45th President Of The United States, Donald Trump (Vol. 13)

[LF5335]

Byker28i said:

That weaponisation again.
Remember hwo trump appointed FEC commissioners were trying to make it hard to investigate trumps campaign finance violations
https://theintercept.com/2023/09/12/fec-campaign-f...

Seems the FEC are giving trump a free pass to carry on doing the same
https://twitter.com/EllenLWeintraub/status/1722741...

That can’t be true though. I keep being told that there is only ever one set of laws and rules and that they always apply to everyone equally. Trump, never ever gets treated any differently, otherwise it would be anarchy.

[Bonefish Blues]

Byker28i said:

Biden needs to do more of this, what a difference to ranty man
https://twitter.com/i/status/1722706898217054655

That's a sharp mind right there

[Snoggledog]

cgt2 said:

Trump has no chance. He has lost in 2018,2020,2022, 2023 and every special election in that period in very red places. GA,AZ,NV are all blue now. Texas next. He is toxic. That was before all his present legal troubles and lack of fundraising income.

The media has to promote the narrative of him being a winner as it destroys their profit and bottom line if he is out of the picture.

Reality will bite soon enough, keep watching. Those pesky criminal charges have a way of spoiling many a person's grandiose plans.

Manchin is an irrelevant blowhard. Bye bye.

Apologies but the bit in bold doesn't make sense. Statements have been made on this thread that support for trump is (metaphorically) dropping like a lead balloon. If that's the case then it serves no real purpose to promote him as being the biggliest president eva because the audience is getting smaller and smaller, day by day. Media outlets aren't that dumb (apart from maybe Fox). They can see viewing figures and should have a fairly good view of which shows / topics / times etc are bringing in the biggest audience.

So it's either that the media have been completely hoodwinked, or his support isn't dropping like a lead balloon.

Mind you, I will admit that I'm looking at this from a UK perspective where the press tends to be a bit more balanced and slightly less sensational; so I could be completely wrong.

[Tony33]

Snoggledog said:

cgt2 said:

Trump has no chance. He has lost in 2018,2020,2022, 2023 and every special election in that period in very red places. GA,AZ,NV are all blue now. Texas next. He is toxic. That was before all his present legal troubles and lack of fundraising income.

The media has to promote the narrative of him being a winner as it destroys their profit and bottom line if he is out of the picture.

Reality will bite soon enough, keep watching. Those pesky criminal charges have a way of spoiling many a person's grandiose plans.

Manchin is an irrelevant blowhard. Bye bye.

Apologies but the bit in bold doesn't make sense. Statements have been made on this thread that support for trump is (metaphorically) dropping like a lead balloon. If that's the case then it serves no real purpose to promote him as being the biggliest president eva because the audience is getting smaller and smaller, day by day. Media outlets aren't that dumb (apart from maybe Fox). They can see viewing figures and should have a fairly good view of which shows / topics / times etc are bringing in the biggest audience.

So it's either that the media have been completely hoodwinked, or his support isn't dropping like a lead balloon.

Mind you, I will admit that I'm looking at this from a UK perspective where the press tends to be a bit more balanced and slightly less sensational; so I could be completely wrong.

To me it makes a lot of sense for the media to keep Trump seeming relevant and a potential winner to keep ratings up. Love him or hate him, people can't keep away from following what he is up to.

[conkerman]

Bonefish Blues said:

That's a sharp mind right there

Do you remember Ronald Regan?

[Bonefish Blues]

conkerman said:

Bonefish Blues said:

That's a sharp mind right there

Do you remember Ronald Regan?

Yes, he was too, until he wasn't, albeit he still used to repeat his old lines. That seemed spontaneous to me.

[conkerman]

Ah.

I thought you were being sarcastic. Carry on.

I quite like Joe. Sure he is getting on a bit and isn't the best speaker, but he knows how to behave and seems to listen to his advisors, unlike the Donny.

Edited by conkerman on Friday 10th November 10:56

[Snoggledog]

Tony33 said:

Snoggledog said:

cgt2 said:

Trump has no chance. He has lost in 2018,2020,2022, 2023 and every special election in that period in very red places. GA,AZ,NV are all blue now. Texas next. He is toxic. That was before all his present legal troubles and lack of fundraising income.

The media has to promote the narrative of him being a winner as it destroys their profit and bottom line if he is out of the picture.

Reality will bite soon enough, keep watching. Those pesky criminal charges have a way of spoiling many a person's grandiose plans.

Manchin is an irrelevant blowhard. Bye bye.

Apologies but the bit in bold doesn't make sense. Statements have been made on this thread that support for trump is (metaphorically) dropping like a lead balloon. If that's the case then it serves no real purpose to promote him as being the biggliest president eva because the audience is getting smaller and smaller, day by day. Media outlets aren't that dumb (apart from maybe Fox). They can see viewing figures and should have a fairly good view of which shows / topics / times etc are bringing in the biggest audience.

So it's either that the media have been completely hoodwinked, or his support isn't dropping like a lead balloon.

Mind you, I will admit that I'm looking at this from a UK perspective where the press tends to be a bit more balanced and slightly less sensational; so I could be completely wrong.

To me it makes a lot of sense for the media to keep Trump seeming relevant and a potential winner to keep ratings up. Love him or hate him, people can't keep away from following what he is up to.

Yeah, I suppose so. A bit like this thread he's the inhuman version of crack cocaine

[oddman]

Bonefish Blues said:

Byker28i said:

Biden needs to do more of this, what a difference to ranty man
https://twitter.com/i/status/1722706898217054655

That's a sharp mind right there

As well as the spontaneity, there's warmth and self deprecation as well. Two human qualities you never see in trump

[vaud]

oddman said:

As well as the spontaneity, there's warmth and self deprecation as well. Two human qualities you never see in trump

Reagan as a great communicator, and had his stash of one-liners that he used to great effect.
Bush mk2 could be pretty funny
Obama too.

I used to watch the White House correspondents dinner each year and see how much a president was willing to be made fun of.

[Killer2005]

vaud said:

oddman said:

As well as the spontaneity, there's warmth and self deprecation as well. Two human qualities you never see in trump

Reagan as a great communicator, and had his stash of one-liners that he used to great effect.
Bush mk2 could be pretty funny
Obama too.

I used to watch the White House correspondents dinner each year and see how much a president was willing to be made fun of.

Appears there's only one President who refused to go..

[Bonefish Blues]

Killer2005 said:

vaud said:

oddman said:

As well as the spontaneity, there's warmth and self deprecation as well. Two human qualities you never see in trump

Reagan as a great communicator, and had his stash of one-liners that he used to great effect.
Bush mk2 could be pretty funny
Obama too.

I used to watch the White House correspondents dinner each year and see how much a president was willing to be made fun of.

Appears there's only one President who refused to go..

Remember the Obama ridicule of Trump there?

https://youtu.be/HHckZCxdRkA?si=IcrRC-iahXXx8z79

And again

https://youtu.be/Uy7mg6vBqUI?si=RjU0suonR5oPPOmW

[vaud]

Killer2005 said:

Appears there's only one President who refused to go..

Indeed.

[cgt2]

Snoggledog said:

Apologies but the bit in bold doesn't make sense. Statements have been made on this thread that support for trump is (metaphorically) dropping like a lead balloon. If that's the case then it serves no real purpose to promote him as being the biggliest president eva because the audience is getting smaller and smaller, day by day. Media outlets aren't that dumb (apart from maybe Fox). They can see viewing figures and should have a fairly good view of which shows / topics / times etc are bringing in the biggest audience.

So it's either that the media have been completely hoodwinked, or his support isn't dropping like a lead balloon.

Mind you, I will admit that I'm looking at this from a UK perspective where the press tends to be a bit more balanced and slightly less sensational; so I could be completely wrong.

Look at their ad revenues, clicks and engagement prior to Trump. All these outlets have had incredible profits ever since Trump came on the scene. If he disappears so does a large chunk of their profit, ratings and income stream. The reality is that Biden or any other politician simply isn't exciting enough to draw numbers. It will kill their huge income numbers stone dead as policy isn't sexy.

The evidence is right in front of our eyes. They daily manufacture bullst stories just to drive the news cycle.

Remember for 48 hours the "BREAKING NEWS" wall to wall coverage of Trump becoming Speaker? Completely false story, was never going to happen. I can give you another 50 examples of huge breaking news stories that turned out to be nothing.

Trump is the most toxic and unpopular (other than with a shrinking,ageing minority) politician in the US who has zero chance of being reelected. Savvy political analysts are well aware of this. Yet on TV the bullst factory suggests he can be President from a jail cell.

These media companies are the same ones who conduct polls. They have consistently been dead wrong every single time and yet people believe them. If you look at other metrics, not least of all actual election results and fundraising numbers it is fairly evident that Trump is floundering. But the corporations will milk him as long as they can since they know a world without Trump kills their income.

People talk about Fox but CNN is also particularly bad at this too and NBC isn't far behind.

Democrats just had more huge election wins this week, further confirmation of the reality. Yet all the talk on the news channels is Biden's age. How much actual analysis has there been of why they won (in some very red places) how that plays into 2024 and analysis of voter demographics? NONE.

Time after time they hype polls and narratives that turn out not to be slightly inaccurate but the complete opposite of the reality on the ground. When Trump fails to become the nominee and is indicted criminally next Summer there will likely be some TV execs jumping off buildings as there is no way they will be able to sustain the numbers their bosses now take for granted.

[Crook]

Bonefish Blues said:

Remember the Obama ridicule of Trump there?

https://youtu.be/HHckZCxdRkA?si=IcrRC-iahXXx8z79

And again

https://youtu.be/Uy7mg6vBqUI?si=RjU0suonR5oPPOmW

It’s hard to comprehend how far the office of the President fell.

Also, origin story right there!

[Bonefish Blues]

Different class

[Mortarboard]

It would be interesting to see if trumps fundraising is in addition to (as opposed to merely being a part of) the GOP fundraising efforts.
It'll be clearer post-primary, of course.

M.

[cgt2]

Mortarboard said:

It would be interesting to see if trumps fundraising is in addition to (as opposed to merely being a part of) the GOP fundraising efforts.
It'll be clearer post-primary, of course.

M.

Both appear to be well below 2020 levels, hence local GOP organisations going broke.

All of the bigger donors appear to have abandoned them and Trump in particular so their reliance is on small dollar donors which will never raise enough to play on a level field. After milking the system for a decade that is why Republicans are now suddenly discussing donor caps, simply because they cannot raise money.

Republican megadonors also seem shy after piling money into DeSantis as an alternative to Trump. They would have been better just setting fire to it instead for all that has gained them.

[Mortarboard]

cgt2 said:

Both appear to be well below 2020 levels, hence local GOP organisations going broke.

And of course, trumps funds are mainly going to defense lawyers.

Perhaps this will be when the penny drops for the gop that having trump as the candidate means far less campaign spending in 2024?

M.

[cgt2]

Adelson dead, Wynn taken out, Kochs out and now Thiel who was the last big donor left.

Trump will not have money for lawyers at this rate, forget his fake 'campaign'. But don't expect to see this reported on CNN..

Billionaire Republican donor Peter Thiel regrets supporting Trump for president:

“Voting for Trump was like a not very articulate scream for help. There are a lot of things I got wrong.”, he told The Atlantic.

On the Trump administration: “It was crazier than I thought. It was more dangerous than I thought. They couldn’t get the most basic pieces of the government to work. So that was—I think that part was maybe worse than even my low expectations.”

Thiel also said he won’t support the corrupt former president in the next year's election.