Boris Johnson-Prime Minister (Vol 8)

Boris Johnson-Prime Minister (Vol 8)

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loafer123

13,496 posts

192 months

Saturday 14th May
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andy_s said:
I read a good article a few years ago about the financing of shopping centers and how entwined they were with pension funds, we're quite the hostages to fortune lately.
That ship has sailed. The values are already written down to virtually nothing.


andy_s

18,449 posts

236 months

Saturday 14th May
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loafer123 said:
andy_s said:
I read a good article a few years ago about the financing of shopping centers and how entwined they were with pension funds, we're quite the hostages to fortune lately.
That ship has sailed. The values are already written down to virtually nothing.
Oof. Cheers.

JagLover

37,659 posts

212 months

Saturday 14th May
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loafer123 said:
andy_s said:
I read a good article a few years ago about the financing of shopping centers and how entwined they were with pension funds, we're quite the hostages to fortune lately.
That ship has sailed. The values are already written down to virtually nothing.
Weren't many Local councils also buying shopping centres as a "great investment"?

loafer123

13,496 posts

192 months

Saturday 14th May
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JagLover said:
loafer123 said:
andy_s said:
I read a good article a few years ago about the financing of shopping centers and how entwined they were with pension funds, we're quite the hostages to fortune lately.
That ship has sailed. The values are already written down to virtually nothing.
Weren't many Local councils also buying shopping centres as a "great investment"?
Yes, they were.

Somewhat ironically, they will have to do so increasingly as the values drop to nil and below.

My business asset manages some which have been bought for £20 psf, for example.

Wills2

19,414 posts

152 months

Saturday 14th May
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bhstewie said:
Was he simply trying to explain his own piss poor performance whilst working from home at No10.



blueg33

29,725 posts

201 months

Saturday 14th May
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bhstewie said:
I don't honestly know why but working from home really seems to annoy the more right wing Brexity types.

This is what the 2019 Conservative manifesto said.

"We will encourage flexible working and consult on making it the default unless employers have good reasons not to."

Slightly at odds with the noise they're making right now about the Civil Service or suggesting people are lazy if they're not working from the office.
Suggesting that people are lazy if they are not working from the office says a lot more about the person saying it than it does about the person working from home.

blueg33

29,725 posts

201 months

Saturday 14th May
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loafer123 said:
JagLover said:
loafer123 said:
andy_s said:
I read a good article a few years ago about the financing of shopping centers and how entwined they were with pension funds, we're quite the hostages to fortune lately.
That ship has sailed. The values are already written down to virtually nothing.
Weren't many Local councils also buying shopping centres as a "great investment"?
Yes, they were.

Somewhat ironically, they will have to do so increasingly as the values drop to nil and below.

My business asset manages some which have been bought for £20 psf, for example.
New rules from the National Audit Office, mean that Local Authorities are not able to buy unrelated assets for an income strip. It even makes them think twice about income strip on related assets such as housing.

loafer123

13,496 posts

192 months

Saturday 14th May
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blueg33 said:
New rules from the National Audit Office, mean that Local Authorities are not able to buy unrelated assets for an income strip. It even makes them think twice about income strip on related assets such as housing.
And rightly so.

There were southern councils buying retail parks in Scotland, taking advantage of PWLB funding to create a profit.

They are still able to buy assets in their own areas, and as the default owners of town centres in distress, that makes sense.

bitchstewie

40,476 posts

187 months

Saturday 14th May
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blueg33 said:
Suggesting that people are lazy if they are not working from the office says a lot more about the person saying it than it does about the person working from home.
It's the sheer brass neck of it that amazes me.

Literally in the manifesto to consult on making it the default then you have Johnson and ministers publicly suggesting people who do so are lazy.

blueg33

29,725 posts

201 months

Saturday 14th May
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loafer123 said:
blueg33 said:
New rules from the National Audit Office, mean that Local Authorities are not able to buy unrelated assets for an income strip. It even makes them think twice about income strip on related assets such as housing.
And rightly so.

There were southern councils buying retail parks in Scotland, taking advantage of PWLB funding to create a profit.

They are still able to buy assets in their own areas, and as the default owners of town centres in distress, that makes sense.
Yup. There is also a PWLB cap now

BigMon

3,198 posts

106 months

Saturday 14th May
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JagLover said:
pghstochaj said:
I don’t like working from home personally. However, the following from Boris says more about Boris than it does about working from home:

Taking a swipe at the out-of-office culture that has taken hold across Whitehall, he adds: 'My experience of working from home is you spend an awful lot of time making another cup of coffee and then, you know, getting up, walking very slowly to the fridge, hacking off a small piece of cheese, then walking very slowly back to your laptop and then forgetting what it was you're doing.'
laugh

It does indeed the lazy fat clown.

Meanwhile people who are being paid for results have usually invested in a home office setup and aren't spending their time traipsing to and from the fridge. You would likely often waste more time in an office doing such tasks as the kitchen area might be a bit of a walk.
laugh

TBH at least if he's stuffing his face he's not making yet another shambolic policy decision so it's by far the lesser of two evils.

BigMon

3,198 posts

106 months

Saturday 14th May
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bhstewie said:
andy_s said:
I can't figure it out, things will find their own level without govt interference/commentary. Dead coffee shops in city centers vs. cost/pollution/time wasted confused .It's not like 'work' is an homogenized blob either, circumstances alter cases.
It's just pandering to their base in spite of a clear manifesto commitment to encourage it to be the default where appropriate.

Then you've got this utter ghoul spewing crap like this to hide their failings.

Jacob Rees-Mogg declares war on ‘three-day week’ for the Civil Service

Don't look at what they say look at what they do.
Of all the cretins in government posts at the moment I reckon Rees-Mogg must just about be top for me in my own personal 'most loathed' rankings.



BrabusMog

18,631 posts

163 months

Saturday 14th May
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BigMon said:
bhstewie said:
andy_s said:
I can't figure it out, things will find their own level without govt interference/commentary. Dead coffee shops in city centers vs. cost/pollution/time wasted confused .It's not like 'work' is an homogenized blob either, circumstances alter cases.
It's just pandering to their base in spite of a clear manifesto commitment to encourage it to be the default where appropriate.

Then you've got this utter ghoul spewing crap like this to hide their failings.

Jacob Rees-Mogg declares war on ‘three-day week’ for the Civil Service

Don't look at what they say look at what they do.
Of all the cretins in government posts at the moment I reckon Rees-Mogg must just about be top for me in my own personal 'most loathed' rankings.
If they’d ever had to work a proper job, they’d not be saying st like this. What a .

CoolHands

15,064 posts

172 months

Saturday 14th May
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I came here to say - I can’t see a Rees-mogg thread hence I will put this here.

He is an absolute smug scumbag of the highest order. I heard him on radio station LBC on Thursday or Friday morning about the reducing by 90,000 thing. He just an absolute ahole, it doesn’t need further analysis. I could not bare to be in the same room as him, I feel sorry for any civil servants that have to interact with him in any way shape or form.

I still like Boris.

BigMon

3,198 posts

106 months

Saturday 14th May
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CoolHands said:
I came here to say - I can’t see a Rees-mogg thread hence I will put this here.

He is an absolute smug scumbag of the highest order. I heard him on radio station LBC on Thursday or Friday morning about the reducing by 90,000 thing. He just an absolute ahole, it doesn’t need further analysis. I could not bare to be in the same room as him, I feel sorry for any civil servants that have to interact with him in any way shape or form.

I still like Boris.
The thing is, although I think Boris is useless and shouldn't be PM I'd willingly have a pint with him as you just know he'd be great company.

Imagine inviting Rees-Mogg for a pint. He'd probably hit you with his riding crop at your affrontery.

CoolHands

15,064 posts

172 months

Saturday 14th May
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Lol That (whip) reminds me - what has happened to that wker gavin williamson I notice he’s been quiet recently.

Gecko1978

6,822 posts

134 months

Saturday 14th May
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Wills2 said:
bhstewie said:
Was he simply trying to explain his own piss poor performance whilst working from home at No10.
If we dont go back some industries are dead...I wfh I get paid on results ab still get paid so maybe it does work. Bur look if you have a number of offices say 10 000 people but now 2 days a week they are home that's a 40% fall in use of that facility and all the things that support it samlll shops security cleaning infrastructure staff all needed less. Is 40% less still sustainable I suspect not. But the tidy has gone out and chnage has happened so best set up new ideas. Delivery options local business hubs, online fitness classes etc. You have to adapt demanding Whitehall all go back sure an just watch people leave for other jobs.

Randy Winkman

11,457 posts

166 months

Saturday 14th May
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BigMon said:
bhstewie said:
andy_s said:
I can't figure it out, things will find their own level without govt interference/commentary. Dead coffee shops in city centers vs. cost/pollution/time wasted confused .It's not like 'work' is an homogenized blob either, circumstances alter cases.
It's just pandering to their base in spite of a clear manifesto commitment to encourage it to be the default where appropriate.

Then you've got this utter ghoul spewing crap like this to hide their failings.

Jacob Rees-Mogg declares war on ‘three-day week’ for the Civil Service

Don't look at what they say look at what they do.
Of all the cretins in government posts at the moment I reckon Rees-Mogg must just about be top for me in my own personal 'most loathed' rankings.
And people wonder why the civil service tend to be a bit left wing.

turbobloke

96,123 posts

237 months

Saturday 14th May
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Randy Winkman said:
BigMon said:
bhstewie said:
andy_s said:
I can't figure it out, things will find their own level without govt interference/commentary. Dead coffee shops in city centers vs. cost/pollution/time wasted confused .It's not like 'work' is an homogenized blob either, circumstances alter cases.
It's just pandering to their base in spite of a clear manifesto commitment to encourage it to be the default where appropriate.
Then you've got this utter ghoul spewing crap like this to hide their failings.

Jacob Rees-Mogg declares war on ‘three-day week’ for the Civil Service

Don't look at what they say look at what they do.
Of all the cretins in government posts at the moment I reckon Rees-Mogg must just about be top for me in my own personal 'most loathed' rankings.
And people wonder why the civil service tend to be a bit left wing.
Is it similar to the 80% left-lean segment of academe...isolation, groupthink, appointing likenesses?

smn159

9,265 posts

194 months

Saturday 14th May
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Randy Winkman said:
BigMon said:
bhstewie said:
andy_s said:
I can't figure it out, things will find their own level without govt interference/commentary. Dead coffee shops in city centers vs. cost/pollution/time wasted confused .It's not like 'work' is an homogenized blob either, circumstances alter cases.
It's just pandering to their base in spite of a clear manifesto commitment to encourage it to be the default where appropriate.

Then you've got this utter ghoul spewing crap like this to hide their failings.

Jacob Rees-Mogg declares war on ‘three-day week’ for the Civil Service

Don't look at what they say look at what they do.
Of all the cretins in government posts at the moment I reckon Rees-Mogg must just about be top for me in my own personal 'most loathed' rankings.
And people wonder why the civil service tend to be a bit left wing.
Working people with even half decent terms and conditions of employment seem to be the enemy these days. Bizarre really.