CV19 - Cure worse than the disease? (Vol 17)

[Roderick Spode]

SWoll said:

bodhi said:

JagLover said:

It was always rather hysterical and contrived (cake gate). I would fully agree that Downing street staff shouldn't be having garden parties while they ban everyone else from outdoor gatherings, but wall to wall news coverage of someone being presented with a cake at work on their birthday?, pathetic.

Just shows difference in reporting depending on the moment. June 2020 "a brief break for birthday celebrations before getting on with the work needed" . Jan 2022 "Boris eats cake and laughs at dying grannies"

Edited by JagLover on Friday 28th January 12:47

Must admit I am so over finding out Number 10 might have had a drink or two to unwind - in the grand scheme of things I'm not sure if I'm too bothered that a load of people who had been in the same office for 16 hours a day working on the pandemic response decided to move into the garden afterwards - especially given what I've read about the Public Health Act of 1984 not applying to Number 10 so they could continue with any public health response.

Seems more of a hit job based on the events of 2016 rather than anything that's happened over the last 18 months to me.

This. Absolutely laughable. Is he a lying clown that could easily be argued is unfit for office? Quite probably. Are we better off with him in position than with pretty much any of the possible alternatives people are suggesting? 100%

Be careful what you wish for in my view.

This. The idea of Rabid Jabbit ascending to the highest office in the land fills me with dread. If you think Bozza has been bad, just wait until Jabbit goes all Ardern/Trudeau on us. In some ways I think Bozza has been a moderating influence on the crazier operators in the background of the cabinet, who would have implemented more Draconian restrictions as per Sturgeon and Dripfud. Time for Bozza to show his mettle (if he has any), rein in the devolved parish councils, and drop all restrictions with immediate effect. It's more than past time we learned to live with this virus - if it ever was about a virus...

[Dastardly Dick]

mondeoman said:

st, my 20yo son knows who he is - do you live behind a settee or something?

For at least two years .....

[Rufus Stone]

stitched said:

From the JVCI statement, again.
Government advisers are currently reviewing evidence on the risk of COVID-19 in children and young people considered clinically extremely vulnerable. Once this review has reported, the finding will be considered by JCVI and will inform further guidance.
Which would seem to indicate waiting to be told what to say.

I disagree.

[cliffe_mafia]

nick30 said:

superlightr said:

Vanden Saab said:

Cases will go up, a lot, at the moment once you had a positive test that was it, you were done. Now if you catch it again you will be counted again. If 50% of people are now catching it for the second time that is a 50% increase in cases. On the positive side the IFR and CFR along with the hospitalization rates will plummet.

yep the govt will already know the results of the recording changes they want to make - but what is the spin/narritive they want to push?

Cases up? - govt want more scared people and thus more powers?

or as Vandan Saab said

CFR down - back slapping time, with the narrative that we are not at the end of the war but at the beginning of the end of the covid war or some such spin Borris wants to put out to get his popularity up and try to wind back the fear and get back to more normal.

I hope its the 2nd

Edited by superlightr on Friday 28th January 13:46

As it’s everywhere now people need to stop testing pointlessly and yes hopefully Boris can turn this around because I don’t fancy a dictatorship thanks

Easier said than done though - my 6 year old has had an "outbreak" in his class so all of the class have to LTF for a week "to keep the class open". This is the second time this year. One of the kids forgot his last time and the teachers made him do one.

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Rufus Stone said:

stitched said:

From the JVCI statement, again.
Government advisers are currently reviewing evidence on the risk of COVID-19 in children and young people considered clinically extremely vulnerable. Once this review has reported, the finding will be considered by JCVI and will inform further guidance.
Which would seem to indicate waiting to be told what to say.

I disagree.

Advisers employed by the government, therefore the government, no?
Are currently reviewing evidence on the risk to children, Is that not exactly what the JVCI should be doing?
Once these faceless advisors have told us what to say then we will respond, by saying what we are told to.
Semantically that statement could not really be clearer.

[Rufus Stone]

stitched said:

Advisers employed by the government, therefore the government, no?
Are currently reviewing evidence on the risk to children, Is that not exactly what the JVCI should be doing?
Once these faceless advisors have told us what to say then we will respond, by saying what we are told to.
Semantically that statement could not really be clearer.

Only if you view it with a particular bias.

[stitched]

Rufus Stone said:

stitched said:

Advisers employed by the government, therefore the government, no?
Are currently reviewing evidence on the risk to children, Is that not exactly what the JVCI should be doing?
Once these faceless advisors have told us what to say then we will respond, by saying what we are told to.
Semantically that statement could not really be clearer.

Only if you view it with a particular bias.

OK I'll engage, what is the purpose of the JVCI?
Who are these government advisors?
Where is the accountability for the advice, read orders, given to the JVCI?

[R Mutt]

Just reading of Sweden deciding jab risks outweigh the benefits in 11-15 year olds just as we did before ignoring the science and I still can't get my head round why people would be OK with that when you break it down.

If you think there's a substantial benefit, e.g in stopping these kids from getting 'long COVID' (as is usually the claimed angle from the 'won't somebody think if the children' types) or of them killing granny, despite the jab not stopping either of these scenarios, then you accept there's an even greater risk. And if you decide the risk is low, then what is the benefit?

[CarCrazyDad]

R Mutt said:

Just reading of Sweden deciding jab risks outweigh the benefits in 11-15 year olds just as we did before ignoring the science and I still can't get my head round why people would be OK with that when you break it down.

If you think there's a substantial benefit, e.g in stopping these kids from getting 'long COVID' (as is usually the claimed angle from the 'won't somebody think if the children' types) or of them killing granny, despite the jab not stopping either of these scenarios, then you accept there's an even greater risk. And if you decide the risk is low, then what is the benefit?

I hate to say it but I reckon most people who have their kids vaccinated did so not on the actual risk of Covid (because there is virtually no risk) but to allow them to go on Holiday still.

Seen it a couple of times on Facebook

[Rufus Stone]

stitched said:

OK I'll engage, what is the purpose of the JVCI?
Who are these government advisors?
Where is the accountability for the advice, read orders, given to the JVCI?

Google is your friend.

https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/joint-committ...

JCVI advice and recommendations
12. JCVI provides advice and recommendations as described in the terms of reference
(see earlier) based on consideration of scientific and other evidence (see later) that is
used by Government to inform, develop and make policy. JCVI is not a policy maker in
its own right and has no regulatory function.


Wiki describes them as independent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Committee_on_V...

Edited by Rufus Stone on Friday 28th January 14:51

[stitched]

Rufus Stone said:

stitched said:

OK I'll engage, what is the purpose of the JVCI?
Who are these government advisors?
Where is the accountability for the advice, read orders, given to the JVCI?

Google is your friend.

https://www.gov.uk/government/groups/joint-committ...

JCVI advice and recommendations
12. JCVI provides advice and recommendations as described in the terms of reference
(see earlier) based on consideration of scientific and other evidence (see later) that is
used by Government to inform, develop and make policy. JCVI is not a policy maker in
its own right and has no regulatory function.


Wiki describes them as independent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Committee_on_V...

Edited by Rufus Stone on Friday 28th January 14:51

It is indeed, independent body waiting to be told what to say.
And you continue to state they are not a government mouthpiece disguised as an independent body?
Curious.

[carinaman]

CarCrazyDad said:

I hate to say it but I reckon most people who have their kids vaccinated did so not on the actual risk of Covid (because there is virtually no risk) but to allow them to go on Holiday still.

Seen it a couple of times on Facebook

Yep, get jabbed to get your freedoms back. What else are people going to do to get their freedoms back?

[Rufus Stone]

stitched said:

It is indeed, independent body waiting to be told what to say.
And you continue to state they are not a government mouthpiece disguised as an independent body?
Curious.

And yet they didn't recommend vaccinating 12-15 year olds. Pretty crappy mouthpiece wouldn't you say.

[nick30]

CarCrazyDad said:

Facebook

This is the worst disease

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Rufus Stone said:

stitched said:

It is indeed, independent body waiting to be told what to say.
And you continue to state they are not a government mouthpiece disguised as an independent body?
Curious.

And yet they didn't recommend vaccinating 12-15 year olds. Pretty crappy mouthpiece wouldn't you say.

Deflection, the point was that the independent JVCI wait to be told what to say by unaccountable government advisors.

[g3org3y]

nick30 said:

CarCrazyDad said:

Facebook

This is the worst disease

Worse than Covid!?

[SWoll]

carinaman said:

CarCrazyDad said:

I hate to say it but I reckon most people who have their kids vaccinated did so not on the actual risk of Covid (because there is virtually no risk) but to allow them to go on Holiday still.

Seen it a couple of times on Facebook

Yep, get jabbed to get your freedoms back. What else are people going to do to get their freedoms back?

Make the huge sacrifice to not holiday abroad, removing the need to jab your children for the sake of 2 weeks of sun once per year? Don't support the tourism industry and see how long they'll hold out if bookings drop through the floor dring the usual busy period (July>Sep)?

Are parents really going to keep getting their children boosted over and over again for a couple of weeks on a beach?

[Rufus Stone]

stitched said:

Deflection, the point was that the independent JVCI wait to be told what to say by unaccountable government advisors.

It's not deflection, it's disproving your point.

[nick30]

g3org3y said:

nick30 said:

CarCrazyDad said:

Facebook

This is the worst disease

Worse than Covid!?

It’s probably caused as much mental illness

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Rufus Stone said:

stitched said:

Deflection, the point was that the independent JVCI wait to be told what to say by unaccountable government advisors.

It's not deflection, it's disproving your point.

My point at no time was suggesting the government were in favour of injecting teenagers, my point was clearly that the JVCI were dependent on gov't guidelines for the advice they offered.
So, sorry but point not even recognised, never mind disproven.