CV19 - Cure Worse Than The Disease? (Vol 18)
Discussion
Seventy said:
His inference was that Gates had inside knowledge. Plain to see.
The Gates foundation has been investing in vaccines for years, including mRNA.
And what do you think Gates does with that money?
Tbf it is impeccable timing, as was the interview Gates did about his thoughts on how we would deal with the ‘next’ pandemic using vaccines in late 2019. You should look it up if you haven’t seen it, it’s prophetic.The Gates foundation has been investing in vaccines for years, including mRNA.
And what do you think Gates does with that money?
One has to put it down to coincidence because there is nothing else, but quite remarkable how a techno geek can become such a wizard at timing the markets when most if not all professionals struggle to do so.
RSTurboPaul said:
J210 said:
Where do we file this. Gates calling for countries to hand over heath authority to the WHO.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/19/opinion/bill-ga...
I guess it's lucky he is a major funder in the WHO.
Guess thats a nothing conspiracy about the WHO and there pandemic treaty coming true.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/19/opinion/bill-ga...
I guess it's lucky he is a major funder in the WHO.
Guess thats a nothing conspiracy about the WHO and there pandemic treaty coming true.
Article said:
One of the most important jobs of the corps will be to ??take quick action to stop the spread of a pathogen. The speed of action requires countries to have large-scale testing capabilities that identify potential threats early. Environmental surveillance like sewage testing is key, since many pathogens show up in human waste. If a sewage sample comes back positive, a rapid response team would deploy to the affected area to find people who might be infected, carry out a response plan?? and kick off the necessary community education about what to look for and how to stay protected.
That sounds a lot like China's efforts in terms of massive, continuous testing and targeting neighbourhoods (or workplaces or train stations or...) where a positive test result comes up - one might wonder if Mr Gates is omitting the details of where they might forcibly imprison the residents of the area in question with zero notice as part of the 'carry out a response plan' phase.Article said:
We can’t afford to get caught flat-footed again. The world must take action now to make sure Covid-19 becomes the last pandemic, and one of the biggest moves we can make is to support the world’s principal health experts — the W.H.O. — and invest in the Global Health Emergency Corps so it can live up to its full potential.
??This will require two things: First, public health leaders from all countries need to participate. The next ?pandemic could emerge anywhere, and so the Emergency Corps must have expertise from every corner of the globe, including from national disease and research agencies like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Institutes of Health in the United States. Second, we need wealthier countries to step up and provide funding to make this a reality.
Ignoring the astounding arrogance demonstrated where he thinks Man can control nature, it's a good job the CDC and NIH have been paragons of transparency and truth and unwavering in their commitment to scientific principles during the response to Covid-19, as otherwise one might think they were likely to obfuscate, lie and actively suppress scientific discussion in order to further their own agenda.??This will require two things: First, public health leaders from all countries need to participate. The next ?pandemic could emerge anywhere, and so the Emergency Corps must have expertise from every corner of the globe, including from national disease and research agencies like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Institutes of Health in the United States. Second, we need wealthier countries to step up and provide funding to make this a reality.
Edited by RSTurboPaul on Friday 24th March 12:39
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/25/bill-gates-no-coun...
CNBC Article said:
“In the future, countries need to have dedicated personnel, and they need to practice how they connect up with the PCR diagnostic industry,” Gates said on Monday.
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Some Covid responses have been better than others, Gates argued. He cited Australia “and about 7 other countries,” which he did not publicly name, noting that Australia’s rate of Covid deaths per capita is still among the lowest in the world. It’s currently just 21% of the U.S.’s coronavirus death rate, according to Johns Hopkins University’s data.
The countries that drew Gates’s praise “did population-scale diagnostics early on, and had quarantine policies associated with that [which] kept the level of infection low,” he explained. Gates also applauded Australia’s pandemic response last year, noting that the country quickly closed its international borders in March 2020.
That appears to say that Mr Gates supports involuntary mass testing and related enforced quarantine and restrictions on travel, going from the Australian response to the pandemic....
Some Covid responses have been better than others, Gates argued. He cited Australia “and about 7 other countries,” which he did not publicly name, noting that Australia’s rate of Covid deaths per capita is still among the lowest in the world. It’s currently just 21% of the U.S.’s coronavirus death rate, according to Johns Hopkins University’s data.
The countries that drew Gates’s praise “did population-scale diagnostics early on, and had quarantine policies associated with that [which] kept the level of infection low,” he explained. Gates also applauded Australia’s pandemic response last year, noting that the country quickly closed its international borders in March 2020.
EDIT:
Some interesting additional details in the talk itself:
https://www.lowyinstitute.org/event/preparing-glob...
From 3m34s:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=038__DssSv0&t=...
Mr Gates says that you can cut the death rate by 70% if you get injections to the over 60s and the those with immune system deficiencies.
He also seems to be saying that injections *and* other treatments *and* the change in mortality due to variant changes all contribute to reduced death rates.
Both of these statements would seem a shift from the 'inject everything that moves, repeatedly' position that seems to have been the case previously.
Edited by RSTurboPaul on Friday 24th March 17:39
Grumps. said:
RSTurboPaul said:
Mr Gates says that you can cut the death rate by 70% if you get injections to the over 60s and the those with immune system deficiencies.
Can’t see a problem with that personally.Edited by RSTurboPaul on Friday 24th March 17:39
The point is that unfortunately that approach has not been seen in most countries across the world for the past two years, and is still not being seen in the US, and Mr Gates was supportive of the previous 'inject everything, repeatedly' position (which may or may not have been informed by his investment choices).
WHO expects to declare end to pandemic sometime in 2023 as virus becomes more like seasonal flu
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/who-expects-to-d...
Some interesting comments from a Dr Fauci further down that article which may not be entirely correct re: injected vs non-injected deaths?
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/who-expects-to-d...
Some interesting comments from a Dr Fauci further down that article which may not be entirely correct re: injected vs non-injected deaths?
China grants emergency use for first homegrown mRNA Covid vaccine
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/china-grants-eme...
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/china-grants-eme...
Pfizer gets FDA nod for bivalent Covid jab in infants
https://www.zacks.com/stock/news/2066329/pfizer-pf...
While research papers (as highlighted by Dr John Campbell) are indicating the presence of mRNA in the body 12 months after injection?
I'm not really sure what to say.
https://www.zacks.com/stock/news/2066329/pfizer-pf...
Article said:
Pfizer and partner BioNTech announced that the FDA broadened the label of their authorized Omicron BA.4/BA.5-adapted bivalent COVID-19 vaccine for use as a single booster dose in children aged six months through four years.
The bivalent vaccine can now be administered to individuals under five years after at least two months of completion of primary vaccination with three doses of the original Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine.
We note that the bivalent vaccine is already authorized for use in this age group as part of the primary series. Last December, the FDA revised the emergency use authorization (EUA) granted to Pfizer-BioNTech COVID vaccines wherein children under five years would receive a primary two-dose regimen consisting of two 3-µg doses of the original Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine followed by a third 3-µg dose of the bivalent COVID-19 vaccine. Prior to this revision, the children in this age group were being administered all three doses of the original Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine.
The latest label expansion by the FDA will allow children under five years who had received all three doses of the original Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine to update their protection by receiving the bivalent vaccine as a single booster dose.
So under-5s, at effectively zero-risk from Covid, could have a fourth injection of mRNA, only two months after a third injection?The bivalent vaccine can now be administered to individuals under five years after at least two months of completion of primary vaccination with three doses of the original Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine.
We note that the bivalent vaccine is already authorized for use in this age group as part of the primary series. Last December, the FDA revised the emergency use authorization (EUA) granted to Pfizer-BioNTech COVID vaccines wherein children under five years would receive a primary two-dose regimen consisting of two 3-µg doses of the original Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine followed by a third 3-µg dose of the bivalent COVID-19 vaccine. Prior to this revision, the children in this age group were being administered all three doses of the original Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine.
The latest label expansion by the FDA will allow children under five years who had received all three doses of the original Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine to update their protection by receiving the bivalent vaccine as a single booster dose.
While research papers (as highlighted by Dr John Campbell) are indicating the presence of mRNA in the body 12 months after injection?
I'm not really sure what to say.
M1AGM said:
Seventy said:
His inference was that Gates had inside knowledge. Plain to see.
The Gates foundation has been investing in vaccines for years, including mRNA.
And what do you think Gates does with that money?
Tbf it is impeccable timing, as was the interview Gates did about his thoughts on how we would deal with the ‘next’ pandemic using vaccines in late 2019. You should look it up if you haven’t seen it, it’s prophetic.The Gates foundation has been investing in vaccines for years, including mRNA.
And what do you think Gates does with that money?
One has to put it down to coincidence because there is nothing else, but quite remarkable how a techno geek can become such a wizard at timing the markets when most if not all professionals struggle to do so.
WRT to Gates' timings of investments in injection technologies (said to be $55m) and their associated returns (said to be over $550m), it is claimed that...:
- he bought BioNTech shares in September 2019 (which some have posited is the actual point in time when a Covid-19 lab leak took place in Wuhan),
- sold said BioNTech shares at the end of 2022,
- then went on in January 2023 (at 54m 30s in the talk/interview referenced in the previous post) to 'trash talk' the mRNA injections.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=038__DssSv0&t=...
https://www.lowyinstitute.org/event/preparing-glob...
https://www.biznews.com/health/2023/01/30/bill-gat...
article comment said:
In September 2019, Gates invested $55 million in BioNTech, the German biotech which developed the mRNA vaccine for Pfizer, which is now more than $550 million.
In October 2019, Gates co-sponsored Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise which involved conducting a simulation which “predicted” a global coronavirus pandemic.
At the end of 2022, Gates sold some BioNTech stock, having made exorbitant gains.
Finally, on 23 January [2023], Gates did a 180-degree turn when he publicly besmirched the mRNA vaccines that only two years before he had described as magic.
In October 2019, Gates co-sponsored Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise which involved conducting a simulation which “predicted” a global coronavirus pandemic.
At the end of 2022, Gates sold some BioNTech stock, having made exorbitant gains.
Finally, on 23 January [2023], Gates did a 180-degree turn when he publicly besmirched the mRNA vaccines that only two years before he had described as magic.
Article quoting Gates said:
Speaking at Australia’s Lowy Institute as part of a talk entitled “Preparing for Global Challenges: In Conversation with Bill Gates,” the Microsoft founder made the following admission:
“We also need to fix the three problems of [COVID-19] vaccines. The current vaccines are not infection-blocking. They’re not broad, so when new variants come up you lose protection, and they have very short duration, particularly in the people who matter, which are old people.”
Such statements came as a surprise to some in light of Gates’ longstanding support of — and investments in — vaccine manufacturers and organisations promoting global vaccination. However, they were the latest in a string of developments in recent weeks that have increasingly called the COVID-19 vaccines, in particular, into question.
.“We also need to fix the three problems of [COVID-19] vaccines. The current vaccines are not infection-blocking. They’re not broad, so when new variants come up you lose protection, and they have very short duration, particularly in the people who matter, which are old people.”
Such statements came as a surprise to some in light of Gates’ longstanding support of — and investments in — vaccine manufacturers and organisations promoting global vaccination. However, they were the latest in a string of developments in recent weeks that have increasingly called the COVID-19 vaccines, in particular, into question.
One might wonder if such comments would have been made while such investments were still being held.
EDIT: Some interesting comments made by Mr Gates at 54m18s in the video regarding forthcoming 'blocking' treatments that are inhaled.
Edited by RSTurboPaul on Friday 24th March 18:36
RSTurboPaul said:
Pfizer gets FDA nod for bivalent Covid jab in infants
https://www.zacks.com/stock/news/2066329/pfizer-pf...
While research papers (as highlighted by Dr John Campbell) are indicating the presence of mRNA in the body 12 months after injection?
I'm not really sure what to say.
No need really. It’s as obvious as the nose on your face.https://www.zacks.com/stock/news/2066329/pfizer-pf...
Article said:
Pfizer and partner BioNTech announced that the FDA broadened the label of their authorized Omicron BA.4/BA.5-adapted bivalent COVID-19 vaccine for use as a single booster dose in children aged six months through four years.
The bivalent vaccine can now be administered to individuals under five years after at least two months of completion of primary vaccination with three doses of the original Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine.
We note that the bivalent vaccine is already authorized for use in this age group as part of the primary series. Last December, the FDA revised the emergency use authorization (EUA) granted to Pfizer-BioNTech COVID vaccines wherein children under five years would receive a primary two-dose regimen consisting of two 3-µg doses of the original Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine followed by a third 3-µg dose of the bivalent COVID-19 vaccine. Prior to this revision, the children in this age group were being administered all three doses of the original Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine.
The latest label expansion by the FDA will allow children under five years who had received all three doses of the original Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine to update their protection by receiving the bivalent vaccine as a single booster dose.
So under-5s, at effectively zero-risk from Covid, could have a fourth injection of mRNA, only two months after a third injection?The bivalent vaccine can now be administered to individuals under five years after at least two months of completion of primary vaccination with three doses of the original Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine.
We note that the bivalent vaccine is already authorized for use in this age group as part of the primary series. Last December, the FDA revised the emergency use authorization (EUA) granted to Pfizer-BioNTech COVID vaccines wherein children under five years would receive a primary two-dose regimen consisting of two 3-µg doses of the original Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine followed by a third 3-µg dose of the bivalent COVID-19 vaccine. Prior to this revision, the children in this age group were being administered all three doses of the original Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine.
The latest label expansion by the FDA will allow children under five years who had received all three doses of the original Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine to update their protection by receiving the bivalent vaccine as a single booster dose.
While research papers (as highlighted by Dr John Campbell) are indicating the presence of mRNA in the body 12 months after injection?
I'm not really sure what to say.
Amazing what the medical profession and the health department have become.
Presiding over a massive increase in obesity,cvd and type 2 diabetes - no attempt at curing/preventing these diseases - just prescribe drugs that keep the patient at a sub optimal level of “health”
And then vaccinating babies - doctors should really take a look at where things are going.
RSTurboPaul said:
That sounds a lot like China's efforts in terms of massive, continuous testing and targeting neighbourhoods (or workplaces or train stations or...) where a positive test result comes up...
The WHO came out last week (16 March ) for mass testing.Edited by RSTurboPaul on Friday 24th March 12:39
And I'm sure they came out yesterday with "mass testing for future outbreaks instead of lockdowns" but I can't find that speech. Sounds like a WHO / WEF utopia of mass surveillance - guess you could link it to digital ID and scan in everywhere to prove you have had a negative test that morning??
https://www.who.int/director-general/speeches/deta...
Tedros said:
In the past week, we have seen a rapid escalation of cases of COVID-19.
More cases and deaths have now been reported in the rest of the world than in China.
We have also seen a rapid escalation in social distancing measures, like closing schools and cancelling sporting events and other gatherings.
But we have not seen an urgent enough escalation in testing, isolation and contact tracing – which is the backbone of the response.
Social distancing measures can help to reduce transmission and enable health systems to cope.
Handwashing and coughing into your elbow can reduce the risk for yourself and others.
But on their own, they are not enough to extinguish this pandemic. It’s the combination that makes the difference.
As I keep saying, all countries must take a comprehensive approach.
But the most effective way to prevent infections and save lives is breaking the chains of transmission. And to do that, you must test and isolate.
You cannot fight a fire blindfolded. And we cannot stop this pandemic if we don’t know who is infected.
We have a simple message for all countries: test, test, test.
Test every suspected case.
More cases and deaths have now been reported in the rest of the world than in China.
We have also seen a rapid escalation in social distancing measures, like closing schools and cancelling sporting events and other gatherings.
But we have not seen an urgent enough escalation in testing, isolation and contact tracing – which is the backbone of the response.
Social distancing measures can help to reduce transmission and enable health systems to cope.
Handwashing and coughing into your elbow can reduce the risk for yourself and others.
But on their own, they are not enough to extinguish this pandemic. It’s the combination that makes the difference.
As I keep saying, all countries must take a comprehensive approach.
But the most effective way to prevent infections and save lives is breaking the chains of transmission. And to do that, you must test and isolate.
You cannot fight a fire blindfolded. And we cannot stop this pandemic if we don’t know who is infected.
We have a simple message for all countries: test, test, test.
Test every suspected case.
Edited by johnboy1975 on Friday 24th March 18:43
LeighW said:
Seventy said:
And what do you think Gates does with that money?
I don't know the chap, so I couldn't possibly say. Do tell.I thought ‘do your own research’ was the catchphrase here?
PurplePangolin said:
Presiding over a massive increase in obesity,cvd and type 2 diabetes - no attempt at curing/preventing these diseases - just prescribe drugs that keep the patient at a sub optimal level of “health”
Obesity is not a disease. It is people eating too much. Which is their right in a free country. Not an optimal lifestyle but their choice.Johnboy1975 said:
RSTurboPaul said:
That sounds a lot like China's efforts in terms of massive, continuous testing and targeting neighbourhoods (or workplaces or train stations or...) where a positive test result comes up...
Edited by RSTurboPaul on Friday 24th March 12:39
The WHO came out last week (16 March ) for mass testing.Edited by RSTurboPaul on Friday 24th March 12:39
And I'm sure they came out with "mass testing for future outbreaks instead of lockdowns" but I can't find that speech
https://www.who.int/director-general/speeches/deta...
Tedros said:
In the past week, we have seen a rapid escalation of cases of COVID-19.
More cases and deaths have now been reported in the rest of the world than in China.
We have also seen a rapid escalation in social distancing measures, like closing schools and cancelling sporting events and other gatherings.
But we have not seen an urgent enough escalation in testing, isolation and contact tracing – which is the backbone of the response.
Social distancing measures can help to reduce transmission and enable health systems to cope.
Handwashing and coughing into your elbow can reduce the risk for yourself and others.
But on their own, they are not enough to extinguish this pandemic. It’s the combination that makes the difference.
As I keep saying, all countries must take a comprehensive approach.
But the most effective way to prevent infections and save lives is breaking the chains of transmission. And to do that, you must test and isolate.
You cannot fight a fire blindfolded. And we cannot stop this pandemic if we don’t know who is infected.
We have a simple message for all countries: test, test, test.
Test every suspected case.
More cases and deaths have now been reported in the rest of the world than in China.
We have also seen a rapid escalation in social distancing measures, like closing schools and cancelling sporting events and other gatherings.
But we have not seen an urgent enough escalation in testing, isolation and contact tracing – which is the backbone of the response.
Social distancing measures can help to reduce transmission and enable health systems to cope.
Handwashing and coughing into your elbow can reduce the risk for yourself and others.
But on their own, they are not enough to extinguish this pandemic. It’s the combination that makes the difference.
As I keep saying, all countries must take a comprehensive approach.
But the most effective way to prevent infections and save lives is breaking the chains of transmission. And to do that, you must test and isolate.
You cannot fight a fire blindfolded. And we cannot stop this pandemic if we don’t know who is infected.
We have a simple message for all countries: test, test, test.
Test every suspected case.
I would hope that there would be a stronger level of pushback at the population level after seeing the outcomes of recent years and (it seems) more people being 'awake' to apparently underlying 'narratives', but then if the survey posted here in recent days showing 54% thought the pandemic response was good (or should have been stricter? I can't remember) is accurate and not a carefully-skewed result, it does not inspire confidence that 'the flithy unclean' (i.e. infected and/or not injected) won't suffer discrimination at an equivalent or worse level than experienced previously here and elsewhere (e.g. Austria and, as commented, Germany).
J210 said:
Oh look the government has extended the Coronavirus act for another 6 months in Northern Ireland, Will be all of UK soon I bet
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/nisr/2023/50/articl...
As ever, Nicola Sturgeon went for something more severe and permanent. Have a look at this draconian nonsense https://www.legislation.gov.uk/nisr/2023/50/articl...
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2022/8/contents
E.g. The permanent provision to close schools https://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2022/8/section/...
irc said:
PurplePangolin said:
Presiding over a massive increase in obesity,cvd and type 2 diabetes - no attempt at curing/preventing these diseases - just prescribe drugs that keep the patient at a sub optimal level of “health”
Obesity is not a disease. It is people eating too much. Which is their right in a free country. Not an optimal lifestyle but their choice.Mayo Clinic said:
Obesity is a complex disease involving an excessive amount of body fat. Obesity isn't just a cosmetic concern. It's a medical problem that increases the risk of other diseases and health problems, such as heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure and certain cancers.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/obe...M1AGM said:
Tbf it is impeccable timing, as was the interview Gates did about his thoughts on how we would deal with the ‘next’ pandemic using vaccines in late 2019. You should look it up if you haven’t seen it, it’s prophetic.
One has to put it down to coincidence because there is nothing else, but quite remarkable how a techno geek can become such a wizard at timing the markets when most if not all professionals struggle to do so.
Was it just after the big exercise in pandemic planning around that time? One has to put it down to coincidence because there is nothing else, but quite remarkable how a techno geek can become such a wizard at timing the markets when most if not all professionals struggle to do so.
Seventy said:
LeighW said:
Seventy said:
And what do you think Gates does with that money?
I don't know the chap, so I couldn't possibly say. Do tell.I thought ‘do your own research’ was the catchphrase here?
RSTurboPaul said:
China grants emergency use for first homegrown mRNA Covid vaccine
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/china-grants-eme...
Such a coincidence they come up with such a descovery all by themselves at the same time. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/china-grants-eme...
On a series note mRNA might be a massive breakthrough. It also might be one of the biggest mistakes ever made.
All I know is that It's probably not the best idea to try it out on basically experiment treatment on 90% on the public in one go. They basically turned it into something less controlled than a drug you can buy in Tesco.
pneumothorax said:
Yep, she nails it there. I was looking at my records from this time 3 years ago and it's disturbing. They caused panic, and it was absolutely disastrous for anyone either with Covid or il for any reason without it.
Probably 3 years to this day, I visited a nursing home where a family's mother was dying, cancer as I recall, and I found them in the car park, had been told they couldn't come in. there was probably 10 of them. Luckily she was on the ground floor but they had to watch me helping her on her way through the window. Strange times.
The level of obedience with this nonsense was/is alarming.
Just wanted to acknowledge this post.Probably 3 years to this day, I visited a nursing home where a family's mother was dying, cancer as I recall, and I found them in the car park, had been told they couldn't come in. there was probably 10 of them. Luckily she was on the ground floor but they had to watch me helping her on her way through the window. Strange times.
The level of obedience with this nonsense was/is alarming.
SWoll said:
Seventy said:
LeighW said:
Seventy said:
And what do you think Gates does with that money?
I don't know the chap, so I couldn't possibly say. Do tell.I thought ‘do your own research’ was the catchphrase here?
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