Boris Johnson-Prime Minister (Vol 8)
Discussion
MC Bodge said:
Wombat3 said:
Do that many people really cast their vote on the basis of who will be PM? Or even who the local MP is?
Yes. That was exactly what they did (especially) last time. abzmike said:
According to the papers the government now have two initiatives underway:
Operation Save Big Dog - identify scapegoats to take the blame for the culture of not giving a f
k in Downing Street, have ministers rally round in the media telling us how bloody marvellous the PM is, and how without him Covid would have been so much worse.
Operation Red Meat - throw titbits of populist read meat to the red wall such as the BBC funding freeze announced on a Saturday evening, as you would…
New levels of cynicism now prevail in government.
And remember that whilst all this is going on it distracts from running the country during a pandemic and with the poorest in society facing being hit the hardest by a cost of living squeeze.Operation Save Big Dog - identify scapegoats to take the blame for the culture of not giving a f
k in Downing Street, have ministers rally round in the media telling us how bloody marvellous the PM is, and how without him Covid would have been so much worse.Operation Red Meat - throw titbits of populist read meat to the red wall such as the BBC funding freeze announced on a Saturday evening, as you would…
New levels of cynicism now prevail in government.
I'm more interested in what the Government is doing to help those people than which junior members of his team are to be asked to resign to try and protect Johnson.
Every single person who's defended this s
tshow should be ashamed.bhstewie said:
hstewie said: And remember that whilst all this is going on it distracts from running the country during a pandemic and with the poorest in society facing being hit the hardest by a cost of living squeeze.
I'm more interested in what the Government is doing to help those people than which junior members of his team is to be asked to resign to try and protect Johnson.
Every single person who's defended this stshow should be ashamed.
That’s another reason why he should go now. Senior ministers are now totally focused on the political game so much so that government is effectively paralysed as they now fight it out internally to either save or dump Boris.I'm more interested in what the Government is doing to help those people than which junior members of his team is to be asked to resign to try and protect Johnson.
Every single person who's defended this s
tshow should be ashamed.He is now a distraction when the country is entering a period of uncertainty and positive and quality leadership is desperately needed.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:abzmike said:
According to the papers the government now have two initiatives underway:
Operation Save Big Dog - identify scapegoats to take the blame for the culture of not giving a fk in Downing Street, have ministers rally round in the media telling us how bloody marvellous the PM is, and how without him Covid would have been so much worse.
Operation Red Meat - throw titbits of populist read meat to the red wall such as the BBC funding freeze announced on a Saturday evening, as you would…
New levels of cynicism now prevail in government.
And remember that whilst all this is going on it distracts from running the country during a pandemic and with the poorest in society facing being hit the hardest by a cost of living squeeze.Operation Save Big Dog - identify scapegoats to take the blame for the culture of not giving a f
k in Downing Street, have ministers rally round in the media telling us how bloody marvellous the PM is, and how without him Covid would have been so much worse.Operation Red Meat - throw titbits of populist read meat to the red wall such as the BBC funding freeze announced on a Saturday evening, as you would…
New levels of cynicism now prevail in government.
I'm more interested in what the Government is doing to help those people than which junior members of his team are to be asked to resign to try and protect Johnson.
Every single person who's defended this s
tshow should be ashamed.The current show is a self-inflicted evolution and is certainly s
t meanwhile the alternatives are also st so lucky us. With a fair wind Boris will be replaced before the next election. Will the generalisationists, not wishing to generalise
be satisfied, that's the question.turbobloke said:
Unlike people making sweeping generalisations for internet points?
The current show is a self-inflicted evolution and is certainly st meanwhile the alternatives are also st so lucky us.
With a fair wind Boris will be replaced before the next election. Will the generalisationists, not wishing to generalise be satisfied, that's the question.
Internet points or speaking plainly?The current show is a self-inflicted evolution and is certainly s
t meanwhile the alternatives are also st so lucky us. With a fair wind Boris will be replaced before the next election. Will the generalisationists, not wishing to generalise
be satisfied, that's the question.If you want him gone just say that.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Every single person who's defended this stshow should be ashamed.
I doubt it. The people who move in that sort of world don't often do humility. tshow should be ashamed.I do hope that Kwasi Kwarteng, who was one of Johnson (and Brexit's) keenest apologists, who and made to look an idiot, has now seen error of his ways, though.
Electro1980 said:
Wombat3 said:
Do that many people really cast their vote on the basis of who will be PM? Or even who the local MP is?
Lots of people voted on the basis of Boris. His public image was a huge part of the last election, both for and against.There are huge proportions of the country that will vote blue (or red) out of engrained habit. Your answer isn't applicable to them.
I was ready to argue that, as long as the PM isn't a moron, it will be policies not personalities that does it.
However, Boris's charm / pursuasion / exuberance / energy I think convinced enough swing voters in North England that he was the right chap.
Partly because he was such a difference to May (who had got herself into a massive rut) and partly because Corbyn represented the politics of envy, and was far too left wing for most of the UK to stomach.
So I would support the view that his personality (and brexit being a single issue brexit issue that dominated the 2019 leadership content and GE) helped the Tories massively.
And thinking back
- Milliband Vs Cameron...Milliband was too inert/ bland, even with the massive advantage of only having to be better than Gordon Brown (though really labour had run out of road)
- William Hague / Michael Howard / Iain Duncan Smith - the public never got behind them like they did Tony Blair (oh how times change)
- in turn, Tories has run out of rode in 1997 due to...wait for it.. sleaze and the EU
So perhaps electro1980 is a lot closer to it than I would care to admit?
Sad really.. I would hope the 30m odd voters in the UK could do it based on policies.
(Or, out political parties find some decent personalities but with moral fibre!!)
768 said:
Evidence threshold presumably, have you not seen the photo?! They may well not be done yet, once Sue Gray's done her work. Do we even know how many black or other ethnic minorities were at all the other "parties"?
I'm not much of a fan of the police in 2022 but to leap to racism that quickly seems excessive and then some.
YesI'm not much of a fan of the police in 2022 but to leap to racism that quickly seems excessive and then some.
In terms of evidence that has emerged Bailey was photographed at the centre of a party.
and this is also to ignore the fact that, regardless of race, the police will no doubt be a bit more reluctant to investigate the PM than a minor politician.
Ian Geary said:
So perhaps electro1980 is a lot closer to it than I would care to admit?
Sad really.. I would hope the 30m odd voters in the UK could do it based on policies.
(Or, out political parties find some decent personalities but with moral fibre!!)
Johnson himself "he's so funny" was popular, the EU issue split the nation and Corbyn, whilst not at all great, was painted as a caricature of Stalin/the devil, and many lower income people seemed to swallow it. Sad really.. I would hope the 30m odd voters in the UK could do it based on policies.
(Or, out political parties find some decent personalities but with moral fibre!!)
It is not a very proportional representation system, though.
-A relatively small number of voters in key geographical locations can have a disproportionate effect.
The Brexit Party etc. Split the Labour vote in their (former) heartlands which, in some places, made the Tories appear much more popular than they are there.
gottans said:
Boris is now really in trouble, Piers Morgan on BBC Sunday Morning says he quite likes the guy!
Boris would probably be a great laugh on a night out.I’m sure many of us know people or have old friends like Boris who are a hilarious and get along with everyone but you wouldn’t lend them any money or want them running anything important or sniffing around your sister.
anonymous said:
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I don't think race is the reason they're looking into Bailey but if I were Cressida Dick I'd certainly be asking myself how it looks to the public given the wider issue the Met has right now around credibility and trust and fair treatment.Remember how heavily they policed the Sarah Everard vigil for example.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:anonymous said:
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I don't think race is the reason they're looking into Bailey but if I were Cressida Dick I'd certainly be asking myself how it looks to the public given the wider issue the Met has right now around credibility and trust and fair treatment.Remember how heavily they policed the Sarah Everard vigil for example.
Claims Johnson was warned it was a party but dismissed the warnings.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1482654191...
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1482654191...
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Claims Johnson was warned it was a party but dismissed the warnings.
https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1482654191...
Deliberately lying to the House then. https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1482654191...
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