CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)
Discussion
Cold said:
Happy Anniversary everyone. Today has been three years since the first lockdown. I'm going to wear a mask and bang some pots and pans together as a celebration.
Data shows the NHS has "treated" 1m patients "for" covid. (Sky News Ticker tape)Sounds a touch on the high side... especially for such a heavily vaccinated population
Cold said:
Happy Anniversary everyone. Today has been three years since the first lockdown. I'm going to wear a mask and bang some pots and pans together as a celebration.
I live in a close of some 20 houses. It was mildly amusing to see them all lining up outside their front doors every Thursday evening at 7pm like good little lemmings with their pots & pans, clapping and cheering for the requisite two minutes, then retreating back indoors for another seven days. No doubt our resident sealion will claim I'm a conspiracy theorist for refusing to participate in state-encouraged activities.
Roderick Spode said:
Cold said:
Happy Anniversary everyone. Today has been three years since the first lockdown. I'm going to wear a mask and bang some pots and pans together as a celebration.
I live in a close of some 20 houses. It was mildly amusing to see them all lining up outside their front doors every Thursday evening at 7pm like good little lemmings with their pots & pans, clapping and cheering for the requisite two minutes, then retreating back indoors for another seven days. 
I’m not so cynical or grumpy about the silly pot bashing. I know for many it really did lift their spirits and help them engage with their local community at a time fear and isolation was in plentiful supply. Certainly I’m aware of very many in my immediate neighbourhood who were sat at home barely engaged with the outer world at all (other than through their tvs and radios) for whom those few minutes at the door brought a sense of camaraderie and cheer.
Happy anniversary all! What a world…
Happy anniversary all! What a world…
Roderick Spode said:
I live in a close of some 20 houses. It was mildly amusing to see them all lining up outside their front doors every Thursday evening at 7pm like good little lemmings with their pots & pans, clapping and cheering for the requisite two minutes, then retreating back indoors for another seven days.
No doubt our resident sealion will claim I'm a conspiracy theorist for refusing to participate in state-encouraged activities.
I only ever went out to our street at the prerequisite time once, by mistake, to put the bins out. Sure I got some disapproving looks for not banging my pans, and it felt rather uncomfortable. I think the whole street were at it, including one neighbour with ribbons doing cartwheels along the street! No doubt our resident sealion will claim I'm a conspiracy theorist for refusing to participate in state-encouraged activities.
Such weird times, first time I've ever witnessed mass psychosis.
Roderick Spode said:
Cold said:
Happy Anniversary everyone. Today has been three years since the first lockdown. I'm going to wear a mask and bang some pots and pans together as a celebration.
I live in a close of some 20 houses. It was mildly amusing to see them all lining up outside their front doors every Thursday evening at 7pm like good little lemmings with their pots & pans, clapping and cheering for the requisite two minutes, then retreating back indoors for another seven days. No doubt our resident sealion will claim I'm a conspiracy theorist for refusing to participate in state-encouraged activities.
https://www.waterstones.com/book/a-state-of-fear/l...
It does seem possible that the enormous and rapid adoption of this idea was part of the Govts ‘nudge’ tactics. It’s a bit like the queue to see the Queens coffin. There was no technical reason why that was necessary, but the performative nature of the activity united the nation around a common cause.
If it was a nudge, it was hugely effective.
JagLover said:
Most likely it was doctors being cautious, he was the PM after all. If you at the stage where Covid is causing breathing difficulties then it is no fun and you are seriously ill, as I should know, but not really at death's door. If it is Joe Bloggs they recover at home if the PM then they might well be in hospital. Just to clarify though that the doctor I spoke to when I was ill thought I should go into hospital with my symptoms to at least have further tests.
I agree.He was the PM, so only the best treatment done quickly. Gets to see the inside of an ICU.
My son had breathing difficulties with Covid, thus panic for him and his mum. Cab to AnE, long wait. X-rayed, told he had scarred lungs and nothing they could do and told to go home.
3 weeks later he was with me, hiking up one of the highest mountains in the Lake District.
Scaremongering b
ks, in the case of the PM.Those pesky conspiracy theorists and their wild swivel eyed opinions. I mean what would he know as a Professor of Oncology.
Conspiracy Theorist loon said:
Dear Kamran Abbasi,
Covid no longer needs a vaccine programme given the average age of death of Covid in the U.K. is 82 and from all other causes is 81 and falling.
The link with clots, myocarditis, heart attacks and strokes is now well accepted, as is the link with myelitis and neuropathy. (We predicted these side effects in our June 2020 QRBD article Sorensen et al. 2020, as the blast analysis revealed 79% homologies to human epitopes, especially PF4 and myelin.)
However, there is now another reason to halt all vaccine programmes. As a practising oncologist I am seeing people with stable disease rapidly progress after being forced to have a booster, usually so they can travel.
Even within my own personal contacts I am seeing B cell-based disease after the boosters. They describe being distinctly unwell a few days to weeks after the booster – one developing leukaemia, two work colleagues Non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, and an old friend who has felt like he has had Long Covid since receiving his booster and who, after getting severe bone pain, has been diagnosed as having multiple metastases from a rare B cell disorder.
I am experienced enough to know that these are not the coincidental anecdotes that many suggest, especially as the same pattern is being seen in Germany, Australia and the USA.
The reports of innate immune suppression after mRNA for several weeks would fit, as all these patients to date have melanoma or B cell based cancers, which are very susceptible to immune control – and that is before the reports of suppressor gene suppression by mRNA in laboratory experiments.
This must be aired and debated immediately.
Angus Dalgleish MD FRACP FRCP FRCPath FMedSci
Covid no longer needs a vaccine programme given the average age of death of Covid in the U.K. is 82 and from all other causes is 81 and falling.
The link with clots, myocarditis, heart attacks and strokes is now well accepted, as is the link with myelitis and neuropathy. (We predicted these side effects in our June 2020 QRBD article Sorensen et al. 2020, as the blast analysis revealed 79% homologies to human epitopes, especially PF4 and myelin.)
However, there is now another reason to halt all vaccine programmes. As a practising oncologist I am seeing people with stable disease rapidly progress after being forced to have a booster, usually so they can travel.
Even within my own personal contacts I am seeing B cell-based disease after the boosters. They describe being distinctly unwell a few days to weeks after the booster – one developing leukaemia, two work colleagues Non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, and an old friend who has felt like he has had Long Covid since receiving his booster and who, after getting severe bone pain, has been diagnosed as having multiple metastases from a rare B cell disorder.
I am experienced enough to know that these are not the coincidental anecdotes that many suggest, especially as the same pattern is being seen in Germany, Australia and the USA.
The reports of innate immune suppression after mRNA for several weeks would fit, as all these patients to date have melanoma or B cell based cancers, which are very susceptible to immune control – and that is before the reports of suppressor gene suppression by mRNA in laboratory experiments.
This must be aired and debated immediately.
Angus Dalgleish MD FRACP FRCP FRCPath FMedSci
J210 said:
What I find shocking is there is a ton of people who don’t believe that the vaccine have caused any side effects and people who have died/been injured are the tin foil nutters.
Wait until they find out about the research in Israel which found that unvaccinated adults having Covid-19 correlated to reduced incidence of myocarditis and pericarditis against the general population: https
ubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov%2F35456309%2F&v=CNics0Q_yyoOne of the studies which says that COVID-19 causes My/Pericarditis is this one: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC81609... And it doesn't give the vaccination status of the subjects.....
But never fear as this study - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC89316... - shows incidence of myo/pericarditis in Israel military recruits after booster (i.e. third in total). They limited it to people showing signs of Myo/pericarditis, in a hospital, within two weeks of injection.... And this study found a lower incidence of myo/pericarditis than another study done after the second injectioin.
SWoll said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Kawasicki said:
I live in Germany. Good lord - the absolute hatred of the anti-vaxxers was palpable. It was honestly like they were sub-human.
I was considering posting a comment... but then I remembered that highlighting potential similarities to some events of the past in this thread are considered controversial and/or unacceptable by some.Not that I'm suggesting for a minute there are any historic similarities to be drawn of course.
Cold said:
Happy Anniversary everyone. Today has been three years since the first lockdown. I'm going to wear a mask and bang some pots and pans together as a celebration.
I wonder how many of the good little sheep would go out on their doorsteps and proudly clap for the same NHS now?A lady a couple of doors along from us works in the dispensing bit of the local GP surgery and printed off a really s
t low-res picture of a George Cross and Blutacked it to her front window and one in the back window of her Nissan Qwishqwash for good measure, which always amused me greatly. That was a complete fking insult though to those brave and selfless individuals through the years who have genuinely done great acts for the good of others, and whose stories never fail to puts things in perspective. I've just listened to Freddie Sayers from Unherd describing a 10,000 people survey they've just conducted about lockdown. Curiously, only 27% said that they thought, in hindsight, that lockdowns were a bad idea. 54% said they were necessary. 
There was more support for lockdowns in rural and affluent areas - which is unsurprising - but no significant distinction between Tory and Labour voters.
For clarity, my opinion is that lockdowns are pointless and deliver far more harm than good. I do not think we should ever repeat them. However, it appears that I'm in a minority according to Unherd's polling.
There was more support for lockdowns in rural and affluent areas - which is unsurprising - but no significant distinction between Tory and Labour voters.
For clarity, my opinion is that lockdowns are pointless and deliver far more harm than good. I do not think we should ever repeat them. However, it appears that I'm in a minority according to Unherd's polling.
Lockdown must have been wonderful for those with money, homes in nice parts of the country, big gardens.
Kept the proles off the village streets for a while.
Meanwhile, those of us in tiny flats, bedsits, studios with no outside space
Thank heavens I had to go to work and commute. I'd have gone bonkers.
My ex wife, stuck indoors with two troublesome teens that both gave up schooling, turned her hobby of drinking into a full-time sport. Now completely feked.
I know many people, including an ex girlfriend (working from home in a tiny studio) and my mother (stuck, terrified in her 14th floor flat) that still have problems going out and doing stuff.
Lockdown was an evil experiment on a very social animal species......Us.
Kept the proles off the village streets for a while.
Meanwhile, those of us in tiny flats, bedsits, studios with no outside space
Thank heavens I had to go to work and commute. I'd have gone bonkers.
My ex wife, stuck indoors with two troublesome teens that both gave up schooling, turned her hobby of drinking into a full-time sport. Now completely feked.
I know many people, including an ex girlfriend (working from home in a tiny studio) and my mother (stuck, terrified in her 14th floor flat) that still have problems going out and doing stuff.
Lockdown was an evil experiment on a very social animal species......Us.
scenario8 said:
I’m not so cynical or grumpy about the silly pot bashing. I know for many it really did lift their spirits and help them engage with their local community at a time fear and isolation was in plentiful supply. Certainly I’m aware of very many in my immediate neighbourhood who were sat at home barely engaged with the outer world at all (other than through their tvs and radios) for whom those few minutes at the door brought a sense of camaraderie and cheer.
While true, one has to wonder if the temporary solace of all that pot bashing actually was a good thing given it very strongly reinforced the overall feeling of doom and gloom......In other news, the Allison Pearson interview with Anders Tegnell was a decent read (Telegraph website). Have to admit I'm particularly impressed that the overriding sense that Tegnell seems to give is one of relief rather than of vindication. Given the level of vitriol spewed at him, to not feel a sense of injustice and want to point out to his many detractors at the time that they were actually rather bloody wrong is remarkable and more than anything else shows that he's a rather better person than pretty much the lot of his detractors.
isaldiri said:
scenario8 said:
I’m not so cynical or grumpy about the silly pot bashing. I know for many it really did lift their spirits and help them engage with their local community at a time fear and isolation was in plentiful supply. Certainly I’m aware of very many in my immediate neighbourhood who were sat at home barely engaged with the outer world at all (other than through their tvs and radios) for whom those few minutes at the door brought a sense of camaraderie and cheer.
While true, one has to wonder if the temporary solace of all that pot bashing actually was a good thing given it very strongly reinforced the overall feeling of doom and gloom......In other news, the Allison Pearson interview with Anders Tegnell was a decent read (Telegraph website). Have to admit I'm particularly impressed that the overriding sense that Tegnell seems to give is one of relief rather than of vindication. Given the level of vitriol spewed at him, to not feel a sense of injustice and want to point out to his many detractors at the time that they were actually rather bloody wrong is remarkable and more than anything else shows that he's a rather better person than pretty much the lot of his detractors.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/23/anders...
GSE said:
I think the whole street were at it, including one neighbour with ribbons doing cartwheels along the street!
Such weird times, first time I've ever witnessed mass psychosis.
Same here, never went out and saw it, but could hear them all out there, clattering their pots and hollering, it was really quite disturbing just how easily lead the majority seemed to be. Such weird times, first time I've ever witnessed mass psychosis.
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