Boris Johnson-Prime Minister (Vol 8)
Discussion
pablo said:
Gove, to his credit, was the driver behind levelling up and really pushed for it. He vehemently believed in it and wanted it to succeed. I have a friend in the dept and they were all motivated, sadly the energy was sucked out in the summer of 22 when Clark and Clarke were in post
And I'm sure the fact that Boris had massive resentment towards Govey also played no small role. I heard very much the same as you too, but without proper leadership at the top it was always destined to fail.Prolex-UK said:
LBC reporting that Boris is thinking of taking legal action in this matter...
If i understand it correctly it was the people on his legal team that raised the issue.
Is it possible to do that?
I suspect for posturing and playing the victim to the right wing base just like his orange mate across the pond..If i understand it correctly it was the people on his legal team that raised the issue.
Is it possible to do that?
It will be interesting to see which lawyer would be willing to make a cogent argument and how they would phrase it.
Prolex-UK said:
LBC reporting that Boris is thinking of taking legal action in this matter...
If i understand it correctly it was the people on his legal team that raised the issue.
Is it possible to do that?
Probably thinking how he can get the taxpayer to pay for his additional legal costs…If i understand it correctly it was the people on his legal team that raised the issue.
Is it possible to do that?
DeejRC said:
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hstewie said:
hstewie said: I’m not frothing at this Deej he’s gone from public life and good riddance.
It’s just funny that his sponging ways seem to have backfired and his own defence lawyers have had to report him.
You have been frothing about him for 4yrs.It’s just funny that his sponging ways seem to have backfired and his own defence lawyers have had to report him.
Why do you think so many of us have been laughing at you?
I think the record suggests he has been correct about Boris's unsuitability for high office all along.
Are you laughing at being wrong about Boris yourself?
What a bizarre thing.
Face it he's done. There is no chance of your hero making a comeback.....
Mind you the conservative party and its members are probably mental enough to make me wrong.
robemcdonald said:
DeejRC said:
bhstewie said:
hstewie said: I’m not frothing at this Deej he’s gone from public life and good riddance.
It’s just funny that his sponging ways seem to have backfired and his own defence lawyers have had to report him.
You have been frothing about him for 4yrs.It’s just funny that his sponging ways seem to have backfired and his own defence lawyers have had to report him.
Why do you think so many of us have been laughing at you?
I think the record suggests he has been correct about Boris's unsuitability for high office all along.
Are you laughing at being wrong about Boris yourself?
What a bizarre thing.
Face it he's done. There is no chance of your hero making a comeback.....
Mind you the conservative party and its members are probably mental enough to make me wrong.
Look at the state of them, it’s his fault…
Top work!
pablo said:
cgt2 said:
I'm no fan of his but I believe he did intend for levelling up to be a real thing.
Unfortunately due to his shambolic leadership, lack of focus on issues, inability to understand budgets and being surrounded by incompetent sycophants rather than capable managerial talent it was never going to actually happen.
Gove, to his credit, was the driver behind levelling up and really pushed for it. He vehemently believed in it and wanted it to succeed. I have a friend in the dept and they were all motivated, sadly the energy was sucked out in the summer of 22 when Clark and Clarke were in postUnfortunately due to his shambolic leadership, lack of focus on issues, inability to understand budgets and being surrounded by incompetent sycophants rather than capable managerial talent it was never going to actually happen.
This person also said that it was very clear that Johnson never had the energy, discipline, focus and commitment to properly drive such a complex, multi-faceted, long-term project forward. He was always wanting immediate, positive, tangible results that looked good, kept up the optimistic buzz and went with his 'double thumbs up Prime Minister' image. Dom Cummings was the one who kept Johnson on track and actually provided the leadership and drive. But Cummings was a true believer in the high-spend, high-enterprise "Singapore-on-Tees" vision.
Once the pandemic hit, all the planning was for naught, then Cummings made his position untenable and was pushed out, and so the rudder fell off HMS Boris and it just began steaming in circles.
Now that's one person's perspective, and one person who was themselves maneuvered out of their position by party factional warring and the fall-out of various Johnson-related scandals, so take it with a pinch of salt. But the dots seem to join up nicely.
2xChevrons said:
I once had a long and interesting conversation with someone who (from before the 2019 GE to the spring of 2021) was a policy advisor to Johnson, working out of No.10. He said that as far as 'the office of Prime Minister' (and therefore the Conservative government elected in 2019) was concerned, levelling up was a genuine project that was being worked on with good faith and as the key over-riding project of the government. Dominic Cummings was the real brain behind it, who had the means, ways and reasons scoped out (and saw it as part of his 'disruptive' shake-up of the civil service, local government, the media and lots of other British establishments) and Gove was the one who was equally invested in it and really driving it from within the cabinet. Johnson himself liked and wanted the plan on some level . It appealed to his love of big, physical projects and he apparently had a sort of catch-phrase that he would fire at any sort of policy suggestion in any area which was "how will this help people in Stoke on Trent?". But this person was equally unsure how much, on Johnson's part, this stemmed from sincere belief in the need for and benefits of levelling up, how much it was recognising the electoral success of the strategy if it succeeded and how much it was a plan for opening up scope for him and his associates to be very wealth via government-funded projects.
This person also said that it was very clear that Johnson never had the energy, discipline, focus and commitment to properly drive such a complex, multi-faceted, long-term project forward. He was always wanting immediate, positive, tangible results that looked good, kept up the optimistic buzz and went with his 'double thumbs up Prime Minister' image. Dom Cummings was the one who kept Johnson on track and actually provided the leadership and drive. But Cummings was a true believer in the high-spend, high-enterprise "Singapore-on-Tees" vision.
Once the pandemic hit, all the planning was for naught, then Cummings made his position untenable and was pushed out, and so the rudder fell off HMS Boris and it just began steaming in circles.
Now that's one person's perspective, and one person who was themselves maneuvered out of their position by party factional warring and the fall-out of various Johnson-related scandals, so take it with a pinch of salt. But the dots seem to join up nicely.
I heard very much the same too from a similar source, hence my earlier comment.This person also said that it was very clear that Johnson never had the energy, discipline, focus and commitment to properly drive such a complex, multi-faceted, long-term project forward. He was always wanting immediate, positive, tangible results that looked good, kept up the optimistic buzz and went with his 'double thumbs up Prime Minister' image. Dom Cummings was the one who kept Johnson on track and actually provided the leadership and drive. But Cummings was a true believer in the high-spend, high-enterprise "Singapore-on-Tees" vision.
Once the pandemic hit, all the planning was for naught, then Cummings made his position untenable and was pushed out, and so the rudder fell off HMS Boris and it just began steaming in circles.
Now that's one person's perspective, and one person who was themselves maneuvered out of their position by party factional warring and the fall-out of various Johnson-related scandals, so take it with a pinch of salt. But the dots seem to join up nicely.
abzmike said:
Prolex-UK said:
We are paying for the new team though FFS
Well why wouldn't we? it's the least he deserves! 
Sounds like the covid inquiry is going to sue the Cabinet Office too... It's a great time to be a lawyer for sure...
So the chair of the Covid inquiry has threatened legal action threatened against the Government if they don't hand over his un-redacted WhatsApp messages and whilst Johnson is changing his lawyers we have his backers like Lord Cruddas insisting it's all a politically motivated plot by "the blob".
Meanwhile the Conservative Party are busy fighting one another.
Brilliant
Meanwhile the Conservative Party are busy fighting one another.
Brilliant
Joint second favourite to be the next leader
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-polit...
The Tory party is a truly strange organisation. On the one hand it is insane to even consider such folly. On the other hand who else have they got? Kemi Badenoch and Penny Mordaunt.
https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-polit...
The Tory party is a truly strange organisation. On the one hand it is insane to even consider such folly. On the other hand who else have they got? Kemi Badenoch and Penny Mordaunt.
I can't guess what Johnson wants. I don't think money would keep him there. Legacy? Noteriety? I suspect he is more interested in the game than the result.
I think his ego might just convince him he could turn it around. Or maybe he does like the idea of coming back as opposition leader. He isn't yet 60 so might think ha can come back in 2030? Churchill was 65 in 1939.
To the extent that he is onto something I think he is the closest of any modern potential Tory leader to bridging the gap between the party HQ and the membership, who have hated each other for decades and split along the same old fault line again after briefly looking like they had overcome it.
I think his ego might just convince him he could turn it around. Or maybe he does like the idea of coming back as opposition leader. He isn't yet 60 so might think ha can come back in 2030? Churchill was 65 in 1939.
To the extent that he is onto something I think he is the closest of any modern potential Tory leader to bridging the gap between the party HQ and the membership, who have hated each other for decades and split along the same old fault line again after briefly looking like they had overcome it.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
I can't guess what Johnson wants. I don't think money would keep him there. Legacy? Noteriety? I suspect he is more interested in the game than the result.
I think his ego might just convince him he could turn it around. Or maybe he does like the idea of coming back as opposition leader. He isn't yet 60 so might think ha can come back in 2030? Churchill was 65 in 1939.
To the extent that he is onto something I think he is the closest of any modern potential Tory leader to bridging the gap between the party HQ and the membership, who have hated each other for decades and split along the same old fault line again after briefly looking like they had overcome it.
He definitely sees himself as Churchillian. The only similarity I can see is their tummies.I think his ego might just convince him he could turn it around. Or maybe he does like the idea of coming back as opposition leader. He isn't yet 60 so might think ha can come back in 2030? Churchill was 65 in 1939.
To the extent that he is onto something I think he is the closest of any modern potential Tory leader to bridging the gap between the party HQ and the membership, who have hated each other for decades and split along the same old fault line again after briefly looking like they had overcome it.
cgt2 said:
JuanCarlosFandango said:
I can't guess what Johnson wants. I don't think money would keep him there. Legacy? Noteriety? I suspect he is more interested in the game than the result.
I think his ego might just convince him he could turn it around. Or maybe he does like the idea of coming back as opposition leader. He isn't yet 60 so might think ha can come back in 2030? Churchill was 65 in 1939.
To the extent that he is onto something I think he is the closest of any modern potential Tory leader to bridging the gap between the party HQ and the membership, who have hated each other for decades and split along the same old fault line again after briefly looking like they had overcome it.
He definitely sees himself as Churchillian. The only similarity I can see is their tummies.I think his ego might just convince him he could turn it around. Or maybe he does like the idea of coming back as opposition leader. He isn't yet 60 so might think ha can come back in 2030? Churchill was 65 in 1939.
To the extent that he is onto something I think he is the closest of any modern potential Tory leader to bridging the gap between the party HQ and the membership, who have hated each other for decades and split along the same old fault line again after briefly looking like they had overcome it.
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