CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)
Discussion
grumbledoak said:
The Imperial College model explained -
They have progressed from junk science to joke science.
Aah yes, Imperial College, that bastion of reliable models where every one they do turns out to be be wrong by a Ferguson!They have progressed from junk science to joke science.
I am not sure that people will ever work it out, that the truth will ever be told, that Ferguson will admit that he was totally wrong and that the media were complicit in helping create the fear from his lies.
I wonder what would have happened if Johnson had never been told about the 500,000 deaths that would be seen? I am convinced that that is what changed him to change strategy at the start.
Fever has gone for now, approx 36 hours after it arrived.
first infection fever in December lasted for three days then came back on and off and another two.
Bed ridden still, body pains and aches are as bad as first find, the stuff coming up out of my lungs remains rated but I can breathe through my nose this time, first time around my nose was blocked solid for three days.
Carl_Manchester said:
Fever has gone for now, approx 36 hours after it arrived.
first infection fever in December lasted for three days then came back on and off and another two.
Bed ridden still, body pains and aches are as bad as first find, the stuff coming up out of my lungs remains rated but I can breathe through my nose this time, first time around my nose was blocked solid for three days.
First time I had it in March ‘20 I was similar. Struggled for two days and felt like the day after a heavy weights session (should have been in bed but I had a heavily pregnant wife and our kids to look after). Coughing up about 250ml of gunk each morning, and felt like I was going to drown in my own mucus at night which wasn’t pleasant! I can see why many of the frail were hit hard as they lose the reflex to cough up. I’d describe it as a very bad cold or slight flu. first infection fever in December lasted for three days then came back on and off and another two.
Bed ridden still, body pains and aches are as bad as first find, the stuff coming up out of my lungs remains rated but I can breathe through my nose this time, first time around my nose was blocked solid for three days.
Following infections I only knew about as my wife was having to have a PCR test if she showed any signs of a cough/sniffle for work. Otherwise I’d have thought they were a cold / hay fever.
Hope you feel better soon
Rufus Stone said:
grumbledoak said:
The Imperial College model explained -
They have progressed from junk science to joke science.
Looks decidedly dodgy to me, and I'm a supporter of the vaccines.They have progressed from junk science to joke science.
And don't forget we are far more open since, say, April 2021.
Grey bar looks a stretch, but if accept the vaccine reduces the IFR in the elderly (which is where the vaccination roll out should have been left) then it has definitely saved some lives (in that cohort)
So is it fair to say we would be looking at a line somewhere between the red and the grey?
Alternatively I guess, the heavy damage was done prior to vaccination, so it was always a law of diminishing returns?
Overall:
I'm glad my parents had it.
I think I was misled - I took it to reduce my chances of passing it on to my vunerable wife. We've both had it twice now, despite her 4 jabs to my 2. TBF to her jabs they *may* have helped delay her 2nd infection by around a month, which is important because reasons
I really wish my kids hadn't taken it (their body their choice - but seeing as they had survived an infection at the time I dont think the vaccine added much. Certainly not the much touted super immunity touted for vax + infection. Do we routinely vaccinate for anything we have a prior exposure to?)
https://twitter.com/davidzweig/status/154087110957...
said:
It's hard to overstate the statistical anomaly required for this claim to be true
johnboy1975 said:
https://twitter.com/davidzweig/status/154087110957...
The name of the doctor made me chuckle said:
It's hard to overstate the statistical anomaly required for this claim to be true
BabySharkDooDooDooDooDooDoo said:
Carl_Manchester said:
Fever has gone for now, approx 36 hours after it arrived.
first infection fever in December lasted for three days then came back on and off and another two.
Bed ridden still, body pains and aches are as bad as first find, the stuff coming up out of my lungs remains rated but I can breathe through my nose this time, first time around my nose was blocked solid for three days.
First time I had it in March ‘20 I was similar. Struggled for two days and felt like the day after a heavy weights session (should have been in bed but I had a heavily pregnant wife and our kids to look after). Coughing up about 250ml of gunk each morning, and felt like I was going to drown in my own mucus at night which wasn’t pleasant! I can see why many of the frail were hit hard as they lose the reflex to cough up. I’d describe it as a very bad cold or slight flu. first infection fever in December lasted for three days then came back on and off and another two.
Bed ridden still, body pains and aches are as bad as first find, the stuff coming up out of my lungs remains rated but I can breathe through my nose this time, first time around my nose was blocked solid for three days.
Following infections I only knew about as my wife was having to have a PCR test if she showed any signs of a cough/sniffle for work. Otherwise I’d have thought they were a cold / hay fever.
Hope you feel better soon
Carl_Manchester said:
We need some new Vaccines but the damn thing mutates quicker than we can get them launched.
Actually we don't need 'some new vaccines' but it simply needs to cycle enough times through the population such that it is 'just another cold'. The strange belief that a new and fancy vaccine is going to meaningfully change whatever covid is doing is frankly bizarre because there is absolutely zero evidence that shows that there is pretty much ever going to be lasting infection immunity from any coronavirus.
Personally, I think the natural immunity argument only works if you do actually get natural immunity through infection.
I think the emerging problem with these new mutations is that, you don't actually get natural immunity through infection.
I don't really want to go through this process every six months and end up in bed, if these new boosters work for the new variants I will be taking one.
I needed to take a booster shot due to Spanish law but they need to wake up.
The Pfizer boosters protection has been pretty lame against these new variants, whichever one I have picked up.
I think the emerging problem with these new mutations is that, you don't actually get natural immunity through infection.
I don't really want to go through this process every six months and end up in bed, if these new boosters work for the new variants I will be taking one.
I needed to take a booster shot due to Spanish law but they need to wake up.
The Pfizer boosters protection has been pretty lame against these new variants, whichever one I have picked up.
Carl_Manchester said:
Personally, I think the natural immunity argument only works if you do actually get natural immunity through infection.
I think the emerging problem with these new mutations is that, you don't actually get natural immunity through infection..
So you actually truly think that some magical new vaccine is going to stop you from getting infected by whatever new variant that may or may not occur?I think the emerging problem with these new mutations is that, you don't actually get natural immunity through infection..
Carl_Manchester said:
Infected? No. Stuck in bed/quarantined from my family in a bedroom for five days? Yes.
Keep in mind whilst all this is going on I can't help with the children either.
I can tell you something now, natural immunity ain't the answer for me, if a new shot comes out I am having it.
Keep in mind whilst all this is going on I can't help with the children either.
I can tell you something now, natural immunity ain't the answer for me, if a new shot comes out I am having it.
Carl_Manchester said:
Infected? No. Stuck in bed/quarantined from my family in a bedroom for five days? Yes.
Keep in mind whilst all this is going on I can't help with the children either.
I can tell you something now, natural immunity ain't the answer for me, if a new shot comes out I am having it.
Stopped reading this thread ages ago as its signal to noise ratio isn't great but dipped in today as I'm coming out of my second case of Covid. Worse than the first one which I barely noticed, not too bad this time either, but when I was sitting in my armchair and my Apple Watch registered my HR at 110 (normal is low 50's when seated) I knew that even if I felt ok my body was working damn hard to make sure I felt that way. Add on I'm post an operation with stitches that haven't recovered yet, it has been an interesting week, and with both gone I'm a bit demob happy. Keep in mind whilst all this is going on I can't help with the children either.
I can tell you something now, natural immunity ain't the answer for me, if a new shot comes out I am having it.
Didn't help we'd four foreign family visiting and staying the last fortnight too. They brought the covid in, I don't blame them for that, it's out there and it's just a case of when not if, but it was a s
t holiday for two of them having to live between one of our bedrooms and one of our bathrooms for half the holiday. But worst was probably trying to explain to their Granda who didn't give a st about covid that he had to stay away because nobody in the house could live with the thought that they'd infected him even though he hadn't seen his grandkids in three years.Many like to pretend Covid is becoming equivalent to the common cold now, it really isn't.
Separately those complaining about vaccines by setting up artificial measures are just t
ts and not worth listening to.roger.mellie said:
Carl_Manchester said:
Infected? No. Stuck in bed/quarantined from my family in a bedroom for five days? Yes.
Keep in mind whilst all this is going on I can't help with the children either.
I can tell you something now, natural immunity ain't the answer for me, if a new shot comes out I am having it.
Stopped reading this thread ages ago as its signal to noise ratio isn't great but dipped in today as I'm coming out of my second case of Covid. Worse than the first one which I barely noticed, not too bad this time either, but when I was sitting in my armchair and my Apple Watch registered my HR at 110 (normal is low 50's when seated) I knew that even if I felt ok my body was working damn hard to make sure I felt that way. Add on I'm post an operation with stitches that haven't recovered yet, it has been an interesting week, and with both gone I'm a bit demob happy. Keep in mind whilst all this is going on I can't help with the children either.
I can tell you something now, natural immunity ain't the answer for me, if a new shot comes out I am having it.
Didn't help we'd four foreign family visiting and staying the last fortnight too. They brought the covid in, I don't blame them for that, it's out there and it's just a case of when not if, but it was a s
t holiday for two of them having to live between one of our bedrooms and one of our bathrooms for half the holiday. But worst was probably trying to explain to their Granda who didn't give a st about covid that he had to stay away because nobody in the house could live with the thought that they'd infected him even though he hadn't seen his grandkids in three years.Many like to pretend Covid is becoming equivalent to the common cold now, it really isn't.
Separately those complaining about vaccines by setting up artificial measures are just t
ts and not worth listening to.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff