Boris Johnson-Prime Minister (Vol 8)

[BigMon]

CoolHands said:

I came here to say - I can’t see a Rees-mogg thread hence I will put this here.

He is an absolute smug scumbag of the highest order. I heard him on radio station LBC on Thursday or Friday morning about the reducing by 90,000 thing. He just an absolute ahole, it doesn’t need further analysis. I could not bare to be in the same room as him, I feel sorry for any civil servants that have to interact with him in any way shape or form.

I still like Boris.

The thing is, although I think Boris is useless and shouldn't be PM I'd willingly have a pint with him as you just know he'd be great company.

Imagine inviting Rees-Mogg for a pint. He'd probably hit you with his riding crop at your affrontery.

[CoolHands]

Lol That (whip) reminds me - what has happened to that wker gavin williamson I notice he’s been quiet recently.

[Gecko1978]

Wills2 said:

bhstewie said:

Anyway a few chunks of red meat.

Working from home DOESN'T work, says PM: In Mail interview, Boris Johnson demands millions get back to the office - and reveals 50 illegal migrants are set to go to Rwanda in two weeks

Was he simply trying to explain his own piss poor performance whilst working from home at No10.

If we dont go back some industries are dead...I wfh I get paid on results ab still get paid so maybe it does work. Bur look if you have a number of offices say 10 000 people but now 2 days a week they are home that's a 40% fall in use of that facility and all the things that support it samlll shops security cleaning infrastructure staff all needed less. Is 40% less still sustainable I suspect not. But the tidy has gone out and chnage has happened so best set up new ideas. Delivery options local business hubs, online fitness classes etc. You have to adapt demanding Whitehall all go back sure an just watch people leave for other jobs.

[Randy Winkman]

BigMon said:

bhstewie said:

andy_s said:

I can't figure it out, things will find their own level without govt interference/commentary. Dead coffee shops in city centers vs. cost/pollution/time wasted .It's not like 'work' is an homogenized blob either, circumstances alter cases.

It's just pandering to their base in spite of a clear manifesto commitment to encourage it to be the default where appropriate.

Then you've got this utter ghoul spewing crap like this to hide their failings.

Jacob Rees-Mogg declares war on ‘three-day week’ for the Civil Service

Don't look at what they say look at what they do.

Of all the cretins in government posts at the moment I reckon Rees-Mogg must just about be top for me in my own personal 'most loathed' rankings.

And people wonder why the civil service tend to be a bit left wing.

[turbobloke]

Randy Winkman said:

BigMon said:

bhstewie said:

andy_s said:

I can't figure it out, things will find their own level without govt interference/commentary. Dead coffee shops in city centers vs. cost/pollution/time wasted .It's not like 'work' is an homogenized blob either, circumstances alter cases.

It's just pandering to their base in spite of a clear manifesto commitment to encourage it to be the default where appropriate.
Then you've got this utter ghoul spewing crap like this to hide their failings.

Jacob Rees-Mogg declares war on ‘three-day week’ for the Civil Service

Don't look at what they say look at what they do.

Of all the cretins in government posts at the moment I reckon Rees-Mogg must just about be top for me in my own personal 'most loathed' rankings.

And people wonder why the civil service tend to be a bit left wing.

Is it similar to the 80% left-lean segment of academe...isolation, groupthink, appointing likenesses?

[smn159]

Randy Winkman said:

BigMon said:

bhstewie said:

andy_s said:

I can't figure it out, things will find their own level without govt interference/commentary. Dead coffee shops in city centers vs. cost/pollution/time wasted .It's not like 'work' is an homogenized blob either, circumstances alter cases.

It's just pandering to their base in spite of a clear manifesto commitment to encourage it to be the default where appropriate.

Then you've got this utter ghoul spewing crap like this to hide their failings.

Jacob Rees-Mogg declares war on ‘three-day week’ for the Civil Service

Don't look at what they say look at what they do.

Of all the cretins in government posts at the moment I reckon Rees-Mogg must just about be top for me in my own personal 'most loathed' rankings.

And people wonder why the civil service tend to be a bit left wing.

Working people with even half decent terms and conditions of employment seem to be the enemy these days. Bizarre really.

[turbobloke]

smn159 said:

Randy Winkman said:

BigMon said:

bhstewie said:

andy_s said:

I can't figure it out, things will find their own level without govt interference/commentary. Dead coffee shops in city centers vs. cost/pollution/time wasted .It's not like 'work' is an homogenized blob either, circumstances alter cases.

It's just pandering to their base in spite of a clear manifesto commitment to encourage it to be the default where appropriate.

Then you've got this utter ghoul spewing crap like this to hide their failings.

Jacob Rees-Mogg declares war on ‘three-day week’ for the Civil Service

Don't look at what they say look at what they do.

Of all the cretins in government posts at the moment I reckon Rees-Mogg must just about be top for me in my own personal 'most loathed' rankings.

And people wonder why the civil service tend to be a bit left wing.

Working people with even half decent terms and conditions of employment seem to be the enemy these days. Bizarre really.

There are some good terms and conditions in the private sector, however, the private sector doesn't rely on a river of tax to pay armies of shinypants and can't be termed 'big government bloat'.

Civil servants of all sorts of types - forces, medics etc - do a good job. That's not what this is about by any means.

[smn159]

turbobloke said:

a river of tax to pay armies of shinypants

As I said...

[BigMon]

smn159 said:

turbobloke said:

a river of tax to pay armies of shinypants

As I said...

I worked for local government 15 years ago and even then it was being pared back. 15 years of even more paring won't, I imagine, be leaving a lot of fat to be trimmed. You're getting to a point where services start being affected or culled.

The era of 'how many people work for the council, about 30%' ended a long time ago I think.

[Randy Winkman]

turbobloke said:

Randy Winkman said:

BigMon said:

bhstewie said:

andy_s said:

I can't figure it out, things will find their own level without govt interference/commentary. Dead coffee shops in city centers vs. cost/pollution/time wasted .It's not like 'work' is an homogenized blob either, circumstances alter cases.

It's just pandering to their base in spite of a clear manifesto commitment to encourage it to be the default where appropriate.
Then you've got this utter ghoul spewing crap like this to hide their failings.

Jacob Rees-Mogg declares war on ‘three-day week’ for the Civil Service

Don't look at what they say look at what they do.

Of all the cretins in government posts at the moment I reckon Rees-Mogg must just about be top for me in my own personal 'most loathed' rankings.

And people wonder why the civil service tend to be a bit left wing.

Is it similar to the 80% left-lean segment of academe...isolation, groupthink, appointing likenesses?

That suggests they start left wing. Why would civil servants respect their employer after the last few weeks? If you had problem with your staff would you try to embarrass them via the national media?

[Wills2]

BigMon said:

bhstewie said:

andy_s said:

I can't figure it out, things will find their own level without govt interference/commentary. Dead coffee shops in city centers vs. cost/pollution/time wasted .It's not like 'work' is an homogenized blob either, circumstances alter cases.

It's just pandering to their base in spite of a clear manifesto commitment to encourage it to be the default where appropriate.

Then you've got this utter ghoul spewing crap like this to hide their failings.

Jacob Rees-Mogg declares war on ‘three-day week’ for the Civil Service

Don't look at what they say look at what they do.

Of all the cretins in government posts at the moment I reckon Rees-Mogg must just about be top for me in my own personal 'most loathed' rankings.

Agreed a backbencher on the looney right wing fringe of the party suddenly finds himself at the centre of government tells you all you need to know about the current gov.

He's contributing the square root of SFA to the running of the country, he seems to think he's paid to make a tit of himself on a weekly basis.

[Electro1980]

Randy Winkman said:

That suggests they start left wing. Why would civil servants respect their employer after the last few weeks? If you had problem with your staff would you try to embarrass them via the national media?

I’m sure many do start left wing. Hardly surprising that lower paid jobs with a high amount of public service attracts people who are more left leaning.

[blueg33]

Didn’t the civil service grow significantly to manage Brexit?

[768]

I doubt it. The department dedicated to it wasn’t even a thousand people before it was dissolved and they were largely taken from elsewhere in the civil service. Can’t see it touching the sides of 90k.

[rscott]

768 said:

I doubt it. The department dedicated to it wasn’t even a thousand people before it was dissolved and they were largely taken from elsewhere in the civil service. Can’t see it touching the sides of 90k.

Since 2016, the number of civil servants responsible for defining policies have increased by over 11,000. Project delivery numbers increased by 5,000. These are primarily Brexit related.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explaine...

Although 2016 staffing levels were the lowest since WW2, so aiming for that level seems odd...

[Mojooo]

768 said:

I doubt it. The department dedicated to it wasn’t even a thousand people before it was dissolved and they were largely taken from elsewhere in the civil service. Can’t see it touching the sides of 90k.

There has been a huge amount of work post Brexit making our laws workable and also looking at policy post Brexit - so I'd imagine there are many thousands of posts created to cope with Brexit related work. Although a lot of this is done now... that said the Govt is also now looking at what laws will be changed post Brexit so there is possibly a lot of work to be done still.

[roger.mellie]

blueg33 said:

Didn’t the civil service grow significantly to manage Brexit?

Yes.

But it’s a false argument anyway. Either you resource enough people to address the work that needs done or you don’t.

I’m as vitriolic as many about lazy work shy soft life civil servants in some departments, not all, but that’s bad management. There’s a job that needs done and you’re not going to get it done better by cutting staff first. It’s just headline bullst to do so. If the purpose is to serve the public then make it more efficient then cut. Cut first is untargetted and useless.

[jdw100]

CoolHands said:

I came here to say - I can’t see a Rees-mogg thread hence I will put this here.

He is an absolute smug scumbag of the highest order. I heard him on radio station LBC on Thursday or Friday morning about the reducing by 90,000 thing. He just an absolute ahole, it doesn’t need further analysis. I could not bare to be in the same room as him, I feel sorry for any civil servants that have to interact with him in any way shape or form.

I still like Boris.

He makes them (civil service employees that will lose their jobs) sound like free-loaders who deserve to be sacked.

They were hired by the government. They didn't somehow sneak on to the payroll.

Where is the compassion for them and their families?

He gives the impression that these are all £100k+ shirking work and WFH.

I'd be interested to know the actual salaries involved, the redundancy cost and impact on the public purse in other ways.

[NWTony]

CoolHands said:

I came here to say - I can’t see a Rees-mogg thread hence I will put this here.

He is an absolute smug scumbag of the highest order. I heard him on radio station LBC on Thursday or Friday morning about the reducing by 90,000 thing. He just an absolute ahole, it doesn’t need further analysis. I could not bare to be in the same room as him, I feel sorry for any civil servants that have to interact with him in any way shape or form.

I still like Boris.

But if you wanted a reasoned debate on a topic, I'd rather have RM.

[bitchstewie]

jdw100 said:

He makes them (civil service employees that will lose their jobs) sound like free-loaders who deserve to be sacked.

They were hired by the government. They didn't somehow sneak on to the payroll.

Where is the compassion for them and their families?

He gives the impression that these are all £100k+ shirking work and WFH.

I'd be interested to know the actual salaries involved, the redundancy cost and impact on the public purse in other ways.

It's interesting comparing the rhetoric from Mogg and Johnson over the Civil Service to the rhetoric over how P&O treated their staff.

I'm sure I heard that Johnson and Mogg announced the 90,000 less staff without any sort of discussion or consolation with the unions.