Cost of living squeeze in 2022

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monthou

4,588 posts

51 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Throttlebody said:
monthou said:
Throttlebody said:
Crash is a word owned by you not me.

I'll spin it as the housing market is now on a downward trajectory.
A downward trajectory that's going up?

You need help.
Educate yourself and plot the monthly curve.
Did the average price go up or down last month?

That you can't answer that simple question in a straightforward way says it all.

Throttlebody

2,348 posts

55 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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OzzyR1 said:
Throttlebody said:
Nationwide must have worked their nuts off to squeeze out a 0.3% rise. I'll round that down to zero, so everybody's a winner.

Significant point is, the decline, fall or whatever convenient word you would like to employ highlights the market is heading south. You all know it, but just like to hang in there in some form of false hope.
Don't think anyone has used the words "decline" or "fall" to describe the current market other than you.

You said on this thread earlier; lets wait for the latest Nationwide data.

It's out and is showing a small mom rise of 0.3%.

Less of a mom rise when compared to the last 12-18 months, but still a rise.

How you spin this as a fall astonishes me, you are either trolling or genuinely clueless.
So a fall, decline, drop or consitently reducing monthly rise. Fact. The trajectory is clear. Look back at previous months data.

Open your mind to where its all heading rather than clinging to one statistic.



Throttlebody

2,348 posts

55 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Sway said:
Throttlebody said:
kiethton said:
Throttlebody said:
Biggy Stardust said:
Throttlebody said:
The cost can ‘fall’ relatively though, ie from period to period. Brings down the average. Also well worth understanding.
Please stop.
Sure.

Nationwide Jun data is out soon. Should be interesting.
Data's out....

"Monthly, house prices are still growing, with a seasonally adjusted 0.3% uptick from May to June"
Nationwide must have worked their nuts off to squeeze out a 0.3% rise. I'll round that down to zero, so everybody's a winner.

Significant point is, the decline, fall or whatever convenient word you would like to employ highlights the market is heading south. You all know it, but just like to hang in there in some form of false hope.
rofl
You actually know where its all heading.

Throttlebody

2,348 posts

55 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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monthou said:
Did the average price go up or down last month?

That you can't answer that simple question in a straightforward way says it all.
Ask yourself what the monthly trend is.

monthou

4,588 posts

51 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Throttlebody said:
monthou said:
Did the average price go up or down last month?

That you can't answer that simple question in a straightforward way says it all.
Ask yourself what the monthly trend is.
Not exactly a straigtforward answer that, is it.
Big shock.

OzzyR1

5,735 posts

233 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Throttlebody said:
monthou said:
Throttlebody said:
Crash is a word owned by you not me.

I'll spin it as the housing market is now on a downward trajectory.
A downward trajectory that's going up?

You need help.
Educate yourself and plot the monthly curve.
Here is my imaginary monthly plotted curve for a £100K property asset over 24 months:

First 12 months have 0.5% mom growth
Months 13-18 at 0.25%
Months 19-24 at 0.1%.

Smaller increases after 12 months in your world equate to property prices falling...

You asked for a plot on a graph, see below.
Can't see a downward curve - can't imagine why.



OzzyR1

5,735 posts

233 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Throttlebody said:
Ask yourself what the monthly trend is.
See my post above - it's upward

Throttlebody

2,348 posts

55 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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monthou said:
Throttlebody said:
monthou said:
Did the average price go up or down last month?

That you can't answer that simple question in a straightforward way says it all.
Ask yourself what the monthly trend is.
Not exactly a straigtforward answer that, is it.
Big shock.
The right answer if you want to look at the market direction.

monthou

4,588 posts

51 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Throttlebody said:
The right answer if you want to look at the market direction.
That's not even a sentence.

Throttlebody

2,348 posts

55 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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OzzyR1 said:
Throttlebody said:
Ask yourself what the monthly trend is.
See my post above - it's upward
Hypothetical data.

Not aligned to Nationwide's actual monthly data which is trending down at a significantly faster rate.

Trending and rate are key words

OzzyR1

5,735 posts

233 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Throttlebody said:
monthou said:
Throttlebody said:
monthou said:
Did the average price go up or down last month?

That you can't answer that simple question in a straightforward way says it all.
Ask yourself what the monthly trend is.
Not exactly a straigtforward answer that, is it.
Big shock.
The right answer if you want to look at the market direction.
The current market direction (according to Nationwide) is 0.3% increase in the last month.

You said above, follow the trajectory so using that 0.3% have simplified for you if it repeats over the next 12 months.

The figures do not support your argument, no matter which way you try to spin them.

If I am wrong then show me why.

Won't hold my breath for a response.



dmahon

2,717 posts

65 months

Thursday 30th June 2022
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Are we still debating whether an increase is actually a fall?

Can we at least agree to disagree as this was a decent thread.

OzzyR1

5,735 posts

233 months

Friday 1st July 2022
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Throttlebody said:
OzzyR1 said:
Throttlebody said:
Ask yourself what the monthly trend is.
See my post above - it's upward
Hypothetical data.

Not aligned to Nationwide's actual monthly data which is trending down at a significantly faster rate.

Trending and rate are key words
Ah, should have realised that you are privy to Nationwide's internal finance reports and risk/governance decisions. It all makes sense now.

My brother-in-law is in the leadership team, might be promoted to board in a few years time.

He doesn't have access to that level of information and even if he did, it would be more than his job is worth to tell me or my family. Your source must be at the top-level and a real gossip.

Or you are talking c**p... if we were to have a bet, I know where my money will be.


OzzyR1

5,735 posts

233 months

Friday 1st July 2022
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dmahon said:
Are we still debating whether an increase is actually a fall?

Can we at least agree to disagree as this was a decent thread.
Apologies, I took the bait - couldn't believe the total b*llocks that Throttlebody was typing.

Quite clear now, especially after his reference to "Nationwide internal data", which I personally know to be untrue, that he is either a troll or an idiot, likely both.

Will not rise to it again and sorry for derailing the topic.

Biggy Stardust

6,932 posts

45 months

Friday 1st July 2022
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Throttlebody said:
So a fall, decline, drop or consitently reducing monthly rise. Fact. The trajectory is clear. Look back at previous months data.

Open your mind to where its all heading rather than clinging to one statistic.
It's levelling off after a fairly steep climb. We'll see what happens next but I predict small variations around level flight for a while.

OzzyR1

5,735 posts

233 months

Friday 1st July 2022
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Biggy Stardust said:
Throttlebody said:
So a fall, decline, drop or consitently reducing monthly rise. Fact. The trajectory is clear. Look back at previous months data.

Open your mind to where its all heading rather than clinging to one statistic.
It's levelling off after a fairly steep climb. We'll see what happens next but I predict small variations around level flight for a while.
Agree, don't read the Guardian normally but this popped up on a news feed and makes sense.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/jun/30/brit...


Prolex-UK

3,069 posts

209 months

Friday 1st July 2022
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See Heinz are refusing to sell to Tesco as Tesco will not pay the increased price charged due to Heinzes increased costs.

Result lots if empty shelves in tesco.

Bit cheeky of tesco really as there profits are more than healthy




Welshbeef

49,633 posts

199 months

Friday 1st July 2022
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Is it just me or is the absurd TB understanding about what an increase is is so ROFLOL it brightened the day of otherwise st news.

Deep Thought

35,854 posts

198 months

Friday 1st July 2022
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dmahon said:
Are we still debating whether an increase is actually a fall?

Can we at least agree to disagree as this was a decent thread.
This is what happens when a troll is indulged and humoured for too long.

He thinks he has a platform and an audience.

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

199 months

Friday 1st July 2022
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Deep Thought said:
dmahon said:
Are we still debating whether an increase is actually a fall?

Can we at least agree to disagree as this was a decent thread.
This is what happens when a troll is indulged and humoured for too long.

He thinks he has a platform and an audience.
Normally trolling per the T&Cs is a ban matter.

Why have the MODs not banned if it is trolling.
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