual crimes? That seems a leap

I'd be very weary of anyone that went to Saville Island for an extended stay.

There's clear distinction between those with money, power and influence - let's call them the should have known better - and those facilitiating the 'introductions', as opposed to those who were merely there to be exploited.

[JagLover]

Iamnotkloot said:

Gecko1978 said:

Please please please let Rishi and Kier be on the list

No chance.

Now, if you'd said Boris on the other hand........

It won't be Rishi or Kier as wrong timeframe and, probably, wrong type.

Of recent UK party leaders either Bojo the clown or Blair IMO.

[Hilts]

bristolracer said:

With a bit of luck the prisons top dog will take a fancy to her. Might make her understand what abuse is about

Only if this top dog was an abuse counsellor before she went to prison and gives her some help.

Maxwell is not going to get sexually abused in a low security federal joint.

Hilts said:

Scrump said:

20 years!

Makes a release date of 2037.

She will get 2 years time served and 3 years 'good time' discount if she doesn't break the rules.

She's in a nice, cushy facility in Florida.

[Byker28i]

mikef said:

By now I think everyone knows Epstein's MO

1. Mark HNW men as potential targets
2. Schmooze them with travel etc
3. Introduce them to totty, some allegedly underaged
4. Photograph and/or film them
5. Blackmail them into investing with his company (or to introducing more marks)

We're speculating on how far Epstein and Maxwell were able to compromise named individuals (at this stage without evidence, at best we have in some individuals' cases a pattern of misbehaviour which is not in itself conclusive)

The contents of Epsteins safe were left when the FBI raided, all photographed but apparently the warrent would allow them to be taken, and then disappeared when they went back for it. No one knows where. Handy...
https://nypost.com/2021/12/07/take-a-look-inside-j...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2021/12/07/...
https://www.insider.com/fbi-used-saw-open-jeffrey-...


and again - the list of 77 names are those redacted in court docs, that includes victims names as well.