Boris Johnson-Prime Minister (Vol 8)
Discussion
Wombat3 said:
DeejRC said:
The 1922 mob are run by Sir G Brady (as opposed to his GOATness Sir T Brady), who is famous for never revealing or hinting at how many letters he has until the threshold is reached. I refer you all back to my various posts over the last few weeks as to what would now/will happen.
Boris won’t resign currently, he is still PM and commands power. He still had the personality type to believe he can fight a way out of this. The end will come from the traditional men in grey suits of the Tory Party. The 1922 mob will deliver the coup de grace. The Sue Grey enquiry gives them time and space to organise the runners and riders for the leadership. The Spring elections gives them a breakwater, you can effectively write them off and blame all on Boris. Perfect scapegoat.
Bottom line…a new PM is in place for summer and take advantage of the bounce back, opened up economy and good weather vibes. Everything bad goes on Boris and the good times are here again.
There are challenges to weather in the cost of living crisis, but you have a 5 month gap now to put a strategy and plan in place.
The alt is going hard and heavy now, but I just don’t see how that works strategy wise. The timescales mean that any new incumbent has no time to change anything prior to the Spring elections. They will walk straight into a hammering and you never launch a new leader into huge defeat.
That may well be spot on. Added to which the exercise can't be repeated for 12 months so candidates need time to prepare. It probably also pays to wait a bit to make sure all the revelations are out & see who is left unscathed. Boris won’t resign currently, he is still PM and commands power. He still had the personality type to believe he can fight a way out of this. The end will come from the traditional men in grey suits of the Tory Party. The 1922 mob will deliver the coup de grace. The Sue Grey enquiry gives them time and space to organise the runners and riders for the leadership. The Spring elections gives them a breakwater, you can effectively write them off and blame all on Boris. Perfect scapegoat.
Bottom line…a new PM is in place for summer and take advantage of the bounce back, opened up economy and good weather vibes. Everything bad goes on Boris and the good times are here again.
There are challenges to weather in the cost of living crisis, but you have a 5 month gap now to put a strategy and plan in place.
The alt is going hard and heavy now, but I just don’t see how that works strategy wise. The timescales mean that any new incumbent has no time to change anything prior to the Spring elections. They will walk straight into a hammering and you never launch a new leader into huge defeat.
t with him.But it looks like an awfully long time until May …
DeejRC said:
The timescales mean that any new incumbent has no time to change anything prior to the Spring elections. They will walk straight into a hammering and you never launch a new leader into huge defeat.
That is a perceptive analysis, in my opinion - only edited for brevity, apologies. UK local elections will be held on 5th May, by which time covid should have subsided and the shock of energy bills will have been priced in (the cap will rise in early April). It will be a low point for the Tories and Boris, allowing him to resign "Alas, my friends, I feel I have done all that I can", and someone else can have a go.Thing is, who? Rishi? Gove? In addition, how will they recruit a capable cabinet, given the dire quality of the current one?
MC Bodge said:
Oliver Dowden (what a wet lettuce) came out to bat on BBC for Johnson this morning.
He'll be taking one for the Big Dog soon.
If the reports in the Sunday Times are remotely true that Johnson sees himself as the victim here for having done no wrong, the strategy employed by Dowden makes sense. It's all about condemning "what" happened and attributing that to a "cultural" problem in no.10. The idea that Johnson is the man to repair a culture which he not only fostered but completely embodies is beside the point, apparently... In other news, Sid Vicious is being asked to re-write the national anthem....He'll be taking one for the Big Dog soon.
Edited by MC Bodge on Sunday 16th January 11:35
I get that people will say "is there a better alternative?". But that is no justification for keeping in post a man who cannot even now see what he has done wrong. Lest we forget, this is a man who criminalised leaving the house. Lest we forget, this is a man who sanctioned the use of shameful propaganda to spread fear amongst the population. Lest we not forget, this is a man who wanted to fine people £10k for breaching the rules concerning mass gatherings.
Whatever the law said, lockdown was a binding social contract between the state and it's citizens. That contract has been smashed to pieces by Johnson and he must now go. To do other than this will embolden him. Given what he has shown himself capable of in the last 24 months, I am genuinely fearful of what he may think is acceptable in the years ahead should he survive this. And I say this as a person inclined to the centre right....
ClaphamGT3 said:
That is fking brilliant 
And to note "This is our first foray into political satire. Because we are cross. It’s not party political.".
MC Bodge said:
Piers Morgan (yes, I know...), on BBC Sunday morning, made some good points about Johnson's hypocrisy and people's anger about it....before he went off into a rant about Harry and Meghan and then went in for some self-promotion 
Piers Morgan talking about morals and hypocrisy........from the man that hacked phones and published fake images and stories about our armed forces.MC Bodge said:
I wonder why Priti Patel didn't call the Police when she heard about these parties taking place? The cops were never far away.
The Home Secretary is only in office because she's a bully and Johnson condoned the bullying along with many people on here.She encouraged people to turn on their neighbours and inform on them if they broke the rules.
When her boss breaks the rules she accepts his apology and tells her colleagues they should do the same.
An utter moral vacuum along with everyone who condones the behaviour.
pquinn said:
The next obvious escalation will be reports about Boris shagging around during lockdown. At least that's something you wouldn't bet against.
Doubt any of the amateur efforts at policy distractions will help at all either. Far too late.
It does feel that somebody (Cummings?) is waiting for the right time to drop in a big revelation.Doubt any of the amateur efforts at policy distractions will help at all either. Far too late.
Boris “mustn’t” go now, because there is no point other than overinflated moral outrage. The overinflated bit is aimed squarely at those who want to and have jumped up and down at every Grr Boris moment and at those who jump on any “something must be done bandwagon”.
You never do something because something must be done, it invariably turns out to be poor policy.
Rule no 1 in British politics: the British public never votes on morality. It votes on pragmatic competence. Every time. Always. Ergo, the drive that something must happen NOW because of moral outrage is no reason to do anything.
So, it’s back to an orderly and managed transition. Nobody’s MP seat is under threat at this time, unless there is an sudden by election. Nobody votes at a GE based on what happened 2 yrs prior if there has been change since. The Tory party now has 3months to decide what and how it is doing it. The papers and opposition can hark and bluster all they want, but they are not in the driving seat. For that matter neither is Boris.
Nor, Stewie, would it help the downtrodden poor and the cost of living crisis if he was firmly in charge. Everything that happens from now till Spring cost wise is already baked in. It’s set, it’s done. It’s just suck it up time now and put measures in place to alleviate the other side. That happens from summer onwards.
This anger at the Queen alone for the funeral is real and that has done for Boris. But, as always, the Tory party will decide how it’s managed.
You never do something because something must be done, it invariably turns out to be poor policy.
Rule no 1 in British politics: the British public never votes on morality. It votes on pragmatic competence. Every time. Always. Ergo, the drive that something must happen NOW because of moral outrage is no reason to do anything.
So, it’s back to an orderly and managed transition. Nobody’s MP seat is under threat at this time, unless there is an sudden by election. Nobody votes at a GE based on what happened 2 yrs prior if there has been change since. The Tory party now has 3months to decide what and how it is doing it. The papers and opposition can hark and bluster all they want, but they are not in the driving seat. For that matter neither is Boris.
Nor, Stewie, would it help the downtrodden poor and the cost of living crisis if he was firmly in charge. Everything that happens from now till Spring cost wise is already baked in. It’s set, it’s done. It’s just suck it up time now and put measures in place to alleviate the other side. That happens from summer onwards.
This anger at the Queen alone for the funeral is real and that has done for Boris. But, as always, the Tory party will decide how it’s managed.
MC Bodge said:
Oliver Dowden (what a wet lettuce) came out to bat on BBC for Johnson this morning.
He'll be taking one for the Big Dog soon.
I thought the wet lettuce did quite well with Ms Raworth considering he was on a complete hiding to nothing.He'll be taking one for the Big Dog soon.
Edited by MC Bodge on Sunday 16th January 11:35
pitboard said:
He has to go, but who are the Conservative Party going to replace Johnson with? His inner circle are all either, corrupt, incompetent or thick, or a combination of the three. They sowed the seeds for all this when they became UKIP Lite.
Truss and Sunak seem to be favourites at the moment. Garvin said:
MC Bodge said:
Oliver Dowden (what a wet lettuce) came out to bat on BBC for Johnson this morning.
He'll be taking one for the Big Dog soon.
I thought the wet lettuce did quite well with Ms Raworth considering he was on a complete hiding to nothing.He'll be taking one for the Big Dog soon.
Edited by MC Bodge on Sunday 16th January 11:35
He was still a very wet lettuce, though.
I'm assuming that Kwasi Kwarteng is now refusing to do this sort of thing.
DeejRC said:
Nor, Stewie, would it help the downtrodden poor and the cost of living crisis if he was firmly in charge. Everything that happens from now till Spring cost wise is already baked in. It’s set, it’s done. It’s just suck it up time now and put measures in place to alleviate the other side. That happens from summer onwards.
Deej I try and be quite specific in my language.If he had any decency obviously he'd be gone now but we both know he doesn't have any and he'll be clinging onto the Downing Street doorframe by his fingernails until he's evicted by his own side.
He's toast and a couple of weeks or months is neither here nor there if the Government are dealing with the real issues that face the country in the meantime.
There's different elements to this and for me it's as much about the people still defending this s
tshow as it is the timing of his leaving.It's utterly shameful.
bhstewie said:
hstewie said:ClaphamGT3 said:
That is fking brilliant And to note "This is our first foray into political satire. Because we are cross. It’s not party political.".
El stovey said:
pitboard said:
He has to go, but who are the Conservative Party going to replace Johnson with? His inner circle are all either, corrupt, incompetent or thick, or a combination of the three. They sowed the seeds for all this when they became UKIP Lite.
Truss and Sunak seem to be favourites at the moment. I wonder about the cost of these weekly parties...
52 weeks x 2 glasses of wine per person (at £5 a bottle that's £1.66 per glass) x 20 people attending at least (they said it was on calender's of 50 people so just to be conservative) = £3452 per year.
Then there's the cheeseboard.
Tesco cheeseboard 8-12 people is £38.50
So.. £38.50 / 10 = £3.85 average per person, 52 weeks x £3.85 of cheese x 20 people = £4004
Total £7456 on piss-ups when they should be working on the economy and these are the unofficial piss-ups.
whilst its a drop in the ocean as they say, I don't think my taxes should be paying for that.
52 weeks x 2 glasses of wine per person (at £5 a bottle that's £1.66 per glass) x 20 people attending at least (they said it was on calender's of 50 people so just to be conservative) = £3452 per year.
Then there's the cheeseboard.
Tesco cheeseboard 8-12 people is £38.50
So.. £38.50 / 10 = £3.85 average per person, 52 weeks x £3.85 of cheese x 20 people = £4004
Total £7456 on piss-ups when they should be working on the economy and these are the unofficial piss-ups.
whilst its a drop in the ocean as they say, I don't think my taxes should be paying for that.
Russ T Bolt said:
El stovey said:
pitboard said:
He has to go, but who are the Conservative Party going to replace Johnson with? His inner circle are all either, corrupt, incompetent or thick, or a combination of the three. They sowed the seeds for all this when they became UKIP Lite.
Truss and Sunak seem to be favourites at the moment. 
The bookies odds are as follows looks like Javid is a bit higher there?
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