CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)
Discussion
croyde said:
Lockdown must have been wonderful for those with money, homes in nice parts of the country, big gardens.
Kept the proles off the village streets for a while.
Meanwhile, those of us in tiny flats, bedsits, studios with no outside space
Thank heavens I had to go to work and commute. I'd have gone bonkers.
My ex wife, stuck indoors with two troublesome teens that both gave up schooling, turned her hobby of drinking into a full-time sport. Now completely feked.
I know many people, including an ex girlfriend (working from home in a tiny studio) and my mother (stuck, terrified in her 14th floor flat) that still have problems going out and doing stuff.
Lockdown was an evil experiment on a very social animal species......Us.
Nailed it Kept the proles off the village streets for a while.
Meanwhile, those of us in tiny flats, bedsits, studios with no outside space
Thank heavens I had to go to work and commute. I'd have gone bonkers.
My ex wife, stuck indoors with two troublesome teens that both gave up schooling, turned her hobby of drinking into a full-time sport. Now completely feked.
I know many people, including an ex girlfriend (working from home in a tiny studio) and my mother (stuck, terrified in her 14th floor flat) that still have problems going out and doing stuff.
Lockdown was an evil experiment on a very social animal species......Us.
Elysium said:
There is some interesting stuff in Laura Dodsworth’s book A State of Fear on the ‘clap for carers’ stuff.
https://www.waterstones.com/book/a-state-of-fear/l...
It does seem possible that the enormous and rapid adoption of this idea was part of the Govts ‘nudge’ tactics. It’s a bit like the queue to see the Queens coffin. There was no technical reason why that was necessary, but the performative nature of the activity united the nation around a common cause.
If it was a nudge, it was hugely effective.
I havent read her book yet. I thought the claps for carers was copied from Lombardy when everyone there was in lockdown early on, when they really were fhttps://www.waterstones.com/book/a-state-of-fear/l...
It does seem possible that the enormous and rapid adoption of this idea was part of the Govts ‘nudge’ tactics. It’s a bit like the queue to see the Queens coffin. There was no technical reason why that was necessary, but the performative nature of the activity united the nation around a common cause.
If it was a nudge, it was hugely effective.
ked with hospitals overflowing with elderly patients. Although didnt the Italians have a bit more style and moved on to doing inpromptu music concerts on their balconies?B'stard Child said:
Roderick Spode said:
Cold said:
Happy Anniversary everyone. Today has been three years since the first lockdown. I'm going to wear a mask and bang some pots and pans together as a celebration.
I live in a close of some 20 houses. It was mildly amusing to see them all lining up outside their front doors every Thursday evening at 7pm like good little lemmings with their pots & pans, clapping and cheering for the requisite two minutes, then retreating back indoors for another seven days. 
Roderick Spode said:
Cold said:
Happy Anniversary everyone. Today has been three years since the first lockdown. I'm going to wear a mask and bang some pots and pans together as a celebration.
I live in a close of some 20 houses. It was mildly amusing to see them all lining up outside their front doors every Thursday evening at 7pm like good little lemmings with their pots & pans, clapping and cheering for the requisite two minutes, then retreating back indoors for another seven days. No doubt our resident sealion will claim I'm a conspiracy theorist for refusing to participate in state-encouraged activities.
I only participated in the first couple - no pots or pans just clapped out the living room window.
M1AGM said:
Elysium said:
There is some interesting stuff in Laura Dodsworth’s book A State of Fear on the ‘clap for carers’ stuff.
https://www.waterstones.com/book/a-state-of-fear/l...
It does seem possible that the enormous and rapid adoption of this idea was part of the Govts ‘nudge’ tactics. It’s a bit like the queue to see the Queens coffin. There was no technical reason why that was necessary, but the performative nature of the activity united the nation around a common cause.
If it was a nudge, it was hugely effective.
I havent read her book yet. I thought the claps for carers was copied from Lombardy when everyone there was in lockdown early on, when they really were fhttps://www.waterstones.com/book/a-state-of-fear/l...
It does seem possible that the enormous and rapid adoption of this idea was part of the Govts ‘nudge’ tactics. It’s a bit like the queue to see the Queens coffin. There was no technical reason why that was necessary, but the performative nature of the activity united the nation around a common cause.
If it was a nudge, it was hugely effective.
ked with hospitals overflowing with elderly patients. Although didnt the Italians have a bit more style and moved on to doing inpromptu music concerts on their balconies?The movement itself seems to be spontaneous, but the odd thing is how quickly it was picked up and endorsed by some really high profile people. That suggests some degree of orchestration and promotion.
RSTurboPaul said:
isaldiri said:
scenario8 said:
I’m not so cynical or grumpy about the silly pot bashing. I know for many it really did lift their spirits and help them engage with their local community at a time fear and isolation was in plentiful supply. Certainly I’m aware of very many in my immediate neighbourhood who were sat at home barely engaged with the outer world at all (other than through their tvs and radios) for whom those few minutes at the door brought a sense of camaraderie and cheer.
While true, one has to wonder if the temporary solace of all that pot bashing actually was a good thing given it very strongly reinforced the overall feeling of doom and gloom......In other news, the Allison Pearson interview with Anders Tegnell was a decent read (Telegraph website). Have to admit I'm particularly impressed that the overriding sense that Tegnell seems to give is one of relief rather than of vindication. Given the level of vitriol spewed at him, to not feel a sense of injustice and want to point out to his many detractors at the time that they were actually rather bloody wrong is remarkable and more than anything else shows that he's a rather better person than pretty much the lot of his detractors.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/23/anders...
https://www.thelocal.se/20210204/sweden-to-introdu...
I would have been interested to see his take on them, given their otherwise 'free society' approach to a pandemic response and the (prior? new?) news that they are pointless when the injections in question do not stop transmission.
Then there is the fact that some Swedes seem to want to get microchipped like they are someone's pet...
https://www.spectator.com.au/2021/12/sweden-puts-v...
RSTurboPaul said:
RSTurboPaul said:
isaldiri said:
scenario8 said:
I’m not so cynical or grumpy about the silly pot bashing. I know for many it really did lift their spirits and help them engage with their local community at a time fear and isolation was in plentiful supply. Certainly I’m aware of very many in my immediate neighbourhood who were sat at home barely engaged with the outer world at all (other than through their tvs and radios) for whom those few minutes at the door brought a sense of camaraderie and cheer.
While true, one has to wonder if the temporary solace of all that pot bashing actually was a good thing given it very strongly reinforced the overall feeling of doom and gloom......In other news, the Allison Pearson interview with Anders Tegnell was a decent read (Telegraph website). Have to admit I'm particularly impressed that the overriding sense that Tegnell seems to give is one of relief rather than of vindication. Given the level of vitriol spewed at him, to not feel a sense of injustice and want to point out to his many detractors at the time that they were actually rather bloody wrong is remarkable and more than anything else shows that he's a rather better person than pretty much the lot of his detractors.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/23/anders...
https://www.thelocal.se/20210204/sweden-to-introdu...
I would have been interested to see his take on them, given their otherwise 'free society' approach to a pandemic response and the (prior? new?) news that they are pointless when the injections in question do not stop transmission.
Then there is the fact that some Swedes seem to want to get microchipped like they are someone's pet...
https://www.spectator.com.au/2021/12/sweden-puts-v...
Grumps. said:
RSTurboPaul said:
RSTurboPaul said:
isaldiri said:
scenario8 said:
I’m not so cynical or grumpy about the silly pot bashing. I know for many it really did lift their spirits and help them engage with their local community at a time fear and isolation was in plentiful supply. Certainly I’m aware of very many in my immediate neighbourhood who were sat at home barely engaged with the outer world at all (other than through their tvs and radios) for whom those few minutes at the door brought a sense of camaraderie and cheer.
While true, one has to wonder if the temporary solace of all that pot bashing actually was a good thing given it very strongly reinforced the overall feeling of doom and gloom......In other news, the Allison Pearson interview with Anders Tegnell was a decent read (Telegraph website). Have to admit I'm particularly impressed that the overriding sense that Tegnell seems to give is one of relief rather than of vindication. Given the level of vitriol spewed at him, to not feel a sense of injustice and want to point out to his many detractors at the time that they were actually rather bloody wrong is remarkable and more than anything else shows that he's a rather better person than pretty much the lot of his detractors.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/23/anders...
https://www.thelocal.se/20210204/sweden-to-introdu...
I would have been interested to see his take on them, given their otherwise 'free society' approach to a pandemic response and the (prior? new?) news that they are pointless when the injections in question do not stop transmission.
Then there is the fact that some Swedes seem to want to get microchipped like they are someone's pet...
https://www.spectator.com.au/2021/12/sweden-puts-v...
Are you a conspiracy theorist?
Unfortunately injection passports were introduced.
https://www.euronews.com/2022/01/22/covid-19-vacci...
Euronews said:
In Sweden, where vaccine certificates are required to attend indoor events with more than 50 people, some 3,000 demonstrators marched though central Stockholm and assembled in a main square for a protest organized by the Frihetsrorelsen - or Freedom Movement.
Swedish media reported that representatives from the neo-Nazi Nordic Resistance Movement attended the action with a banner. Police closely monitor the group, which has been associated with violent behavior at demonstrations.
Swedish security police had warned that right-wing extremists might take part in Saturday's protest. No major incidents or clashes were reported by late afternoon.
A similar demonstration with some 1,000 participants was held also in Goteborg, Sweden’s second-largest city.
And microchip recipients were reported.Swedish media reported that representatives from the neo-Nazi Nordic Resistance Movement attended the action with a banner. Police closely monitor the group, which has been associated with violent behavior at demonstrations.
Swedish security police had warned that right-wing extremists might take part in Saturday's protest. No major incidents or clashes were reported by late afternoon.
A similar demonstration with some 1,000 participants was held also in Goteborg, Sweden’s second-largest city.
https://www.yenisafak.com/en/world/facing-covid-pa...
website said:
Citing a resident, Hannes Sjoblad, the daily reported that he had a microchip with his vaccination passport inserted to his left hand.
Sjoblad noted that all his information about COVID-19 is reflected on his mobile phone when he takes his mobile phone in his left hand, adding that this is a new trend that has become popular among Swedes.
Another resident, Olle Helkimo, said he also had a chip inserted in his left hand, making him feel healthier.
According to digital cultures researcher Moa Petersen, around 6,000 people in Sweden have so far had a chip inserted in their hands.
Sjoblad noted that all his information about COVID-19 is reflected on his mobile phone when he takes his mobile phone in his left hand, adding that this is a new trend that has become popular among Swedes.
Another resident, Olle Helkimo, said he also had a chip inserted in his left hand, making him feel healthier.
According to digital cultures researcher Moa Petersen, around 6,000 people in Sweden have so far had a chip inserted in their hands.
Edited by RSTurboPaul on Thursday 23 March 15:56
An interesting Tweet.
https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1638286683...
https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1638286683...
Tweet said:
In EcoHealth Alliance's research grant from the NIH which spanned 2014-2019, they report the following in their progress report:
"In collaboration with Ralph Baric (UNC), we used the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system to generate a chimeric virus with a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone expressing SHC014 S protein with 10% sequence divergence from SARS-CoV S. This chimera replicated in primary human airway epithelium, using the human ACE2 receptor to enter into cells."
Source: https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21055989/un...
"In collaboration with Ralph Baric (UNC), we used the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system to generate a chimeric virus with a mouse-adapted SARS-CoV backbone expressing SHC014 S protein with 10% sequence divergence from SARS-CoV S. This chimera replicated in primary human airway epithelium, using the human ACE2 receptor to enter into cells."
Source: https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21055989/un...
Oh look the government has extended the Coronavirus act for another 6 months in Northern Ireland, Will be all of UK soon I bet
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/nisr/2023/50/articl...
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/nisr/2023/50/articl...
SWoll said:
To add further balance to your other comment I would point out that Biker1's posting is on a fairly varied mix of threads, whereas RR seems to focus almost solely on calling people conspiracy theorists (75% of his post count in the last 30 days).
Yep - I've been trying to figure out a Honda CB600F electronic problem with some very good advice over at Biker Banter!SWoll said:
Seventy said:
A mirror may come in handy!
Biker1 64 posts per month
Roman Rhodes 59ppm
Just for balance, you understand.
In other news I’ve booked to go to the US in July. Hopefully restrictions are over by then.
Who knows, it's made no sense for them to extend it thus far so will all depend on what they consider to be politically expedient rather than logical.Biker1 64 posts per month
Roman Rhodes 59ppm
Just for balance, you understand.
In other news I’ve booked to go to the US in July. Hopefully restrictions are over by then.
To add further balance to your other comment I would point out that Biker1's posting is on a fairly varied mix of threads, whereas RR seems to focus almost solely on calling people conspiracy theorists (75% of his post count in the last 30 days).
hy 11 year old girls actually results in boring reading - hence I’ve ignored this thread for many volumes.Biker1’s claim regarding time online is hilariously inaccurate as a quick glance at the posting history of many on this thread shows.
As you were…
J210 said:
Oh look the government has extended the Coronavirus act for another 6 months in Northern Ireland, Will be all of UK soon I bet
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/nisr/2023/50/articl...
Goodhttps://www.legislation.gov.uk/nisr/2023/50/articl...
Narcisus said:
J210 said:
Oh look the government has extended the Coronavirus act for another 6 months in Northern Ireland, Will be all of UK soon I bet
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/nisr/2023/50/articl...
Goodhttps://www.legislation.gov.uk/nisr/2023/50/articl...
croyde said:
Makes me so angry.
Non of the press asked at the time:
Hang on! our leaders are partying, why aren't they scared of Covid?
It's a good job we have a free press isn't it - I mean advertising revenue during covid wasn't mainly from the Government coffers was it???Non of the press asked at the time:
Hang on! our leaders are partying, why aren't they scared of Covid?
So the Free Press could
1. report things in the public interest
2. to challenge the Government Narrative or at least cross examine it
Oh wait.......................
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