CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)
Discussion
alangla said:
Sturgeon’s chief clinical adviser seems to have changed his position a bit https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/03/19/cl...
The dentist turned public health expert often fielded questions alongside Nicola Sturgeon during her near-daily televised briefings, regularly urging Scots to stick to stricter rules than had been put in place elsewhere in the UK.He quickly became one of the faces of the pandemic north of the border, appearing in public health campaigns and regularly being interviewed on TV and radio. Opponents of the SNP accused him of becoming a mouthpiece for Ms Sturgeon as he sought to justify SNP ministers’ decisions and appeared to enjoy the limelight.
Yet another completely unqualified person turns out to have been just enjoying his 15 minutes of fame (look mum, I'm on the tellybox!) and the ability to tell people off en masse.
JuanCarlosFandango said:
What I find funny about those who call everyone conspiracy theorists is when they launch into this fantasy that any opposition to their pet causes is surely driven by a cabal of Russian security agents, US far right groups and rogue billionaires who congregate on Tufton Street to spread misinformation that undermines their noble plans. Conspiracy Theorist's secret plan to take over the world.
That is rather ironic.In reality, and having looked at the other thread, "Conspiracy Theorist" seems to have morphed to "doesn't agree with the accepted wisdom of all right thinking people".
Fifteen minute cities are the classic example. If you don't think that every urban area in the whole country would be better if it resembles Central London you are a "CT" apparently. Not someone that quite likes the freedom to drive places and has a different point of view on what their local area should be like.
Apologies if already posted
Denials by Fauci and Collins of Supporting Gain-of-Function Research Are "Brazenly Untruthful"
https://davidzweig.substack.com/p/denials-by-fauci...
Denials by Fauci and Collins of Supporting Gain-of-Function Research Are "Brazenly Untruthful"
https://davidzweig.substack.com/p/denials-by-fauci...
A little anecdote from earlier today, if I may.
I attended my local hospital for an outpatients appointment. After seeing the consultant, she sent me off to have a blood test in the same department. However, the nurse guarding the entrance to the blood test cubicle stood in my way and demanded that I put on a mask. I politely declined, but she point blank refused to let me have the blood test in my unmasked state. "It's the law, luvvie" she said. Which is a lie. Luvvie.
Fortunately, there's another blood test facility (or Phlebotomy as they call it) which you can go to instead, which I did. No mention of masks, very quickly and efficiently done and I was on my way.
For anyone who thinks we're done with Covid, well the NHS doesn't agree (or at least, one department doesn't) and is prepared to refuse treatment to patients unless you comply with their rules about those magical masks. The madness isn't over, folks.
I attended my local hospital for an outpatients appointment. After seeing the consultant, she sent me off to have a blood test in the same department. However, the nurse guarding the entrance to the blood test cubicle stood in my way and demanded that I put on a mask. I politely declined, but she point blank refused to let me have the blood test in my unmasked state. "It's the law, luvvie" she said. Which is a lie. Luvvie.
Fortunately, there's another blood test facility (or Phlebotomy as they call it) which you can go to instead, which I did. No mention of masks, very quickly and efficiently done and I was on my way.
For anyone who thinks we're done with Covid, well the NHS doesn't agree (or at least, one department doesn't) and is prepared to refuse treatment to patients unless you comply with their rules about those magical masks. The madness isn't over, folks.
Yep. It ain't over. Our office cleaners didn't come over the weekend - apparently they all tested +ve for covid, so the place is a f
king mess. What I don't understand, is that they left a message saying they felt OK - the office is closed & empty over the weekend, so there was no chance of infecting anyone else. More to the point, it seems a lot of people still test themselves - is there still a decent market for the test kits?
king mess. What I don't understand, is that they left a message saying they felt OK - the office is closed & empty over the weekend, so there was no chance of infecting anyone else. More to the point, it seems a lot of people still test themselves - is there still a decent market for the test kits? PurplePangolin said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Your question was already dealt with in the post you replied to.
The US Govt lost its mind over vaccine mandates. They will drop any remain restrictions in due course, but it is politically important that they are seen to do this on their terms. They cannot be seen to give in to a high profile 'anti-vaxxer' like Djokovic, so he must continue to be punished no matter how idiotic that appears. It is more important that he does not win.
“Give in”. “Punished”.The US Govt lost its mind over vaccine mandates. They will drop any remain restrictions in due course, but it is politically important that they are seen to do this on their terms. They cannot be seen to give in to a high profile 'anti-vaxxer' like Djokovic, so he must continue to be punished no matter how idiotic that appears. It is more important that he does not win.
Quite mad.
king nothing about itGet some perspective.
Elysium said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Your question was already dealt with in the post you replied to.
The US Govt lost its mind over vaccine mandates. They will drop any remain restrictions in due course, but it is politically important that they are seen to do this on their terms. They cannot be seen to give in to a high profile 'anti-vaxxer' like Djokovic, so he must continue to be punished no matter how idiotic that appears. It is more important that he does not win.
“Give in”. “Punished”.The US Govt lost its mind over vaccine mandates. They will drop any remain restrictions in due course, but it is politically important that they are seen to do this on their terms. They cannot be seen to give in to a high profile 'anti-vaxxer' like Djokovic, so he must continue to be punished no matter how idiotic that appears. It is more important that he does not win.
Quite mad.
As I said at the very beginning of this discussion, it is performative virtue signalling.
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Your question was already dealt with in the post you replied to.
The US Govt lost its mind over vaccine mandates. They will drop any remain restrictions in due course, but it is politically important that they are seen to do this on their terms. They cannot be seen to give in to a high profile 'anti-vaxxer' like Djokovic, so he must continue to be punished no matter how idiotic that appears. It is more important that he does not win.
“Give in”. “Punished”.The US Govt lost its mind over vaccine mandates. They will drop any remain restrictions in due course, but it is politically important that they are seen to do this on their terms. They cannot be seen to give in to a high profile 'anti-vaxxer' like Djokovic, so he must continue to be punished no matter how idiotic that appears. It is more important that he does not win.
Quite mad.
As I said at the very beginning of this discussion, it is performative virtue signalling.
You have agreed already that the rules no longer serve any practical purpose. So it is difficult to reach the conclusion that they are anything other than performative.
Roman Rhodes said:
They seem almost entirely pointless at this stage.
Roman Rhodes said:
Interesting that you’ve decided what is and isn’t a conspiracy theory - after you’ve posted and supported conspiracy theories. Perhaps you’re just ‘asking questions’…..
By all means look up the definition of conspiracy theory and then ask yourself whether either point qualifies for that definition.If you still feel that questioning whether the motivations of an individual, organization or government are what they publicly proclaim them to be qualifies, then I'm entirely comfortable with you labelling me accordingly.
Out of interest do you have any "conspiracy theories" of your own, or do you just accept everything you are told at face value?
Elysium said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Roman Rhodes said:
Elysium said:
Your question was already dealt with in the post you replied to.
The US Govt lost its mind over vaccine mandates. They will drop any remain restrictions in due course, but it is politically important that they are seen to do this on their terms. They cannot be seen to give in to a high profile 'anti-vaxxer' like Djokovic, so he must continue to be punished no matter how idiotic that appears. It is more important that he does not win.
“Give in”. “Punished”.The US Govt lost its mind over vaccine mandates. They will drop any remain restrictions in due course, but it is politically important that they are seen to do this on their terms. They cannot be seen to give in to a high profile 'anti-vaxxer' like Djokovic, so he must continue to be punished no matter how idiotic that appears. It is more important that he does not win.
Quite mad.
As I said at the very beginning of this discussion, it is performative virtue signalling.
You have agreed already that the rules no longer serve any practical purpose. So it is difficult to reach the conclusion that they are anything other than performative.
Roman Rhodes said:
They seem almost entirely pointless at this stage.
A balanced person can see that treating one high-profile individual the same as everybody else is not "making an example of them", "punishing them", refusing to "give in" or any of the other hyperbolic nonsense being posted. Unfortunately, you're so unbalanced and bent out of shape about Covid in general that you can't see it.
There's been one very weak assertion that it would be in the US's "national interest" to allow Djokovic entry and that's it. If you or anyone else has evidence that he has been discriminated against and treated differently to any other unvaccinated person then please post it up.
SWoll said:
By all means look up the definition of conspiracy theory and then ask yourself whether either point qualifies for that definition.
If you still feel that questioning whether the motivations of an individual, organization or government are what they publicly proclaim them to be qualifies, then I'm entirely comfortable with you labelling me accordingly.
Out of interest do you have any "conspiracy theories" of your own, or do you just accept everything you are told at face value?
I don't conflate not having conspiracy theories with "just accepting everything I'm told at face value".If you still feel that questioning whether the motivations of an individual, organization or government are what they publicly proclaim them to be qualifies, then I'm entirely comfortable with you labelling me accordingly.
Out of interest do you have any "conspiracy theories" of your own, or do you just accept everything you are told at face value?
Again, if you have any evidence to support the view that Djokovic has been singled out for punishment and made an example of then please post it up.
I've got to admit all this labelling of a view you disagree with as a "Conspiracy Theory" is getting mighty tedious.
What happened to "I see things differently, and here is why...."
I get that might involve posts of more than one or two lines, but c'mon, we're all friends here - you can push the boat out.
What happened to "I see things differently, and here is why...."
I get that might involve posts of more than one or two lines, but c'mon, we're all friends here - you can push the boat out.
bodhi said:
I've got to admit all this labelling of a view you disagree with as a "Conspiracy Theory" is getting mighty tedious.
What happened to "I see things differently, and here is why...."
I get that might involve posts of more than one or two lines, but c'mon, we're all friends here - you can push the boat out.
RR is simply an appeal to authority type. What happened to "I see things differently, and here is why...."
I get that might involve posts of more than one or two lines, but c'mon, we're all friends here - you can push the boat out.
bodhi said:
I've got to admit all this labelling of a view you disagree with as a "Conspiracy Theory" is getting mighty tedious.
What happened to "I see things differently, and here is why...."
I get that might involve posts of more than one or two lines, but c'mon, we're all friends here - you can push the boat out.
If someone makes a fairly wild claim without any supporting evidence I don't see the problem with going straight to 'conspiracy theory'.What happened to "I see things differently, and here is why...."
I get that might involve posts of more than one or two lines, but c'mon, we're all friends here - you can push the boat out.
I also don't see much (any?) evidence of this "labelling" you mention.
KAgantua said:
Roman Rhodes said:
PurplePangolin said:
RR is simply an appeal to authority type.
A bizarre claim - with no evidence (there is a trend here!).Are you 'just asking questions'?
Hants PHer said:
A little anecdote from earlier today, if I may.
I attended my local hospital for an outpatients appointment. After seeing the consultant, she sent me off to have a blood test in the same department. However, the nurse guarding the entrance to the blood test cubicle stood in my way and demanded that I put on a mask. I politely declined, but she point blank refused to let me have the blood test in my unmasked state. "It's the law, luvvie" she said. Which is a lie. Luvvie.
Fortunately, there's another blood test facility (or Phlebotomy as they call it) which you can go to instead, which I did. No mention of masks, very quickly and efficiently done and I was on my way.
For anyone who thinks we're done with Covid, well the NHS doesn't agree (or at least, one department doesn't) and is prepared to refuse treatment to patients unless you comply with their rules about those magical masks. The madness isn't over, folks.
We really do need to stand up to this sort of madness. I went into a clinic a couple of months ago. Person in front of me made a halfhearted plea not to wear a mask and got told he 'had to wear one' so he did. When it was my turn I was brusquely told to put a mask on to which I simply smiled at her, said 'no thank you' and continued looking straight at her. There was a long pause and then 'okay, that's fine' and on we all went with our day.I attended my local hospital for an outpatients appointment. After seeing the consultant, she sent me off to have a blood test in the same department. However, the nurse guarding the entrance to the blood test cubicle stood in my way and demanded that I put on a mask. I politely declined, but she point blank refused to let me have the blood test in my unmasked state. "It's the law, luvvie" she said. Which is a lie. Luvvie.
Fortunately, there's another blood test facility (or Phlebotomy as they call it) which you can go to instead, which I did. No mention of masks, very quickly and efficiently done and I was on my way.
For anyone who thinks we're done with Covid, well the NHS doesn't agree (or at least, one department doesn't) and is prepared to refuse treatment to patients unless you comply with their rules about those magical masks. The madness isn't over, folks.
It's only when enough people stop playing along with this nonsense that they will drop it.
Hants PHer said:
Fortunately, there's another blood test facility (or Phlebotomy as they call it) which you can go to instead, which I did. No mention of masks, very quickly and efficiently done and I was on my way.
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Must have been well worth wasting all that time just to prove a point that nobody else took notice of..
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