45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 13)
Discussion
rdjohn said:
Exactly, and if it was later found to be a falsehood the lender would would take you to court.
In this instance it is the Manhattan DA (a political appointment) doing the prosecution.
Trump should have been quickly prosecuted for his incitement to riot and not upholding the Constitution in 2021. The current prosecution is just a side-show and, somehow, makes him look like the victim of a conspiracy by the Democrats. For him, there is no such thing as bad publicity.
Odd that you know that DA is a 'political appointment' (not sure why its relevant - perhaps you can expand.), yet you arnt aware that trumps m.o. is to delay everything as far as possible.In this instance it is the Manhattan DA (a political appointment) doing the prosecution.
Trump should have been quickly prosecuted for his incitement to riot and not upholding the Constitution in 2021. The current prosecution is just a side-show and, somehow, makes him look like the victim of a conspiracy by the Democrats. For him, there is no such thing as bad publicity.
Anyway do the answers to your post help clarify why its fraud?
Chimune said:
rdjohn said:
Exactly, and if it was later found to be a falsehood the lender would would take you to court.
In this instance it is the Manhattan DA (a political appointment) doing the prosecution.
Trump should have been quickly prosecuted for his incitement to riot and not upholding the Constitution in 2021. The current prosecution is just a side-show and, somehow, makes him look like the victim of a conspiracy by the Democrats. For him, there is no such thing as bad publicity.
Odd that you know that DA is a 'political appointment' (not sure why its relevant - perhaps you can expand.), yet you arnt aware that trumps m.o. is to delay everything as far as possible.In this instance it is the Manhattan DA (a political appointment) doing the prosecution.
Trump should have been quickly prosecuted for his incitement to riot and not upholding the Constitution in 2021. The current prosecution is just a side-show and, somehow, makes him look like the victim of a conspiracy by the Democrats. For him, there is no such thing as bad publicity.
Anyway do the answers to your post help clarify why its fraud?
She's prosecuting the current trump org fraud trial.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letitia_James
Manhatten DA - or the NY DA is Alvin Bragg, another elected position, not appointed. Bragg was sworn into office on 1 January 2022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_County_Dist...
Now Bragg is prosecuting trump for falsifying business records (34 counts) over his hush money payments to women and other people to hide his crimes.
Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 9th November 14:32
Good WP article on why the trials were delayed - because trump, or trump supporters. Pence for instance fought long and hard not to testify, as did Meadows etc.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/31...
Remember that the politicised DOJ under trump refused to indict a sitting president that was called trump, effectively granting trump immunity while he was in office. The same way he as individual #1 and co-conspirator got away without being charged in the same case Cohen was jailed for his part in trumps hush money payments.
That same decision stopped Mueller from prosecuting him after trump obstructed justice in the Russia investigation.
Also remember that trump only announced he was running last 16 Nov, when he was told he was facing indictment for the stolen docs that were recovered from magalago bathroom, trumps office, and other places. Purely so he could claim it was political and he could grift...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/31...
Remember that the politicised DOJ under trump refused to indict a sitting president that was called trump, effectively granting trump immunity while he was in office. The same way he as individual #1 and co-conspirator got away without being charged in the same case Cohen was jailed for his part in trumps hush money payments.
That same decision stopped Mueller from prosecuting him after trump obstructed justice in the Russia investigation.
Also remember that trump only announced he was running last 16 Nov, when he was told he was facing indictment for the stolen docs that were recovered from magalago bathroom, trumps office, and other places. Purely so he could claim it was political and he could grift...
Byker28i said:
Also remember that trump only announced he was running last 16 Nov, when he was told he was facing indictment for the stolen docs that were recovered from magalago bathroom, trumps office, and other places. Purely so he could claim it was political and he could grift...
Jojofromjerz nails it
LordLoveLength said:
Byker28i said:
Also remember that trump only announced he was running last 16 Nov, when he was told he was facing indictment for the stolen docs that were recovered from magalago bathroom, trumps office, and other places. Purely so he could claim it was political and he could grift...
Jojofromjerz nails itWell sometimes campaigning. He's doing the odd small, safe rally amongst cult members only. and Golf, lets not forget golf.
Well, well, the hypocrisy continues.
Seems Comer also paid his brother $200K, after trying to claim Biden loaning his brother money and being repaid shortly after was dodgy
Shell companies? Shady family transactions? Abuse of official power for family personal interest? It's not Biden
https://www.thedailybeast.com/james-comer-like-joe...
Summary as it's firewalled - sorry
"According to Kentucky property records, Comer and his own brother have engaged in land swaps related to their family farming business,"
In one deal for $200,000 and a shell company, Comer channeled extra money to his brother, seemingly from nothing. Other recent land swaps were quickly followed with new applications for special tax breaks, state records show. All of this related to the dealings of a family company that appears to have never existed on paper.
Seems Comer also paid his brother $200K, after trying to claim Biden loaning his brother money and being repaid shortly after was dodgy
Shell companies? Shady family transactions? Abuse of official power for family personal interest? It's not Biden
https://www.thedailybeast.com/james-comer-like-joe...
Summary as it's firewalled - sorry
"According to Kentucky property records, Comer and his own brother have engaged in land swaps related to their family farming business,"
In one deal for $200,000 and a shell company, Comer channeled extra money to his brother, seemingly from nothing. Other recent land swaps were quickly followed with new applications for special tax breaks, state records show. All of this related to the dealings of a family company that appears to have never existed on paper.
Edited by Byker28i on Thursday 9th November 15:26
98elise said:
5 In a Row said:
98elise said:
rdjohn said:
I cant stand Trump, but I do not get this court case.
When most people go to a lender, then the lender takes responsibility of ensuring that the collateral is sufficient to justify the loan.
It is clearly more complicated than showing you P60 and Rightmove advert to the Building Society, buy the principle should be the same.
Its called due-dilligence.
They can only go on the accounts and documentation you provide. When most people go to a lender, then the lender takes responsibility of ensuring that the collateral is sufficient to justify the loan.
It is clearly more complicated than showing you P60 and Rightmove advert to the Building Society, buy the principle should be the same.
Its called due-dilligence.
If you provide false documents you are committing fraud. The lender not spotting it doesn't mitigate your fraud.
It's like saying a thief shouldn't be prosecuted because the victim should have had better security.
Over here the bank would've appointed surveyors to carry out an independent valuation and then charged the client for the privilege.
I'm just pointing out the difference in approach between DB servicing their client Trump and RBS servicing their client of my former employer.
Chris Chritie last night summed it up.
Anybody who's going to be spending the next year and a half of their life focusing on keeping themselves out of jail and courtrooms cannot lead this party or this country.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1722423224875565191
Anybody who's going to be spending the next year and a half of their life focusing on keeping themselves out of jail and courtrooms cannot lead this party or this country.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1722423224875565191
Byker28i said:
Chris Chritie last night summed it up.
Anybody who's going to be spending the next year and a half of their life focusing on keeping themselves out of jail and courtrooms cannot lead this party or this country.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1722423224875565191
TBF he didn't much focus on that last time round. I guess he fitted some in between the golf. Good golfer. Champion. Winningest.Anybody who's going to be spending the next year and a half of their life focusing on keeping themselves out of jail and courtrooms cannot lead this party or this country.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1722423224875565191
Byker28i said:
Chris Chritie last night summed it up.
Anybody who's going to be spending the next year and a half of their life focusing on keeping themselves out of jail and courtrooms cannot lead this party or this country.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1722423224875565191
Tongue in cheekAnybody who's going to be spending the next year and a half of their life focusing on keeping themselves out of jail and courtrooms cannot lead this party or this country.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1722423224875565191
Oh I don't know.... When he gets back in next year all he has to do is to sign an executive order to expunge his (and any cronies) records of any wrongdoing. Then he can run the country.
Oh and put in a clause which states that he's not liable for anything; ever. And maybe extend that to whichever of his offspring toadies and fawns sufficiently.
5 In a Row said:
I quite agree.
I'm just pointing out the difference in approach between DB servicing their client Trump and RBS servicing their client of my former employer.
Banks are *much* more interested in your ability to make the monthly payments than in repossessing property if you fail. They're not in the real-estate business. Try applying for a mortgage with no proof of income...I'm just pointing out the difference in approach between DB servicing their client Trump and RBS servicing their client of my former employer.
Snoggledog said:
Tongue in cheek
Oh I don't know.... When he gets back in next year all he has to do is to sign an executive order to expunge his (and any cronies) records of any wrongdoing. Then he can run the country.
Oh and put in a clause which states that he's not liable for anything; ever. And maybe extend that to whichever of his offspring toadies and fawns sufficiently.
I'm sure he believes it's that simple.Oh I don't know.... When he gets back in next year all he has to do is to sign an executive order to expunge his (and any cronies) records of any wrongdoing. Then he can run the country.
Oh and put in a clause which states that he's not liable for anything; ever. And maybe extend that to whichever of his offspring toadies and fawns sufficiently.
But there are three branches of government...
M.
silentbrown said:
5 In a Row said:
I quite agree.
I'm just pointing out the difference in approach between DB servicing their client Trump and RBS servicing their client of my former employer.
Banks are *much* more interested in your ability to make the monthly payments than in repossessing property if you fail. They're not in the real-estate business. Try applying for a mortgage with no proof of income...I'm just pointing out the difference in approach between DB servicing their client Trump and RBS servicing their client of my former employer.
A bank absolutely wants to be clear on debt serviceability but they also need to know the downside and price their risk accordingly.
If Trump has been lying about his values, and the real valuations land, then the lender will quickly find he is in breach of his LTV and thus his loan covenants.
A lend over here will be reviewed by the risk team or investment committee and they will ask very clearly what the value in the event of default/ restricted marketing will be. They also ask what the value would be if the yield (or EBITDA multiple ) is sensitised.
I think I know who valued his Scottish crap. I hope they have caveated accordingly, if they signed off at his bogus numbers.
Mortarboard said:
I'm sure he believes it's that simple.
But there are three branches of government...
M.
Those three branches sound great and makes everyone feel like there’s no chance he could unleash a sBut there are three branches of government...
M.
tstorm. Why can’t he though? He’s one of the branches (Executive), the Legislative is Congress, but the GOP more or less control that currently and Judicial. That’s ultimately the Supreme Court and that has 9 judges, 6 GOP, 3 Dem. Three of the GOP ones are Trump appointments, so will quite possibly go with whatever he wants. I’m not sure the structure of the US government is as secure as they would hope.
I’ll probably get shouted at now for daring to have an opinion, but I think the idea that the US and the World are safe from this idiot are not as concrete as needed.
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