Boris Johnson-Prime Minister (Vol 8)
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Murph7355 said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: I don't think he should resign just over an FPN I think he should resign for many other reasons.
As Peston said above he's seen junior and female staff carry the can and all pay (literally) a bigger penalty than he has in spite of being at some of the events that saw others fined.
Do you honestly think that's true leader leadership or that it's acceptable from the person who's supposed to set the tone for behaviour in Government?
Peston's well researched article is just the sort of thing that always gets you moist.As Peston said above he's seen junior and female staff carry the can and all pay (literally) a bigger penalty than he has in spite of being at some of the events that saw others fined.
Do you honestly think that's true leader leadership or that it's acceptable from the person who's supposed to set the tone for behaviour in Government?
It's b
ks. Like most of the "journalistic" articles you start threads with.If these people went to the "not parties" then I'm sure the Police will have worked that out and fined them.
Why were more women and juniors fined? That Peston article gives no clues at all other than bias and bulls
t and trying to stoke some division.How many people were at each event? How many were fined at each event and of what gender/age/earnings level? Did they all answer your beloved "under caution questionnaires" the same way? Has the Conservative party offered to pony up for the fines?
Or....
Are the Police bent and, under instruction from Boris himself, looked at the gender, age and earnings of the attendees and fined the female, young and low earning ones the most?
Vanden Saab said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I don't think he should resign just over an FPN I think he should resign for many other reasons.
As Peston said above he's seen junior and female staff carry the can and all pay (literally) a bigger penalty than he has in spite of being at some of the events that saw others fined.
Do you honestly think that's true leader leadership or that it's acceptable from the person who's supposed to set the tone for behaviour in Government?
Oh wait, now you care about the little people you threw under the bus in a desperate attempt to get at the big dog... As Peston said above he's seen junior and female staff carry the can and all pay (literally) a bigger penalty than he has in spite of being at some of the events that saw others fined.
Do you honestly think that's true leader leadership or that it's acceptable from the person who's supposed to set the tone for behaviour in Government?
Johnson bought this on himself with his lying and deceit.
There's been a fair amount of media comment on how those at the top seem to have got away without being fined even though they were at the same events that junior staff have been fined for being at.
You can ask for a forensic breakdown like Murph seems to want or you can look at it and think whatever the reasons it whiffs a bit.
I could easily take the same approach about you like a terrier on the Starmer thread but I don't because if the Police see fit to investigate you have to let them get on with it.
stongle said:
Murph7355 said:
cirian75 said:
Mostly junior and female staff got the FPN's, the senior staff mostly male staff and minsters all lawyered and got away with scott free.
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Classic Peston, although he doesn't even bother with the "I'm not suggesting anything untoward has happened, but..." in this one....
It "seems" male partygoers haven't been fined. Maybe they've just not moaned about getting fined? "Lawyering up"?
Yawn. It shou/ld be a piece of piss for a quality journalist to get some proper facts together and report on it properly.
He's evidently not a quality journalist. He's a dick.
Oh, the unfairness.
It just couldn't be that the secretarial and junior staffing pool, are mostly women: could it?
And another thing, that anyone whose ever been to ANY work party will tell you. The first people to leave or GTFO are the more senior people. Generally they've got better things to do than eat cake and slag off Bertha the office bike.
It's just clickbait trolling of the highest order. What might constitute better journalism and investigative reporting - who f
ked up inflation policies No.10 or No.11. If all No.10 does is eat cake and fk about, why didn't No.11 come up with obviously better policy response? With the Met failing to provide the coup de grace on Boris we are now going full circle back to waiting for Sue Gray to deliver the mercy blow. But what if she doesn’t? The threats of naming people, presumably those she deems the most guilty, have now been made prior to publication next week - they have been given until Sunday to object / get their injunctions in place or whatever. But what if she doesn’t specifically ‘name’ Boris? Certain poster’s blood pressure will surely result in exploding aneurisms. Indeed, this may all backfire as Boris will claim being pretty much absolved of any serious misdemeanours following both the Met investigation and Gray reports. His position might even become more secure!
Just needs Starmer to get fined and resign to be the icing on the cake, complete with cherry!
It’s all just a pantomime now.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Don't try that one.
Johnson bought this on himself with his lying and deceit.
Except that you're moaning it's not on Johnson.Johnson bought this on himself with his lying and deceit.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: There's been a fair amount of media comment on how those at the top seem to have got away without being fined even though they were at the same events that junior staff have been fined for being at.
You can ask for a forensic breakdown like Murph seems to want or you can look at it and think whatever the reasons it whiffs a bit.
Clearly the police haven't fined the right people. We shouldn't have let them just get on with it.You can ask for a forensic breakdown like Murph seems to want or you can look at it and think whatever the reasons it whiffs a bit.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I could easily take the same approach about you like a terrier on the Starmer thread but I don't because if the Police see fit to investigate you have to let them get on with it.
Oh, cock.bhstewie said:
hstewie said: The Police have been left to get on with it and quite rightly.
I don't think pointing out that people are likely to ask why junior staff have apparently been fined for attending the same events as senior staff who haven't been fined is being critical of the Police.
Who is it being critical of? I don't think pointing out that people are likely to ask why junior staff have apparently been fined for attending the same events as senior staff who haven't been fined is being critical of the Police.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: You're starting to sound a bit ranty Murph.
"Do you honestly think that's true leader leadership or that it's acceptable from the person who's supposed to set the tone for behaviour in Government?"
Lots of words but no answer.
Just joining you in not answering questions or being able to see through "we're not saying <insert something not supported by evidence> but... " bulls"Do you honestly think that's true leader leadership or that it's acceptable from the person who's supposed to set the tone for behaviour in Government?"
Lots of words but no answer.
t.And the reason? Because you use the same MO every time you start threads with your silly links and "not say"anything.
But, of course, that's not you being "ranty". Because you're on the side of the righteous and the good
The tragic thing is, you think it's everyone else being suckered.
(BTW, I already said Johnson is failing in top level leadership. Your salty cornflake tears likely missed as you wept for the female junior workers).
Murph7355 said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: The Police have been left to get on with it and quite rightly.
I don't think pointing out that people are likely to ask why junior staff have apparently been fined for attending the same events as senior staff who haven't been fined is being critical of the Police.
Who is it being critical of? I don't think pointing out that people are likely to ask why junior staff have apparently been fined for attending the same events as senior staff who haven't been fined is being critical of the Police.
Happy for others reading the latest "righteous and the good" and "salty cornflake tears" diatribe to form a view on who's ranting.
Murph7355 said:
(BTW, I already said Johnson is failing in top level leadership. Your salty cornflake tears likely missed as you wept for the female junior workers).
Sure but then you spend pages defending him and pretending to ‘add balance’ and also attacking anyone criticising him. 
Garvin said:
Peston has descended into the gutter with a tabloid type approach sacrificing what little credibility he ever had on financial matters on the alter of keeping viewers watching his TV programme. It happens to them all - Marr’s interviews degenerated, Raworth went the same way, I assume on trying too hard to get the Sunday morning spot permanently, and Kuenssberg will undoubtedly follow (although she’s probably already there).
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It’s all just a pantomime now.
Peston sacrificing what little credibility he ever had on financial matters? Yeah, right. <snip>
It’s all just a pantomime now.
He's had scoops, real ones. He is a brilliant investigative journalist. Most journos would kill for the awards he's been showered with. It is immaterial whether you like him or not. He's one of the most respected journos out there. He is Peston on Sunday. He's the jewel in ITN's crown.
On a story that broke on ITV News recently that received nationwide circulation, Peston was interviewed about it and took great pains, and more than once, to point out that it was sourced by a colleague. The man lacks the sort of conceit you seem to be suggesting. If he didn't like the way he was treated at ITN/ITV, he'd be snapped up.
As for not knowing anything about financial matters, read his book on Northern Rock. He was a City trader I seem to remember.
Pantomime indeed.
Randy Winkman said:
Clearly the people who were told to send the emails about the parties weren't in a position to say they were ambushed by cake.
https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/152807212...
bhstewie said:
You've actually taken the effort to upload this to your account? hstewie said:
digimeistter said:
bhstewie said:
You've actually taken the effort to upload this to your account? hstewie said:
digimeistter said:
bhstewie said:
You've actually taken the effort to upload this to your account? hstewie said:digimeistter said:
bhstewie said:
You've actually taken the effort to upload this to your account? hstewie said:I hate to rain on anyone's parade but if Sue Gray thought for a nano-second that a meeting with the PM was wrong or inappropriate she would not have attended. She held all the cards.
El stovey said:
Murph7355 said:
(BTW, I already said Johnson is failing in top level leadership. Your salty cornflake tears likely missed as you wept for the female junior workers).
Sure but then you spend pages defending him and pretending to ‘add balance’ and also attacking anyone criticising him. t articles you guys incessantly link to in your red mist."Attacking people"? Grow up.
Pastor Of Muppets said:
No big deal when all your time is spent on PH anyway.
I hate to rain on anyone's parade but if Sue Gray thought for a nano-second that a meeting with the PM was wrong or inappropriate she would not have attended. She held all the cards.
Nope. She must be bent. She's in on it. It's outrageous.I hate to rain on anyone's parade but if Sue Gray thought for a nano-second that a meeting with the PM was wrong or inappropriate she would not have attended. She held all the cards.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
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