Boris Johnson-Prime Minister (Vol 8)
Discussion
JeffreyD said:
Murph7355 said:
As I recall it, everyone said he was in ICU...didn't the two nurses say it?
I think the story was that he was in ICU but not on a ventilator.I mean I absolutely dispise the bellend but even I can see it's fair enough for the PM to get a bit of extra service.
There are some who are now so far at the edge of the spectrum that anything that happens will be lies or conspiracy.
Murph7355 said:
bmwmike said:
Nope, the met police were very obviously turning a blind eye or even at the parties, at some level but the NHS doesn't need to cover anything up. BJ was in hospital, probably preventative or out of an abundance of caution - not ICU though. ICU is a big step up in care. Patient confidentiality is par for the course for NHS, no need to cover anything up.
As I recall it, everyone said he was in ICU...didn't the two nurses say it?There is no doubt whatsoever that Johnson had Covid and ended up in ICU. Anyone still pushing the line that he was using it as a PR exercise or as a method of hiding from scrutiny really does need to step away from their keyboard and go and get some fresh air, or go for an invigorating drive in something sporty like, say, a BMW!
It does look as if, sadly, Johnson has survived Cakegate (at least for the time being). He really should have resigned. As far as I am concerned, leadership (at least in part) means setting the tone for how you expect others to behave within your organisation. Even with the most charitable of glasses on, Johnson enabled a culture of cavalier rule breaking and an utter disregard for how those same rules, brought in by his Government, were impacting the lives of ordinary folk.
I don't begrudge him his cake and a glass of plonk, nor do I get super frothy about raising a glass to a departing colleague, but at the same time everyone involved seems to have known it was wrong, but they did it anyway because Johnson either actively or tacitly gave his approval.
The real leadership, the real sacrifices were being shown and make by everyone else, from Monarch to commoner, but across the spectrum our political classes acted as if the rules either did not apply to them, or that they could find some mealy mouthed justification for stuff that they knew was wrong - and we know they knew it was wrong because they lied about it. They lied directly, They lied by omission, and they lied by failing to correct inaccuracies or false statements issued on their behalf.
In that sense, Starmer and his crew were/are no better than Johnson and his. It's frankly appalling that our choice of Government currently sits between two liars. Even if one lies more than the other, it's still a choice of what flavour s
t do you want in your sandwich? The cynics will say 'meh, politicians, what do you expect?' Well I say that, except in cases involving national security or similar (where I accept the need for a little economy with the actualité from time to time) , then I expect politicians to say and do the right and decent and honest thing, because, well, they are the right and decent and honest things to do, even if we the people might not always enjoy hearing it or seeing it done.
Never in all my life have I been so disenchanted with the state of British politics as I am today. We need a draining of the swamp, including the civil service. We need new people to come up. We need these people to remember who works for who. Sadly, I don't think we're going to get it though, at least not for the foreseeable.
My only hope lies within the utter ruthlessness of the Conservative Party. It's an election winning machine. Once it tunes in to the mood music in the country then Johnson and others will be toast. I just hope this means that someone can come through from the ranks that can really inspire and lead as a proper leader should.
Sadly, for Labour it's going to be the SKS and AR show for the time being, and I cannot conceive that they can win an election. Again, it's to be hoped that someone from the ranks can come through and really change things, but Labour's structure makes this very very difficult, especially after Milliband minor altered the process for electing the leader. Depressing.
Murph7355 said:
You can't even call it that, unless we know he was given treatment others didn't receive.
There are some who are now so far at the edge of the spectrum that anything that happens will be lies or conspiracy.
When someone so clearly lies as much as Johnson does I'm more surprised that people come this defence than I am over people who question everything.There are some who are now so far at the edge of the spectrum that anything that happens will be lies or conspiracy.
Tend to agree with that Andy.
Ironically the thing you and I (and Sue Gray) see as a failure of leadership might have been the thing that spared him from further FPN notices according to at least one legal commentator.
The lawyering-up of Boris Johnson – how the Prime Minister’s statement on the Sue Gray report may give clues to how he escaped more penalties
TL;DR his excuse for not following the rules was he was undertaking the "essential duties of leadership".
Ironically the thing you and I (and Sue Gray) see as a failure of leadership might have been the thing that spared him from further FPN notices according to at least one legal commentator.
The lawyering-up of Boris Johnson – how the Prime Minister’s statement on the Sue Gray report may give clues to how he escaped more penalties
TL;DR his excuse for not following the rules was he was undertaking the "essential duties of leadership".
Rufus Stone said:
bmwmike said:
Exactly. And i don't doubt he was ill, but i do doubt he ended up in ICU. It was highly convenient in setting the stage for the next lockdown. Plus, he is a liar. Look at the parties etc.
Oh he ended up in ICU alright. The question is did he need to be there?Murph7355 said:
Having seen the photos of these "parties", I seriously pity anyone who thinks they were. Apple juice, wine out of little plastic cups, a bottle or two of gin and supermarket sandwiches out of a packet. Tragic.
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I genuinely feel sorry for civil servants and politicians.
Not a whiff of DC10 or Estelle Maison for them
Re. Boris and covid and intensive care....
I fully believe Boris did have covid and wasn't very well, so much so that he had to go into intensive care. But at the time the media line was that it was touch and go whether he'd survive. This last bit is the bit I'm a bit dubious about, especially as it did his approval ratings wonders and was also perfectly on message with the line the government were trying to get across.
I fully believe Boris did have covid and wasn't very well, so much so that he had to go into intensive care. But at the time the media line was that it was touch and go whether he'd survive. This last bit is the bit I'm a bit dubious about, especially as it did his approval ratings wonders and was also perfectly on message with the line the government were trying to get across.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 27th May 14:37
hairykrishna said:
Rufus Stone said:
bmwmike said:
Exactly. And i don't doubt he was ill, but i do doubt he ended up in ICU. It was highly convenient in setting the stage for the next lockdown. Plus, he is a liar. Look at the parties etc.
Oh he ended up in ICU alright. The question is did he need to be there?"I can't do Prime Minister's Questions today, long Covid."
"17 parties in my house? Long Covid."
"I spuffed £30 billion up the wall, long Covid."
"Carrie, I've slept with your mom and two sisters, long Covid."
"I've accidently nuked France, long Covid"
"I'm generally f
king useless, long Covid."bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Sorry and humbled my arse.
Boris Johnson removes instruction to ministers to 'uphold the very highest standards of propriety' in new Ministerial Code foreword
Boris Johnson removes instruction to ministers to 'uphold the very highest standards of propriety' in new Ministerial Code foreword
You couldn't make it up.
ddom said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Sorry and humbled my arse.
Boris Johnson removes instruction to ministers to 'uphold the very highest standards of propriety' in new Ministerial Code foreword
Boris Johnson removes instruction to ministers to 'uphold the very highest standards of propriety' in new Ministerial Code foreword
You couldn't make it up.
Newarch said:
Re. Boris and covid and intensive care....
I fully believe Boris did have covid and wasn't very well, so much so that he had to go into intensive care. But at the time the media line was that it was touch and go whether he'd survive. This last bit is the bit I'm a bit dubious about, especially as it did his approval ratings wonders and was also perfectly on message with the line the government were trying to get across.
He wanted his own “Churchill Moment”.I fully believe Boris did have covid and wasn't very well, so much so that he had to go into intensive care. But at the time the media line was that it was touch and go whether he'd survive. This last bit is the bit I'm a bit dubious about, especially as it did his approval ratings wonders and was also perfectly on message with the line the government were trying to get across.
Edited by Newarch on Friday 27th May 14:37
greygoose said:
ddom said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Sorry and humbled my arse.
Boris Johnson removes instruction to ministers to 'uphold the very highest standards of propriety' in new Ministerial Code foreword
Boris Johnson removes instruction to ministers to 'uphold the very highest standards of propriety' in new Ministerial Code foreword
You couldn't make it up.
abzmike said:
greygoose said:
ddom said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: Sorry and humbled my arse.
Boris Johnson removes instruction to ministers to 'uphold the very highest standards of propriety' in new Ministerial Code foreword
Boris Johnson removes instruction to ministers to 'uphold the very highest standards of propriety' in new Ministerial Code foreword
You couldn't make it up.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:swisstoni said:
Ultimately, everyone will be able to let him ‘take full responsibility’ at the next GE.
Does that mean you just ignore crooked behaviour when it's done in plain sight?It's completely improper.
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